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Constance Wu Speaks For All Millennial Parents: Minivans Rule

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“I have never been vain about a car before…” are dangerous words for a celebrity to utter on social media, though I’m going to give full credit to actress Constance Wu for bragging about a vehicle I think absolutely needs to be bragged about: The Minivan. As a Millennial I know that were all lied to. We were old the minivan was square, uncool, a vehicle for moms. The critiques were both gendered and illogical. Minivans rule.

Though I have respect for Wu as an actress (Hustlers, Crazy Rich Asians, and Fresh Off the Boat), I’m fairly sure I didn’t follow her on social media. Instead, I believe the algorithm decided I should see a recent post because it conforms to my longstanding belief that minivans are often superior to SUVs and crossovers for parents.

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“I don’t want an SUV, I want something that reflects who I am: And I am mom”

Why We Were Programmed To Not Like Minivans

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Every generation is looking to reject the norms of their parents. That’s not necessarily good or bad, it’s just a byproduct of modernity. Often, we shed the irksome habits of our parents, like how your mom might point out the suspected ethnicity and weight of every person in a story they’re retelling. Not all the changes are for the better. Occasionally, we’ll overreach and lose something important, like the three-martini lunch. I think minivans fall into that second category.

This is well-trod territory if you read a lot about cars, though I think it’s worth repeating. If you’re a good person, having a family fundamentally alters the context of your existence. You may still be you after you have a kid, but it’s a you that has an otherwise unfathomable existential weight tugging on you every conscious moment of every day. No matter how much you love your kid or kids, you have to contend with the change in identity that comes with truly putting someone else’s needs first.

For parents in the ’60s and ’70s, this primarily meant buying a station wagon. What I didn’t fully understand before I had a kid is that you need many more seats in your car than the number of children you have. If it takes a village to raise a child, the reality is that occasionally that village will want a ride to go get yogurt. Most old minivans had a third row of one kind or another, often facing backwards so as to maximize the likelihood that the children back there will either vomit up a Happy Meal, make dirty faces at tailgating motorists, or both.

The wagon became unfashionable by the 1980s and was replaced, seemingly overnight, by a new generation of a vehicle: The Minivan. While there are a few European antecedents, and Ford does deserve its share of credit for laying the groundwork, it’s Chrysler’s Town & Country/Dodge Caravan that correctly gets most of the credit.

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There were numerous improvements brought about with the introduction of the modern minivan. Though the vehicle was shorter than comparable station wagons and easier to park, it had way more storage space thanks to its low floor and high roof. Access was improved with a sliding door and liftback rear. Based on a car-like unibody chassis, it was also more efficient and comfortable. What’s remarkable is that, though automakers have tried various alternative configurations, essentially every remaining minivan keeps this basic layout.

While my parents never owned a minivan, nearly every other kid I knew had at least one in the family, so I spent much of my early youth in various Mopar, Ford, Honda, and Toyota vans. There was probably a Nissan Quest in there for good measure.

Then came the Ford Explorer, which changed the desire profile among suburbanites. Somewhat confusingly, minivan sales peaked around the year 2000 with a 7% share of the market. In my memory, the minivan was almost entirely replaced by the SUV by 1995 or 1996. The SUV was a backlash against the minivan, which was itself a response to the station wagon.

There are plenty of good reasons to buy an SUV and, over the years, the modern family SUV has slowly evolved into essentially a big minivan without the sliding doors. Even with all the improvements, it’s difficult not to view the adoption of the SUV as an unfortunate step back towards the limitations of the station wagon without the style.

Millennials Are Bringing Back The Van

 

 

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In her Instagram reel (you can click to see it here if it won’t load), Wu is so enthusiastic about her Sienna that she has to clarify that she’s not doing a sponsored promotion for Toyota. She just really loves her van.

Having reviewed almost exactly (if not exactly) the same van in the same configuration, I 100% get it. Here’s what I wrote about the Sienna:

The Sienna wins for being the only minivan offered where every version is a hybrid. It’s hard to argue that a vehicle like a minivan, which is basically a school bus for most families, shouldn’t always be a hybrid. The Sienna also has the option of all-wheel drive, which is important to some people. The starting price is even slightly lower than the Kia, which is the only non-PHEV competitor.

Ultimately, though, a minivan is a place to be. To exist. To pass countless mornings on the way to kindergarten, and endless hours driving to grandma’s 80th birthday party. There’s very little gimmick to the Sienna. Its main gimmick is that it’ll be a comfortable environment for trips long and short, while returning more than reasonable fuel economy. It’ll even do it at a good price.

Personally, my preference is a little more skewed towards the Kia Carnival Hybrid, but there are no bad choices here. As a Millennial child, I remember sleeping un-belted on top of a cooler in the back of my grandfather’s station wagon. That seemed fine at the time, though as a Millennial parent I require both safety equipment and a bunch of other crap to get my kid from place to place. Those little blue barf bags Wu tosses in the back? I definitely drive with one of those for my upchuck-prone child, as well as Dramamine and snacks.

There’s a little do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocrisy here, because I drive a crossover. For various reasons, my wife and I decided to only have one kid, and that meant the minivan was probably overkill (we still considered it, mind you). A hybrid CR-V is plenty large enough for us, and I can squeeze two more kids in the back.

Just to bring this circle, I was reminded of this scene in Fresh Off The Boat in which Wu, as Jessica Huang, mourns the loss of her 1989 Dodge Caravan (with the wood trim, so nice). The show is set in the mid-90s so there’s a lovely sort of bookend here, as the character is old enough to have been around at the tail-end of minivan supremacy, and the actress is now old enough to be here for minivans being cool again.

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The World of Vee
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The World of Vee
4 minutes ago

Love a good van sure, would rock a lux van but as a new dad who needs to transport grandparents, the Escalade ESV has the van beat (other than fuel economy)

Frank C.
Frank C.
17 minutes ago

I laughed at “cheddar bunnies “.

Rick Garcia
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Rick Garcia
32 minutes ago

Vans are the best when you have kids. And when they fuck it up (because that’s what kids do) you don’t care. It’s a van, it didn’t look good to start with. Oh well the kid put a scratch in it. Coming up on 10 years on my Odyssey and when it’s time to retire it, I’m buying another one.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
39 minutes ago

“and endless hours driving to grandma’s 80th birthday party.”

How many times has your grandma turned 80?!

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
45 minutes ago

I’ve wondered this for awhile now – did the GM U Body (aka the dust buster) vans of the 90s simply come out too soon?

It seems like we’re getting closer and closer style-wise to them now, and futuro-utilitarian look stuff is having a moment.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 hour ago

There were even cooler minivans you left out of the article, most notably the Transit Connect and NV200 😛

Yeah the Sienna hybrid is cool and awesome, and so is the non-hybrid 4-cylinder Sienna from 2011-12 (possibly rare enough to be featured as a holy grail).

But even the big thirsty V6 minivans we get are still cooler than any crossover shit for morons who don’t want a minivan. If a Sienna isn’t big enough, there was the Metris, but not enough people knew about it, so they killed it off. It was bigger than a minivan but smaller than a full-size van, though the seats didn’t fold at all (though folding seats sold for other markets are available to purchase from various sites).

Chrysler was so insecure and jealous that they had to cripple the Promaster City by not offering third row seats or even windows, in order to protect the shitty Pacifica.

We *almost* got the Renault Espace, but then Chrysler bought out AMC and killed it.

And of course, a bunch of other cool minivans we never got, like the Kangoo, Berlingo/Partner, older Doblo with full windows and seats, etc. The Nissan Serena looks like the Quest but shares no parts with it and is RWD with the engine between the front seats.

The Doblo in other markets was also available as a high roof van with windows at the top sides, like the old VW Samba van, yet is much cheaper than an old Samba. The Kangoo was available with AWD.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Dogisbadob
Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
32 minutes ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

The shitty Pacifica? I drove what had to be the shittiest, hardest lived Pacifica rental out of Las Vegas and as far as shitty cars go one could do a LOT worse!

Clearly you need a better benchmark for shitty cars. I recommend a 1st gen Nissan Versa with the CVT.

04 Poor
04 Poor
32 minutes ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Unfortunately the 11-12 4 cylinder Siennas are borderline junk. The engines were essentially a slightly higher displacement Camry engine and they were extremely sensitive to oil maintenance. Around that time, Toyota was pushing 10k mile/1 year oil change intervals on 0W20 with only the finest fine print stating that most people don’t actually qualify for that, but of course most Toyota owners just followed that blindly and now a lot of them are burning oil like crazy, with the only fix being a new short block due to the cylinder walls being scored. Just get an 11-16 V6 (skip the 17-20s, they have their own engine and transmission problems) and be happy.

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Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
1 hour ago

Sent the article directly to my wife before I even read it. Between this and Kylie Kelce also driving a Sienna there’s ground to be gained here, not to mention number 2 is officially in the oven. It’s van time, baby.

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago

To Mrs. Membrane, please focus your attention on only the positive portions of my comment below. My wife has loved both her vans.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

“Hey babe, you need to read what my Internet friend’s wife thinks about her vans!”

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 hour ago

“As a Millennial I know that were all lied to. We were old the minivan was square, uncool, a vehicle for moms.”

WHO told you this?

Data
Data
1 hour ago

I’ve said it before, but a 1995 Nissan regular cab 5-spd truck will baby just fine. In the modern world it’s about as safe as a beer can and I wouldn’t recommend but I never could fathom why people have one child and suddenly need three rows of seating.

My wife had an Accord if all three of us needed to go somewhere. When I had a child with my second wife, I had a 2008 Civic and she had a 2nd gen Prius.

MegaVan
MegaVan
1 hour ago
Reply to  Data

I can fit a rear facer and a forward facer in the Mini Cooper Hardtop (2 door). It works fine. I don’t think I could do infant twins in it though. A lot of small cars work fine. I just have one size for each situation.

CarEsq
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CarEsq
1 hour ago

My wife would ride a pogo stick before agreeing to get a minivan.

Redapple
Redapple
1 hour ago
Reply to  CarEsq

fashion is very important to women. Logic and math looms large in my life.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 hour ago
Reply to  Redapple

*SOME* women. I’ll bet you’ll find a woman who works in actual STEM to be a lot less fashion obsessed than one in real estate, HR, law or sales.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
1 hour ago
Reply to  Redapple

I think the amount of men with 84 month loans on body on frame trucks that will never tow or see worse than a gravel driveway suggests that this isn’t specific to one gender….

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago

Anyone (and I know you’re on your way to the comment section) saying minivans are all upside and no downside over crossovers is mistaken.

Vans are great, and we’ve put 200,000+ miles on them the last decade. I love ours. But there’s a strain of “no one needs a crossover” and “minivans are perfect” in the comment section that isn’t justified.

-Towing is weaker than many crossovers.

-Ground clearance is poor, and getting stuck in deep snow is a real concern.

-Vans are built on car platforms and use car-grade components despite being larger and heavier than many CUVs. Consumables and wear part usage is elevated vs. cars and even some crossovers.

-Hybrids aside, traditional V6 vans get pretty poor gas mileage.

In other words, buy a van. They’re great. We have no plans to get rid of ours. But take it from a long time owner – there are valid reasons to buy a CUV/SUV that have nothing to do with “perceived toughness” or “off-road pretentions” or whatever.

MegaVan
MegaVan
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

The traditional V6 *actual* fuel mileage is what pushed me to full size. That and towing. And V8. And RWD. And cost (cheaper at the time).

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

Counterpoint: A couple of years ago I rented a traditional V6 Pacifica for a 700 mile road trip around the southwest. According to Google maps the route had an overall elevation change of 34659 ft so not flat. It AVERAGED 32 mpg on the cheapest, shittiest 85 octane I could find.

Granted I drove the speed limit or slightly below. So if you find your traditional V6 van gets pretty poor gas mileage it’s not the van…it’s you.

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I will venture to say that 700 miles below the speed limit on a remote desert excursion is also not the typical use case for a van. Pacificas are rated at 20-22 MPG combined, which is much closer to reality for a family driving to school and sports with an occasional road trip or two in there.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

And how do you think a full sized traditional pickup or SUV would have done? Or in your case of a family driving to school and sports with an occasional road trip or two in there?

The answer is: no better to worse:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=47133&id=47167&id=47112&id=47171

*Jason*
*Jason*
30 minutes ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

22 mpg – Chrysler Pacifica
22 mpg – Honda Pilot
22 mpg – Chevy Traverse
24 mpg – Toyota Grand Highlander
24 mpg – Ford Explorer RWD
(2026 models)

Compare Side-by-Side

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
20 minutes ago
Reply to  *Jason*

I was sticking with nonaspired V6s of a similar displacement for a more apples to apples comparison. If Chrysler bothered to put in a more modern and fuel-efficient 4 cyl I have no doubt it would beat those 4 cyl vehicles.

Who Knows
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Who Knows
33 minutes ago
Reply to  V10omous

I feel like a lot of the listed downsides could be fixed by oems if they felt like it. If they wanted to, I don’t see any fundamental reason why a vehicle with the shape factor of a 1990’s grand caravan couldn’t do better offroad than most mid sized pickups, tow just as much, and be just as durable, just no one has bothered to do it since it probably wouldn’t make any financial sense. Maybe Porsche will build a Habanero Minivan on a Cayenne platform, and blow all the SUVs out of the water (for lots of money)?

MegaVan
MegaVan
1 hour ago

Sometimes a minivan just isn’t enough.

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 hour ago
Reply to  MegaVan

Then you do like my brother and get a full-size.

MegaVan
MegaVan
1 hour ago
Reply to  James McHenry

You don’t have to tell me. I already did the math.

*Jason*
*Jason*
41 minutes ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Sometimes a 15 passenger van is not enough.

VanGuy
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VanGuy
1 hour ago
Reply to  MegaVan

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
1 hour ago
Reply to  MegaVan

I’m just here to say van

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 hour ago

Objectively, minivans are the most practical family vehicle ever devised, if you have 3 or more kids and drive anything else, you are compromising for some perceived sense of fashion. You might not want to admit it, but you are

I say three, because I recall my brother and I being perfectly comfortable in a Caprice Classic Brougham or Loyale wagon. It was the arrival of an additional brother that made the minivan a real game changer in comfort on family road trips, or, bringing some friends to the opening weekend of Jurassic Park or something

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 hour ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

100%. And I am so completely comfortable with that. I hate the look of minivans. So I hate walking away from a minivan. I will accept mild inconvenience (and I have never found it to be more than mild) in exchange for owning something I actually like owning.

And to be clear, when I say “I”, I mean “we”, because my wife picks her own vehicles and has never desired a van herself either.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Lockleaf
Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 hour ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

That said, I have test driven a Corvair Greenbrier and found it surprisingly close to the feel of a Monza club coupe, once I adjusted for the driving position being futher forward, so I think that would be a pretty minor concession to family convenience vs driving enjoyment. Seriously, I liked it, the cost of a decent one and the fact that all my garage bays are currently full are the only two reasons I don’t have one.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
11 minutes ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Hey now, the conversation changes when you are talking about something as cool as a Greenbrier Corvan. Those are sweet. I’ve even looked at those wondering if I could manage to modify one in to a L’Universalle. My wife wouldn’t ever drive one of those, but yeah, if we are gonna call those Minivans, thats a minivan I would own.

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