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A Famous YouTuber Bought One Of Those EV Amazon Delivery Vans For $10K And Honestly It Terrifies Me About The Future

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Do you like horror movies? I feel like most new movies that are coming out are almost all horror movies. But here’s the thing: a horror movie doesn’t have to deal with traditional themes to be terrifying, like re-animated corpses or people on all-sanguineous diets or monkey’s paw-related wish-grantery. Sometimes the horror is less imaginative and just, you know, crappier. Like the grim yet ever-present specter of a future where no one can fix and drive a used car.

This horrific idea was driven home for me when I watched a series – I think still ongoing – of videos from bigshot YouTuber (a title which, I just learned today, has nothing to do with other types of tubers, like yams or cassavas) Rich Rebuilds, who just spent $10,000 to buy one of those Rivian-built Amazon delivery vans.

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Now, the van Rich bought may not actually have been part of Amazon’s fleet; in fact, I don’t think it was, because it doesn’t have Amazon livery on the outside and the center of the steering wheel reads “RIVIAN” instead of “AMAZON” like the ones delivered to Amazon seem to have. It’s the same type of van that Amazon uses, though, a Rivian Delivery Van, and these are electric delivery vehicles that start at around $80,000 and go up from there. Maybe $100,000 is a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much, once all is said and done. So getting one for $10,000 would absolutely seem like an interesting deal.

Of course, there’s a catch, because this is reality and everything has a catch. The catch here is that the van doesn’t, you know, move. Ordinarily, this is a pretty significant detriment to a van, or, really, almost any motor vehicle, but Rich felt the gamble could be worth it, because, come on, this thing is practically new! How hard could it be?

The van was marked not for sale, but despite that, somehow Rich managed to buy it, becoming possibly the first private – as in non-commercial – owner of a Rivian Delivery Van ever. It’s also worth noting that this van was in this position because it had been Lemon Law’d, which means that it was so broken from the get-go that the manufacturer had to buy it back. And from there, I guess it was sold to the dealer that Rich bought it from?

Anyway, the sellers of the unsellable van seemed to think it needed a whole new battery pack, but Rich didn’t think so. And it seems he was right! The problem is just that the real issue is, in many ways, worse.

These videos are somewhat long, but I think worth watching, if only to really absorb the full schadenfreude of frustration as they try fix after fix to try and get the van moving. It powers up fine; the battery works, all the displays work, the power doors open and close, all the lights work, but there’s one thing that refuses to cooperate, and it’s enough to transform the whole van from a vehicle into a shed: the parking brake.

Brakesys Fault

For whatever reason, the van’s computers think there’s some kind of fault in the parking brake system, and as a result, the van refuses to go into gear and drive. The whole electric parking brake system was inspected and seems fine, but the software refuses to accept that, and effectively bricks the entire van.

By the end of the video, Rich realizes his only recourse is to try and reach out to Rivian, who will very likely refuse to work on this vehicle, because it was marked as not to be sold. And, sure, he knew the risks when plopping down his ten grand, but the bigger issue here is that this should be an alarming warning for us all, especially those of us who like to buy broken used vehicles and then make them work.

That’s something this community does all the time. I know my co-founder and EIC David has done just that multiple times, contributors like our own Stephen Walter Gossin do it with shocking regularity, and even I, with my decidedly sub-par wrenching skills, managed to get a formerly yard-bound and shot-up old Citroën running and driving again.

All of these car-resurrections were able to happen because, at least up until this point, cars were very repairable things. You could take a car that hadn’t run in years and years and get it back on the road, and there’s never been a need to reach out to the company that made the car originally – if they still even exist – for anything.

What this attempted Rivian van repair painfully demonstrates is how that situation seems to be coming to an end. When software becomes the dominant driver of how a car works, then you no longer ever really own a car; the car company is just letting you use it, until such use ceases to provide them any benefit.

If this was a UPS delivery van from 1985 or 1992 or even 2019 that Rich bought, he’d have had it running and driving in no time, ready to be converted into a camper or a mobile opium den or a hauler for a dirigible or whatever. All the systems would have been understandable and repairable. Sure, there would potentially be considerable skill and cost and resources of all kinds involved, but it would be possible.

Is it possible to fix this Rivian van at all? 99% of the systems in that van seem to be working fine, but I am not even remotely confident that the thing will ever drive again. Maybe if Rivian agrees to help somehow and use their proprietary diagnostic tools to clear the fault, but that’s a huge if. Clever hackers could likely reverse-engineer what the Rivian computers and software are doing and make a replacement nervous system, but the effort to pull that off would be, well, considerable. Like moon-sized considerable.

All of this makes me deeply uneasy. I don’t want to live in a world where otherwise perfectly repairable used cars and trucks and vans are rendered inert, useless monoliths because of some lines of code I’m not allowed to access. If this is a harbinger for the way things are going to be – and I’m afraid it very much is, as we’ve seen many similar things before – then that does not bode well for the used car market or the world of independent auto repair shops or the ability for people to afford and use used cars, for regular life use or for enthusiasts.

Right to repair is important, and the story of this Rivian delivery van should be a big, loud warning to everyone who cares about repairing their own cars. We can’t let this become the norm.

Maybe he’ll fix it, though! There’s still the possibility of a happy ending here, so I’m going to reserve at least a little dollop of hope that in a future video we’ll see Rich driving this thing past Rivian HQ, flipping a glorious bird.

Top graphic images: Rich Rebuilds/YouTube

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Richard Truett
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Richard Truett
1 month ago

Jason is a really fine writer. I just love this:
“Of course, there’s a catch, because this is reality and everything has a catch. The catch here is that the van doesn’t, you know, move. Ordinarily, this is a pretty significant detriment to a van, or, really, almost any motor vehicle…”

Last edited 1 month ago by Richard Truett
Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  Richard Truett

Well, if you have AAA membership, you just have them tow it down by the river, where you can live in it.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

I watched that video and it’s at least twice as long than it needs to be. Rich’s videos have way too much stupid fluff and BS chatter.

I think he does it to create ‘drama’, but it’s just stupid rambling BS that I fast forward over.

And I bet he could go to a Rivian service center and if he’s willing to pay (which he likely isn’t), they would help diagnose/fix the issue.

Mechanical Pig
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Mechanical Pig
1 month ago

Unfortunately that seems to be a trend among a lot of automotive youtubers. Longer videos= more spaces for ad breaks, and the almighty algorithm favors longer videos that can produce more revenue.

If you use a client that has Sponsorblock you’ll see like half the runtime of his videos are coded as “off topic filler”. Coupled with skipping both paid and self promotions the 40 minute video becomes like 15.

Beachbumberry
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Beachbumberry
1 month ago

Ok, I’m going to give an unpopular opinion based on a video series I’ve been watching of a guy swapping an Audi transmission and rotary engine into an i8 and keeping the hybrid system working. He tapped into basically all cann connections, recorded data, then had an ai interpret the results and is now using that to reverse engineer the cann signals to make everything work.

This could be a good use case for an ai to interpret any data. Possibly as simple as injecting various signals until it just works? This is admittedly above my expertise, but something worth exploring

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  Beachbumberry

Oh, that’s an excellent use for an LLM!
LLMs basically reverse-engineer everything. That’s essentially what they are.

Beachbumberry
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Beachbumberry
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Exactly my thought. The guy I saw was having to drive the car around pre-swap to pull the signals, but I’d bet if you figure out how to spoof the signal from the parking brake module, you could make it work

Stephen Walter Gossin
Stephen Walter Gossin
1 month ago

Thanks for the kind words, Jason! They just made my morning.

BMG1
BMG1
1 month ago

Please don’t hate this: ‘Just LS it !’

#I.C.E.isNICE

Oberkanone
Oberkanone
1 month ago

Open Source Linux EV Software is the answer.

Matt Sexton
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Matt Sexton
1 month ago

“…but Rich felt the gamble could be worth it, because…”

…Because he makes a living producing video content exactly like this?

I don’t see why Rivian wouldn’t help fix this van. It’s an RCV, which is the publicly available version of the EDV they contracted with Amazon. Once they realized Amazon wasn’t buying enough of these, they asked if they could break out of the contract to sell some on the open market as well. That’s the version you see here with the Rivian branding. And anyway the EDV’s weren’t sold to Amazon at all, they were sold to Amazon’s contracted private delivery companies.

So if you had a business, and bought an RCV from Rivian, why wouldn’t they help you fix it? Is there some sort of contract with Rivian if you’re an RCV buyer that the van doesn’t actually belong to you and you are forbidden to sell it to a anyone else? How would that work?

RataTejas
RataTejas
1 month ago
Reply to  Matt Sexton

If it was Lemon’d they likely don’t want it out anywhere. He bought a van that should not have been sold. Rivian would likely rather take the hit PR wise and go “you were warned” than set the precedent.

Madanthony
Madanthony
1 month ago
Reply to  RataTejas

If Rivian didn’t want it sold, they should have made it unsellable. Like GM did with their flood damaged Corvettes. Crush it or cut it in half.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/heres-what-happened-to-100-brand-new-corvettes-that-got-hit-by-a-tornado

Vadertime
Vadertime
1 month ago

So, let me chip in here. I retired 2 years ago after a 40 year career in computer software application development. My specialty was databases and I retired as a senior database engineer. About 10 years ago as I was driving to my favorite watering hole after work I heard an auto expert on NPR discuss the appearance of EVs on the automotive scene. He put it very succinctly: EVs were basically a computer with an electric motor, a huge battery pack and 4 wheels. This perfectly illustrates an EV. It is not a traditional car.

In my late teens and early 20s, my brother and I used to build street hot rods. One of my retirement stretch goals is to restore a 1960s or early 1970s muscle car. I happen to be quite mechanical and good with tools, too. Maybe that’s how I got into computers. Going back to that NPR interview, cars are controlled by computers. Every time I open the hood on my VW Atlas it screams at me to shut the lid and take it to the dealer. After a 150.00 diagnostic test they determine the issue, which then costs me many hundreds to repair. My Atlas has a lot of technology, as a matter of fact the model is an “SE with Technology” according to my insurance company when they ran the serial number. We are already there.

Remember, I am a computer programmer by training and trade. I don’t mess with these things, because of the danger of “bricking” these vehicles. I, unhappily, pay my VW dealer to diagnose and fix whatever is wrong when one of those panic inducing, orange warning lights come on and give me terrible anxiety. At the beginning of the year I replaced my battery for a 2nd time since I’ve owned the car. It takes a huge, expensive battery. Even when the car is not running, there are systems working on the car while I am asleep in bed. The car never sleeps. This is our world now. Either accept it or go find a horse and wagon. Cheers.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

Aren’t they Vapor Horses? I think maybe that means that they are Horse Ghosts?

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
1 month ago
Reply to  Vadertime

Well maybe we don’t have to accept it? Thats the point here, there should be a choice. For example, the fact that Apple plans to start charging monthly fees for hardware you already bought in the near future is insane, and we shouldn’t just accept that as a given just because a handful of very greedy people decided that’s just how it’s going to be. It starts with every one of us.

Johnologue
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Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Vadertime

If switching to a horse means dealing with less crap, you know the horseless option went bad.

ChrisP74
ChrisP74
1 month ago

This isn’t an EV problem as many comments seem to point out – it’s an electronic parking brake issue. BMW, Mercedes and a myriad of other companies uses the “check” before putting a car into drive.

Everyone’s bigger issue is Rivian doesn’t seem to allow right to repair – and we saw how that ended for John Deere.

That Belgian Guy
That Belgian Guy
1 month ago

Just like you could possibly convert an old, broken injection system to a MegaSquirt system, it is possible to replace a lot of the functions of an ev with over the shelf items.
You will find an open source inverter to drive the motor etc.
Problem is these things are all integrated in new cars. So getting them to work together is going to be difficult. Like, driving, but no electronic brake, abs, airbag, door latch, stereo etc. difficult.

RallyDarkstrike
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RallyDarkstrike
1 month ago

The parts you mention are also often ludicrously expensive compared to the repairs that Jason is talking or simply don’t ‘swap’ in with any sense of ease whatsoever because the car’s systems were never designed to TALK to that open-source, etc part.

That Belgian Guy
That Belgian Guy
1 month ago

Yes, I agree.
See comment below for followup.

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
1 month ago

That’s not how electronics work, and EVs are 90% computer.

That Belgian Guy
That Belgian Guy
1 month ago
Reply to  FndrStrat06

These are the things I am talking about:
https://www.cafeelectric.com/zilla.php

The zilla is an example of a controller that you could connect to the battery on one side and to the motor on the other side.
Ad one of these boxes for each function you want to keep, like battery management, and you have a functioning car.

I agree that having everything a new car offers, like functioning airbag etc. will be very difficult indeed. But a modern EV does not differ from a modern gasoline car in that way.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  FndrStrat06

No more than any other modern car. It has nothing to do with it being an EV.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

This is not an EV or even that new of a thing.

I gave away a 1996 Volvo S40 that became convinced that various parts were not from the same car and that the car was an assemblage of stolen parts.

JayJay
JayJay
1 month ago

What scares me about the future is that it is economically viable for youtubers to buy all kinds of crap, because the clicks revenue is much larger than the purchase price.

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
1 month ago
Reply to  JayJay

That’s been the present for a very long time. Markiplier made a whole dang movie from his YouTube money.

Totally not a robot
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Totally not a robot
1 month ago

Just to play devil’s advocate — it sounds like this van is intended solely and specifically for commercial customers. I don’t know how their private vehicles go, but I could see any company restricting the repairability of their commercial products simply to protect themselves in case an unauthorized third party botched a repair, causing an accident, and then the user tried to blame Rivian.

That Belgian Guy
That Belgian Guy
1 month ago

I am with you.
These things were never meant to be sold private. They were meant to be used by amason as a sort of service.

I, and many readers here, probably, would hate car as a service. But for a joint effort between Rivian and Amazon, this makes perfect sence.

PeriSoft
PeriSoft
1 month ago

Yeah, this whole article is strange, like it’s an excuse to get mad at something. If this was sold to private customers, you’d take it to the dealer and they’d query the thing and reflash it or swap a module and you’d drive out. There isn’t any ‘right to repair’ here because this was never intended to be used by a consumer, and it’s perfectly understandable that Rivian doesn’t want commercial vans of unknown provenance leaking out into the public in unknown condition.

This article says a lot more about the state of media than car manufacturing.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

The latest Fisker bankruptcy shows that it certainly is possible to get this Rivian going.

Fisker went bankrupt, a company bought their unsold stock, reverse engineered the crappy unfinished software and fixed the bugs. Today they are rented out to rideshare drivers.

TaylorDane > TaylorSwift
TaylorDane > TaylorSwift
1 month ago

Tesla is getting pretty close to a modernized Maximum Overdrive reboot. Except all the models – including the Semi – would trigger from the comet affecting Starlink satellites to take over all the vehicles rather than them working independently on their own. And Optimus bots would be hanging around the superchargers to plug in the terror machines.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
1 month ago

It’s ok Jason, Grok or Siri will fix cars for us going forward. I’m sure of that.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
1 month ago

Gemini (Google) has already solved the problem!

“Remedying these issues requires manually winding back the parking brake actuators with external voltage, accessing the deeply buried 12V battery for a jump start, and reverse-engineering proprietary fleet software without official diagnostic documentation”

Easy peasy…

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

I dunno, that’s not so different from any car becoming a doorstop because some minor but unobtanium part broke.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Is it really the same thing though? How often are parts unobtanium for a vehicle with the first model year only four years ago and still being sold new?

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

And this is a fault that shouldn’t need to exist, the parking brake just needs to be a cable engaging and disengaging a drum on a rear wheel, a computer does not need to be involved in any way. There’s nothing inherent to an electric drivetrain that requires any of this bullshit. Why does the computer need to know whether its set or not? Can’t the driver just deal with it?

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

No not the same. Just similar.

P Hans
P Hans
1 month ago

I realize there is an ungodly amount of intricacies in software that monitors and run an electric vehicle safely and optimally, but this case demonstrates clearly that this software needs to be open source. Right now, car companies does not see any value in open sourcing anything because their MBA-educated execs sees no profit coming from it so to them it is worthless, no $-signs attached = kill it. While EVs are simple in principle and that will be the key to rebuild the software that runs them, open source. The problem is the overlap of car enthusiasts that can work on cars and programmers are not as large as the circle of car enthusiasts that can work on cars

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  P Hans

BuT tHaT’s HoW tHe BadDiEs GeT yOu!!!!!!!!!!

(This fear mongering has been brought to you by BigAuto)

Last edited 1 month ago by Cheap Bastard
ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  P Hans

If there was an open source EV company, that would be interesting. Surprised Slate isn’t trying to do it.

RallyDarkstrike
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RallyDarkstrike
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

The closest I know of is that Aptera is planning to publish full manuals for repairing their vehicles and supposedly sell replacement parts to their owners. I doubt they’d give software access though and the Aptera has kindof been vapourware-ish up until this point. Many prototypes, but they have to keep trying to find ways to get more money and they haven’t delivered even one production vehicle yet and are years overdue.

DONALD FOLEY
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DONALD FOLEY
1 month ago

Yes, how many years?

RallyDarkstrike
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RallyDarkstrike
1 month ago
Reply to  DONALD FOLEY

A lot….not sure how many years at this point.

Torque
Torque
1 month ago
Reply to  DONALD FOLEY

Aptera’s history has been like teying to bring a brand new airplane to the market, i.e. extrememly long and tedious. Technically it has been at it for 20 years!

“Aptera Motors was originally founded in 2006, pivoted through a Chinese-owned venture in 2012, and relaunched in 2019 as Aptera Motors Corp. based in Carlsbad, California, with a solar electric three-wheeler currently targeting deliveries by the end of 2026”

Cranberry
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Cranberry
1 month ago

My next vehicle will 100% be a BEV but there’s an underlying trend of non-graceful failures that this highlights that I also worry about.

Other than the advanced thermal management systems, a BEV should be rock solid in theory but I’m wondering when we will see more of this and it sucks that there’s a lot of gotchas that will have to be found by the consumer.

Ex. H/K’s no immobilizers, ‘23 Toyobaru EV two-three DCFC’s charges a day limit approximately, OTA updates bricking the Mach-E/F-150L, etc.

Mr. Tweedy
Mr. Tweedy
1 month ago

Uncle Rich will get it driving. It’s hard to stop Massachusetts Man.

Cransberry
Cransberry
1 month ago

I wholeheartedly agree with the direction of the piece however, I don’t like the implied helplessness of stuff like this. Software is just a manmade machine like any other. It requires skills, for sure, but no difference than regular car repair back in the day. There’s just around 150ish years of know how for automobiles. Computer tech hasn’t had that type of time, and has elements in it trying to force a sorta helplessness. Big tech stands to gain if you remain illiterate in computers. So learn.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  Cransberry

I mean… you don’t even need to be literate anymore, thanks to AI/vibecoding. Idk if you’ve tried it yet but it’s WILD

JunkerDave
JunkerDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Cransberry

Sounds good, but this isn’t controlled by skill. You do realize that in the US there are laws against re-engineering software (DMCA etc.)? John Deere owners were reduced to buying pirate software from other countries.

Cransberry
Cransberry
1 month ago
Reply to  JunkerDave

Something about when laws become unreasonable you should become ungovernable?

Torque
Torque
1 month ago
Reply to  JunkerDave

Biggest vote we have is voting with our money.
Buy products that dont do stupid shit like Deere tractors in their own locked computer closed ecosystem. There are a shit ton of other options available

Zak
Zak
1 month ago

This is one area where AI is *very* good at reverse engineering and fixing weird proprietary software.

Cransberry
Cransberry
1 month ago
Reply to  Zak

Honestly, great idea and use of the thing

ShifterCar
ShifterCar
1 month ago
Reply to  Zak

This was my thought as well – all the examples of people vibe-coding apps to do something 142 other apps already do aren’t exactly exciting to me but knowing that coding is one of the things ai was trained to do makes me optimistic that this era of software defined vehicles won’t be totally disposable.
My training in and use of C and C++ ended 25ish years ago and I never learned Java or Python but I know that Claude knows these languages…

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

Why are we only complaining about this now? I had an ’01 Audi A4 that by turning the car to acc 5 times while a seat belt retractor was disconnected put it into a limp mode Audi would only clear after a $2000 airbag replacement. What benefit does BMW provide by vin-coding an audio amplifier that’s not in any way easily stealable?

Ferdinand
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Ferdinand
1 month ago

I had to buy a $100 aftermarket “DealerTool” just to be able to clear the service light that appears every 6,000 miles on the gauge cluster of my 14 year old Triumph. Or, you know, go to the dealer and pay them the 1 hour minimum to have them do it.

Shits been going on for ages.

Bodnar
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Bodnar
1 month ago

10 grand is a hell of a business tax write off.

Emil Minty
Emil Minty
1 month ago

From an informed source (i.e. my wife), since horror movies consistently make money, studios are more likely to fund, so more directors are turning their ideas into horror flicks.

But it does mean that some terrific horror is being made – Blink Twice, Weapons, Sinners, The Blackening, etc.

Last edited 1 month ago by Emil Minty
Hoser68
Hoser68
1 month ago
Reply to  Emil Minty

This makes me think we have a new Horror Movie Trope.

Let’s look at a classic. Woman is being chased by dude wearing her recently ex-boyfriend’s face as a mask. She jumps in a car and it instantly floods and she cranks it like crazy while screaming. Classic Trope, but no longer valid, since any car made in the last 30 years either starts or doesn’t in 10 seconds with moder EFI and no amount of gas pumping and coaxing helps.

So, to bring that trope to the 21st century, combine it with another old one. She jumps in the car, pushes the start button and a bar showing “software update” starts slowly filling up like trying to download a file on a thumb drive. As she panics and screams, the update bar keeps building up and just as the double faced dude’s head smashes through the window.. up comes an Error “ID… TEN… T” and the car finally boots up to a happy “read to drive screen” just as the victim is yanked out the window.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

I’m reminded of an acquaintance back in art school who made a super 8 horror movie about a carburettor that was trying to kill him. Pre-internet, I doubt I could find it.

Emil Minty
Emil Minty
1 month ago

Have you heard of Rubber? Sentient tire goes on a killing spree.

https://youtu.be/hVKgY1ilx0Y?is=eB1botJ_yudPgRPd

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  Emil Minty

Oh yeah! It is a retread of an old story still in rotation, but pretty good for another season.

In this case however, it’s pretty hard to suspend reality enough to believe a Solex could be sentient. A Weber, maybe…

1913Jalopy
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1913Jalopy
1 month ago

“Retread”…I see what you did there

A Buick Level of Build Quality
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A Buick Level of Build Quality
1 month ago

I’m curious. Was it an SU?

LMCorvairFan
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LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

In my nightmares it would be a DCOE Weber or Dellorto. Ahhhhhh boxes and boxes of emulsión tubes and jets and ….

BMG1
BMG1
1 month ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

The ‘Hatachi’ copies were fun too !
All most loss my mind on internal leaks !!!

LMCorvairFan
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LMCorvairFan
1 month ago
Reply to  BMG1

Had a set of those on my 240z. They were Childs play compared to the webers. The solexes I had on my TR-6 and TR-7. Had Webers and Dellortos on those.

BMG1
BMG1
1 month ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

The later ‘California Hatachi’s’ on the late ’73-up 260-Z’s were un-tuneable do to the C.A.R.B. laws.
And our friends at Datsun changed the intake manifolds, so the early Hatachi’s wouldn’t mount !
The fun was over in California.

LMCorvairFan
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LMCorvairFan
1 month ago
Reply to  BMG1

My Z was a 72 so I missed the fun. I’ve graduated away from carbs to ecu and efi land. Both easier and harder at the same time.

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