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In A Way, Chevrolet Made The First Porsche 911

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First off, let me be clear that I do understand that the headline I picked here is a bit, um, flexible with the truth. I don’t think I’d go so far to say it is clickbaity, but I am desirous of your clicks, all your sweet, sweet clicks, so, sure, okay, maybe I did bait some clicks. But there is a corn kernel of truth in that healthy bowel movement of a headline, and I think it’s a fun thing to just ponder as you start your day.

I guess perhaps a more accurate way to say the same thing would be to note that Chevy made the first six-cylinder Porsche, and if we want to be reductive and say that a Porsche 911 is, essentially, a rear-engined, air-cooled Porsche with a flat-six engine, then Chevrolet did that a good six years before the Porsche 911 (well, 901 at first) hit the market.

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Why did this happen? I suspect most of our readers have figured that out already, but if you’re hungover or something this morning, I can just tell you: it was part of the process of developing the Corvair.

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Image: Automobile Quarterly

This was the picture that got me thinking along these lines; it’s from an excellent 1970 Karl Ludvigsen article in Automobile Quarterly, volume 8, issue 4, titled Remember the Corvair? Here’s a Look at What We Lost. The picture shows a GM tech removing a prototype Corvair flat-six engine from a Porsche 356.

In a later article, Karl pins down exactly what year that 356 was – it was bought in early summer of 1957, and Karl includes this wonderful bit of geekery of the sort that’s close to my heart:

“We can date it fairly precisely because it had the new teardrop-shaped tail lamps introduced that spring but not yet the exhaust outlets in the bumper overriders of the 1958 models.”

That article includes this really evocative photo:

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Image: Excellence/GM

Holy crap, look how well, if tightly, that engine fits in there! I wonder if they had to cut any sheetmetal to get it to fit? I think it looks like they may have, making a sort of tunnel in that rear firewall there. After all, there’s an extra pair of cylinders in there.

You can also see very clearly the distinctive Corvair cooling setup, with that crazy belt that makes a 90° turn to drive that horizontal cooling fan.

So, what we have here is a Porsche 356 1600 with an air-cooled flat-6 engine in it, which I think one could argue is, at the very least, thematically what the Porsche 911 would be.

I just find it kind of a fascinating thing to ponder; that humble Chevrolet essentially tested what would be the 911 formula back in 1957, long before Porsche released the 911 in 1963.

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Images: Corvair Corsa, Car and Driver

It’s not surprising at all that Chevy was looking at Porsche and Volkswagen while they were developing the Corvair engine – VW and Porsche were the big dogs of air-cooled, horizontally-opposed engines, so it’s not surprising at all that the Corvair borrowed from both of those.

What’s also fascinating is the realization of just how uncommon flat-6 engines were when the Corvair was being developed. Mercedes-Benz had built one in the ’30s for an experimental front-wheel drive car called the 130 W 144, and of course there was Tucker, who used an adapted helicopter engine from Franklin, but that was also never fully mass-produced, and there were really hardly any other automotive examples.

There were plenty of aircraft engines from Continental and others, but for cars? Chevy was really doing some pioneering work there.

Anyway, I suppose the point of all this is that if you have an annoying Porsche fetishist in your life, feel free to take a moment and let them know that the first Porsche with a flat-six wasn’t the 911, but was instead built by the same company that gave the world the Vega.

If delivered right, you might get a drink thrown in your face.

Top graphic images: Chevrolet; Porsche

 

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Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
1 month ago

JT can be as clickbaity as he wants, will always read his articles anyway

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

Still love the Corvair

Karl Ludvigsen
Karl Ludvigsen
1 month ago

Karl Ludvigsen

About Porsche’s priority for electric drive, this is wildly exaggerated. I’ve just written a piece on the progress made in that arena by French engineers in the final decae of the 19th Century. It starts like this!

To set the stage for the drama that is to develop, we call on historian Jean-Louis Loubet to provide a picture of the French approach to the design of motor cars in the last decade of the Nineteenth Century:
         “Many innovations made the Daimler engine a reliable, light-weight (less than 50 kg) engine with good energy efficiency and, above all, powerful enough to propel a light vehicle. This was initially a Benz tricycle (1886) and then a Daimler quadricycle (1889-1890).
         “However, the Daimler was not the first automobile powered by a gasoline engine. In 1884, Edouard Delamare-Deboutteville had already filed a similar patent. But this engineer from the Rouen School of Commerce and Industry was not an automobile enthusiast. He was far more attentive to mechanical achievements capable of modernizing the family cotton business, before being drawn to other interests.”

Nuff said!

Phuzz
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Phuzz
1 month ago

What’s also fascinating is the realization of just how uncommon flat-6 engines were when the Corvair was being developed

Isn’t that still the case? As far as I can think, the only companies making flat/boxer engines (with any number of cylinders) are Subaru and Porsche. And maybe some motorcycle manufacturers?
If VW hadn’t made so many of them in the past, they’d be almost as much an engineering dead-end curiosity as the rotary.

Ebeowulf17
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Ebeowulf17
1 month ago

I love this – I’m here for anything Corvair, all the time!

And this is a fun one. I already knew from one of my Corvair books that the engine (and other Corvair engineering) was first tested on Porsche vehicles, but I hadn’t thought about the 4 vs 6 cylinder side of things and the idea that Chevy kind of prototyped what Porsche would eventually build. Awesome!

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

Hark, the Herald Axles Swing.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 month ago

Glory to the piston rings.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

Ha! I never heard the second stanza! Thanks.

MarkC
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MarkC
1 month ago

This happened in the late 1950s, That GM tech that’s doing the engine swap in the picture is probably like 25 or 26 years old.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
1 month ago
Reply to  MarkC

Back when people aged like fresh berries…

MarkC
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MarkC
1 month ago
Reply to  Phonebem

All that red meat, cigarettes, whisky, and red meat.

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

Tucker beat them both technically. Though, wasn’t that engine water cooled in the end?

Ian McClure
Ian McClure
1 month ago
Reply to  JDE

But that was neither a Porsche engine or a Porsche body.

It's Pronounced Porch-ah
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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
1 month ago

I don’t mean to brag, but a few weeks ago TBQ was something like what is your favorite 911 or which one would you buy, and I asked if a Corvair counts as a type of 911…

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 month ago

Hang on, Hang on. I presume that they also used the Corvair transaxle in the 356, and didn’t just bolt the engine to the Porsche transaxle, since I doubt that they wanted to run their development engine backwards. I explained in a recent SBSD why that’s a problem, but, TL,DR, transmissions don’t like being run backwards, and Corvair engines run the opposite direction to VW, and by extension I presume, Porsche engines.

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Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 month ago

If your car is a German rwd boxer 6-cylinder with a tendency to oversteer and kill you, it’s an endearing classic.

If your car is an American rwd boxer 6-cylinder with a tendency to oversteer and kill you, it’s a scathing book, a lawsuit and a senate hearing.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 month ago

If that’s not a great analogy for the European vs US car industry, I don’t know what is

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

Porsche never used the Single swing arm setup the early corvairs did. the better issue would be the Senate BS after the rear suspension had been sorted to something akin to the corvette of the same era. no more rear tire tuck under in a corner, but still unsafe at any speed per an uninformed politician.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
1 month ago
Reply to  JDE

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the main crux of Unsafe at Any Speed more about the auto industry’s reaction (or inaction in many cases) to documented safety concerns than the actual cars themselves? I’ll admit I’ve never actually read the book although it is on my reading to-do list as a car enthusiast.

TK-421
TK-421
1 month ago

My dad drove a Corvair when he was dating my mom, sometime mid-60s. I wish I knew more about it, I only remember a trophy from the local drag strip.

Robert M
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Robert M
1 month ago

Too bad they didn’t make the Corvair with a proper sports car looking body. It might have taken off like the 911 did.

Jonee Eisen
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Jonee Eisen
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert M

They still sold 1.8 million Corvairs. That’s significantly more Corvairs in 9 years than Porsche has sold 911s in over 60.

MarkC
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MarkC
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert M

The Corvair styling was quite striking for the time; Paul at Curbside Classics has a great article on how the Corvair influenced automotive design for decades:

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/automotive-histories/the-1960-corvair-created-a-global-design-revolution-its-effects-can-still-be-seen/

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
1 month ago

I clicked on this article expecting some tenuous connection about how the Corvair was really the first something or other, but was completely unaware that GM used an actual Porsche as a testbed for their new engine. So Today I Learned at least one new thing!

Logan
Logan
1 month ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

If you want more tenuous connections, Curbside Classic did an article a decade or so ago that chronicled how there were like a dozen compact/subcompact European cars that basically just took the (original two door) Corvair styling and transposed it onto their own cars through the 1960s.

The Hillman Imp is probably the most obvious and blatant one, but I could see the arguments that were made there that the BMW Neue Klasse and 1602 were heavily informed by the Corvair’s styling as well

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Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
1 month ago
Reply to  Logan

I’d have to look up Imp pictures, but I can totally see Corvair in the Neue Klasse design.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  Logan

Don’t get Torch started – he has a flowchart ready on this subject.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago

That’s the one.

AnscoflexII
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AnscoflexII
1 month ago
Reply to  Logan

The NSU Prinz is also obviously Corvaspired

Cameron Huntsucker
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Cameron Huntsucker
1 month ago

I love the resolution to this article 🙂

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

My Mother had a ’62 or ’63 Corvair Coupe w the two-speed automatic.

For all the trouble the engine gave her – requiring frequent head gasket changes – she might as well have owned a Porsche…

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago

You’re no Shim Sham Flim Flam Scam Man, Man! You speak the truth! and always back it up with research I’ve never seen, or forgotten. Educational!
Of course you will always get a click from me, even though I share no love of beetle, that I expected you to move on from once 2CV entered.

Elhigh
Elhigh
1 month ago

What blows me away is that the Corvair engine almost certainly weighed less than the earlier 911 flat-sixes.

No wonder those Porsches were so tailhappy. They were designed for way less booty out back. There’s too much strudel in the caboodle.

Elhigh
Elhigh
1 month ago
Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

With the big trunk grafted on the back, it looks more like a 959 lol

SimpleFix
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SimpleFix
1 month ago

These are the articles that just make me love the Autopian. Good work, Torch!

Fredzy
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Fredzy
1 month ago

I love it when clickbait turns out to be something that made you happy you clicked. Like if you baited a fish to bite the hook with a worm, caught it, explained a really interesting fact to the fish about worms that it might remember for a while, then tossed it back in.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 month ago
Reply to  Fredzy

Just not Dory.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

Jason, you are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct!

JurassicComanche25
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JurassicComanche25
1 month ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I have no strong opinions one way or another.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

If you don’t survive, I’ll tell your wife “Hello”.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 month ago
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Don’t you worry about blank, let me worry about blank!

Griznant
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Griznant
1 month ago

You guys are going to make me crash my Slowmobile with this conversation.

SAABstory
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SAABstory
1 month ago

How about from the company that gave you the Chevette? Would that help? No?

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