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I Want To Kvetch About What I Hate About AI When It Comes To Car Stuff

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I don’t think anything I’m going to say here is going to be particularly shocking or Earth-shattering to anyone, but I’m sort of frustrated and feel like saying it, and I have to do a Cold Start anyway, so I may as well put it out here: AI is making my job harder. I know that’s the opposite of what the conventional wisdom may be, but for those of us who give a brace of BMs about, you know, things that actually exist, AI is a plague.

Though, to be honest, the more I think about it, it’s not that AI itself is the plague; like all problems, it comes back to us humans. AI is just a tool, for better or worse. It’s the way humans are using AI that’s the real issue. I’ll explain.

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I’m bringing this up because of an Instagram post I happened to see that caught my attention like a cat grabbing a dropped piece of sashimi. It was a post that was seemingly designed in a lab to get my attention: it was about a Brazilian Volkswagen, specifically a plan to update the Type 2 Bus in the late 1990s in an attempt to keep it competitive. Here’s the post:

On the surface, it’s a fascinating concept, and one that feels extremely plausible. Brazil overall has a long history of taking deeply obsolete designs and grafting on more modern faces and other details in objectively hilarious ways to try and drag old cars into the present, like what they did with the Ford Falcon (crap, as a commenter mentioned, this is Argentinian, not Brazilian, but the basic point still stands):

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And Volkswagen Brazil certainly had plenty of experience modernizing VW hardware that traces back to the 1930s; take what they did with the Beetle chassis and drivetrain to transform it into a far more modern-seeming vehicle like the Brasilia:

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So, the idea itself is certainly plausible. And VW absolutely did undertake styling studies to explore how the Type 2 Microbus design could be updated at various times; look at these, for example:

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This concept was known as “Heckmotor mit Lufteinlässen an der Front,” which just means it has an engine in back and sucks in air at the front. It seems to be a mid-’60s design study. The compartment at the front – presumably for the spare wheel – is interesting, too.

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This 1975 update clearly prefigures the Vanagon-type design that the Type 2 would become. I show you these because it just reinforces that what this AI-generated post is something that is, fundamentally, possible.

So, when I first saw the post, I was excited; a 1997 project to update the old buses that Brazil was still producing? I’m fascinated; this is catnip.

And they look like something VW Brazil may have done: just the front clip was modified, with new faces that incorporated more modern lighting equipment and a bonded-type windshield – as opposed to the old held-in-with-rubber-grommet style – that a ’90s car would have. They seem plausible!

But then I looked closer, and saw the expected AI tells in the small text and logos:

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Yep, that’s AI. What about the other one?

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Crap. AI, too.

And the interior: this looks like what I would imagine a modernization attempt to the Type 2 interior would, in fact, look like:

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Honestly, thank every deity for AI still being bad with text and logos, because those are still the quickest signs of AI bullshit.

It’s all very well done, and that’s the problem. Well, it’s a problem because nothing in the caption suggests it’s AI at all. Now, I am all for making shit up – I love “what-if”-type speculation, and we do a ton of that here on this site – I’ve done it before, and you’ve seen the great stuff The Bishop does here. But we always make it clear it’s fiction, we’re speculating and extrapolating and imagining. That’s fun.

Putting stuff out without the clarification that it’s AI is simply deceptive. It muddies the water of truth and fiction, and that’s just going to bite us in the ass. It already is.

It’s not AI’s fault that it’s weirdly good at creating hypothetical cars like this; the fault is how we use it, and that it’s being used to deceive instead of inform or entertain or spark thought. I hate that when I see anything online now that looks interesting, there’s that seed of doubt that all too often proves to be accurate. It used to be fun to stumble upon something you didn’t know before online, and now, well, who the hell knows what’s real or not.

Being real still matters. It always will. We will never use AI to deceive like this; when I want to deceive, I’ll do it by hand, like our ancestors did.

Stupid AI. I wanted these weird bus concepts to be real.

UPDATE: So, good news – as a commenter pointed out these concepts are real! You can see the actual images on this page! AI was used to extrapolate the partial images into entire vehicles, and the interior shot was AI-upscaled, or something. So why couldn’t the Instagram poster have mentioned that? The AI issue is still valid, because the images still aren’t real, but at least they come from some germ of a real source. Why is everything so hard?

 

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Tony Mantler
Tony Mantler
15 days ago

I like how “Heckmotor mit Lufteinlässen an der Front” is exactly how I would expect the phrase to be translated into German by someone who doesn’t speak a word of German.

Paul Schmidt
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Paul Schmidt
15 days ago

It’s always been possible to create a fabricated lie that is essentially indistinguishable from a poorly-documented historical truth. But with AI tools, it is now 1000x easier than before. Combine that with a social media environment that rewards engagement over truth, and you have the perfect recipe for a new industry that simply fabricates lies about poorly-documented history as a matter of course.

Which, of course, is going to obscure the poorly-documented historical truth even further.

Bram Oude Elberink
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Bram Oude Elberink
15 days ago

This 1975 update clearly prefigures the Vanagon-type design that the Type 2 would become.

I think you mean Type 3?

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
15 days ago

The vans/busses were always Type 2. Within them we have:
T1 “split window” 1950-1967
T2 “bay window” 1968-1979
T3 Vanagon 1980-1990
T4 Eurovan 1990-2003
And so on, maybe VW has gotten to T7 or T8 now IDK..

Type 3 is the slightly bigger aircooled car from the 60s

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Bram Oude Elberink
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Bram Oude Elberink
15 days ago

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Must have been confusing for VW employees as well back in the days, Type 1, 2, 3 and T1, T2, T3. Or maybe its just me.

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
15 days ago

No, It’s everybody 😀

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
15 days ago

I like the one on the right, because they by AI’ing a 1990 VW T4 hood, grille and lights on to it, somehow has gotten it to look like the late sixties Hanomag “Harburger” F25 (former Tempo, later Mercedes-Benz) front wheel drive van. The other one just looks Chinese..

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Acd
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Acd
16 days ago

AI generated slop pictures that some loser is trying to pass off as an actual photo trying to get clicks is one of the worst things about social media today.

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
16 days ago
Reply to  Acd

Worse than the racism, transphobia and misogyny trying to get clicks?

Acd
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Acd
16 days ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

People trying to turn every comment into a political argument ranks right up there too.

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
16 days ago
Reply to  Acd

You could just admit you were being a bit over dramatic…

I guess you did say “one of the…”

Last edited 16 days ago by NosrednaNod
Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
16 days ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

No, the AI slop is much more irritating, since all of that other stuff also exists in the real world

67 Oldsmobile
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67 Oldsmobile
15 days ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

Yes,definitely. These things matter to us.

Chris Haining
Chris Haining
16 days ago

I can draw, having honed my skills for decades, but even my strongest work will look like a drawing of a car and therefore not something tangibly real.

Any dick, meanwhile, can feed prompts into an AI and generate a car that the unquestioning will accept as genuine.

And worse, it’s now at the point that folk who are unfamiliar with more obscure subjects will decry an actual, real car as being AI fiction. I’ve seen various ’70s concepts nominated as such.

The enshittification of everything has been a great success; now the deletion of reality is well under way.

Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
16 days ago

I tried to click on every part of the Ford Falcon ad that had a car in it.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
16 days ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

That’s the human thing to do.

GirchyGirchy
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GirchyGirchy
16 days ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

Select all squares with

hideous Argentine malaise mobiles

If there are none, click skip

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
16 days ago

Those people in that Brasilia are yelling w/ a smile at that dude:

“Hey! Hands off our bags, you douchbag! Unless you join your cult”

Fuck AI (Artificial Stupidity)
Skynet is coming for us all! Has no one seen Terminator 2?! Ha ha

UmbraTitan
UmbraTitan
16 days ago

I mean, Artificial Idiocy was right there.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
16 days ago
Reply to  UmbraTitan

Yeah, that is good! I don’t know why I always say Artificial Stupidity…I may be chainsawing too many batteries…and eating too much shower spaghetti…

Argentine Utop
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Argentine Utop
16 days ago

Ehhh, the Falcon is Argentine, not Brazilian.

Argentine Utop
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Argentine Utop
16 days ago

Ah, no, no, we are collectively offended. Now we demand as a compensation a lysergic article about Falcons.
Oh, did you know that in the late ’60s the works team “narrowed” some sedans to gain some aerodinamic advantage? They removed a longitudinal strip of about 5cm and welded the remaining sides. Bonkers.

GirchyGirchy
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GirchyGirchy
16 days ago
Reply to  Argentine Utop

Thanks, Fonz!

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
16 days ago
Reply to  Argentine Utop

Yeah, the closest Brazilian equivalent was the 1966 Galaxie, built there to 1983

Argentine Utop
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Argentine Utop
15 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Until 1983? Impressive!
So when we first went to the southern beaches in 1982 my dad could have traded his brand new Falcon SP for a brand new Galaxie!

Johnologue
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Johnologue
16 days ago

Don’t worry, they’re on their way to fixing the issues with fingers, logos, and text. Then they’ll demand to know why we’re opposed to their perfectly real-looking fake images.

3WiperB
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3WiperB
16 days ago

The problem is also a system that only rewards engagement, regardless of whether it’s good or bad engagement and regardless of whether its true or not. I don’t want my social media feeds filled with fake AI content or troll posts to get me angry, but that’s what gets the clicks.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
16 days ago

Weird cars? Brazil? Don’t answer that knock at your door, it’s a Toyota Bandeirante with a 4 cylinder Mercedes-Benz diesel engine, and it wants you to gaze into its rectangular headlamps and question your morality.

Marcelo Jardim
Marcelo Jardim
16 days ago

BTW, as far as I know, the concepts were indeed real. Here are the real images (there are only two): https://autopapo.com.br/curta/vw-alternativos-veiga/

Jonee Eisen
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Jonee Eisen
16 days ago
Reply to  Marcelo Jardim

Fascinating. The posts are from 2022, so apparently legit. Someone used AI to generate the whole car, I guess.

TheNewt
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TheNewt
16 days ago

I do quite a bit of research and I’m noticing that AI content is being developed from other AI content. I see this as the start of a death spiral for accurate information.

Separately, I REALLY like the look of that Falcon.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
16 days ago

A I Carrumba!

Lincoln Clown CaR
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Lincoln Clown CaR
16 days ago

Don’t create a cow, man.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
16 days ago

Pretty sure that’s a sphere.

Marcelo Jardim
Marcelo Jardim
16 days ago

The Falcon was never sold in Brazil.
Also, Brasilias and Beetles are fairly different vehicles; Brasilias are not just facelifted beetles.

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