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Robotaxis Are Ending Up With Disgusting Interiors And Sleeping People Because There Was Always More To A Taxi Than Just A Driver

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Robotaxis like those being operated by companies like Waymo, Zoox, and Tesla are pretty remarkable machines, when you think about it. While they’re far from perfect, these automated vehicles do perform the fundamentals of the task of driving with a competency that was nearly impossible to imagine even a single decade ago. And yet, in many situations, they still suck. Sometimes dramatically. But even leaving the actual process of driving aside, there are still other aspects where automated vehicles are struggling, and these situations and conditions are a reminder that a taxi has never been just about a vehicle that takes you from one place to another. There are more demands on the job that a human taxi driver performs, and they’re not always obvious.

A recent Bloomberg article highlights some of these issues, which include everything from people leaving messes in cars to riders leaving without closing doors (requiring companies to, hilariously, hire DoorDash drivers to come and close the damn doors) to the perhaps not-so-surprising issue of rousing sleeping passengers from cars.

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The Bloomberg article notes how common the sleeping passenger situation is by mentioning that Austin police and firefighters have a nickname for it:

So many robotaxi customers have nodded off in the midst of a ride that Austin police and firefighters even have a name for the incidents: “sleepers.” The Texas capital recorded 99 such calls in Waymo’s first nine months of service there, said Roger Patterson, a commander with Austin-Travis County Emergency Medical Services.

I’m not sure calling sleeping people “sleepers” really even qualifies as a clever nickname, though. That just feels like the first thing you’d think to call them?

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All of these issues stem, of course, from the fact that the human being who once captained a cab has been replaced by a bunch of printed circuit boards and a lot of software that in no way inhibits a human passenger from behaving in ways that are, perhaps, less than fully socially acceptable.

The truth is that, like a scary narcissistic dad, we all behave quite differently in the presence of other people than we do when we are alone, or when we are in what we consider to be a private space as opposed to a public space. A rideshare car like a Waymo is in a strange, blurry space when it comes to its status as public or private. If you’re alone in a Waymo or Tesla Cybercab or Zoox, it’s not that different than if you are alone in a strange, small room somewhere, only in these cases the room isn’t yours, it’s moving through a city on public roads, and it has windows all over it.

The thing is, of course, you’re not really alone. In all of these robotaxis, you’re being monitored remotely via cameras and microphones. That’s how, if you fall asleep in a Waymo after your ride, remote assistants can attempt to wake your ass up by, I suppose, yelling at you, but if this fails to rouse you, then those remote assistants have to treat every incident of a non-responsive passenger as a medical emergency, because what the hell else can they do?

A human cab driver, of course, would be able to wake you and get you out of the car, and could (likely) determine if you needed actual medical help. Of course, humans are unpredictable, so it’s also possible an unscrupulous cabbie could just drag you out of the car and leave you by a dumpster as you struggle to breathe or whatever, so perhaps there is some advantage to a more regimented system like what automated taxi companies use.

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There’s a lot more that a human presence does in a cab, too. Most people are a lot less likely to leave messes in a taxi if there’s a driver present, though wildcard messy events like vomiting can still happen, of course. Though, with a human driver, there’s a better chance you could scream PULL OVER PULL OVER I’M GONNA PUKE OH GOD I’M GONNA PUKE NO NO NO WHY HUNNGHHHULLGHHNGGH and hopefully they’d make it to the side of the road in time so you can open the door and yop, lavishly.

If you do make a mess in a robotaxi, you’ll get charged for it. Here’s Tesla’s Cybercab mess rules/charges, for example:

Why was I charged a cleaning fee?

We prioritize maintaining a clean and comfortable environment for all riders and promoting responsible rider behavior. To address incidents where vehicles require additional cleaning after a trip, we will assess the type and severity of the mess and apply the appropriate fee:

  • $50: Charged for moderate messes, such as food spills, significant dirt and minor stains

  • $150: Charged for severe messes, such as biowaste or smoking in the vehicle

Biowaste. Eww.

Though, I suppose it’s good to know how much it’d cost you to take a healthy, loamy dump in a Cybercab in case you wanted to work that into your budget or save up for an anniversary or birthday gift.

All of these issues stem from, of course, the fact that a taxi is really not just a vehicle. The human in the taxi does more than just drive the cab, even if those other tasks performed aren’t always obvious. Remember the incident where a couple of creepy dudes blocked a Waymo and harassed the women inside?

That was pretty messed up, and likely would not have happened if there was a human being driving that taxi.

None of what is happening here is a technological problem. It’s a human problem, and in that sense is a sort of mirror reflecting the bigger issues of recent technological changes and developments, especially regarding AI. All manner of technological advancements are being made, but there seems to be very little thought given to the human repercussions of these technological changes, which often have cultural impacts not planned or even considered by those pushing these new technologies.

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There’s no question these self-driving cars are impressive. But they’re also not the complete solution to this problem, because like anything that involves human beings, there’s a lot of subtleties and gray areas and unpredictable aspects to it. We’re not cargo that can be neatly shipped around in a robot. We’re messy, stupid, emotional, beautiful, drippy beings, full of fluids and feelings and bad ideas and remarkable abilities to sleep anywhere. We can engineer humans out of a system, but if that system is still designed to serve humans (not in the Twilight Zone way, just the normal way), then it’s very likely there will still be a need for actual humans in the loop.

I’m sure there are cultures, ones with a more collective focus, that can likely behave like mature adults in automated taxis and refrain from filling the cars full of trash and soaking the carpets in urine and at least trying to stay awake. But I’m not so sure that’s us.

 

 

 

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79 Burb-man
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79 Burb-man
2 minutes ago

So THAT’S why the taxi’s in Total Recall had a disembodied torso and head in the front of the cab! It’s all coming together now!

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
5 minutes ago

A waterproof interior with several high-pressure water nozzles seems like the solution to many of the problems listed here.

ClutchAbuse
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ClutchAbuse
15 minutes ago

Once I read “loamy” I knew who wrote this.

Jay Vette
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Jay Vette
16 minutes ago

So they can’t close their own doors or wake you up, but they can deliver you to the cops if they think you’re being a little naughty? I see where their priorities lie.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
17 minutes ago

Smelly cab, smelly cab, what a-hole peed in you?
Smelly cab, smelly cab, it’s not your fault.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
23 minutes ago

>Though, I suppose it’s good to know how much it’d cost you to take a healthy, loamy dump in a Cybercab in case you wanted to work that into your budget or save up for an anniversary or birthday gift.

Just in case this article wasn’t Torch enough.

Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
17 minutes ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

it’s the “loamy” that truly is the pickled herring on top.

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
11 seconds ago

I worry about his fiber intake. Or lack thereof?

Who Knows
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Who Knows
23 minutes ago

I’ve definitely realized over the years, going to automotive conferences, that most of the engineering work in the industry is for dealing with people.

Engineering for technical specifications- potentially difficult but doable.

Engineering for people and their unpredictive behaviors- just about impossible.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
23 minutes ago

People not closing the doors is a solved problem, every sliding-door minivan still on the market offers powered doors as a factory option and it can’t take much code to allow the self-driving system to operate it.

TK-421
TK-421
25 minutes ago

How long before someone decides these are cheaper than an ambulance ride and the taxi delivers more than a “sleeper”. Like very asleep.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
23 minutes ago
Reply to  TK-421

“Please don’t wake my friend. He’s dead tired”

TK-421
TK-421
18 minutes ago

“I need a ride to the morgue
That’s what 9-1-1 is for
So tag my toe and don’t forget
Ooh, to close the drawer” – Megadeth

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
10 minutes ago
Reply to  TK-421

Missed opportunity for “Ooh, to close the door”

RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
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RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
20 minutes ago
Reply to  TK-421

Or cheaper than a babysitter and chucks a child in there for a few hours with enough waypoints to give the parent time for a nap… Not that I’ve ever considered this… ever… OK, maybe once… once a week…

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
29 minutes ago

DoorDash or door bash, it’s an open and shut case.

Data
Data
30 minutes ago

Who knew DoorDash would be so appropriately named?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
26 minutes ago
Reply to  Data

Perfection!

Boulevard_Yachtsman
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Boulevard_Yachtsman
40 minutes ago

As I recall, JohnnyCab handled sleeping passengers just fine.

Data
Data
32 minutes ago

I’m not familiar with that address. Would you please repeat the destination? Please state a street and number!

10001010
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10001010
41 minutes ago

You know those massage chairs they have in the mall where you pay $2 for like 5 mins of rollers and vibrators making your back and neck feel worse rather than better? Have you ever just sat in one of those without slipping any dollars in? You can sit there for about 2 or 3 minutes but then it extends all of its rollers and literally pushes you out of the damn chair. Robotaxis could do this same thing, we have the technology!

Mechanical Pig
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Mechanical Pig
33 minutes ago
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I didn’t know those have a “kick people out” feature. Whenever I see them, there’s always people just sitting in them playing on their phone, it’s never turned on, and I wondered how those things possibly make any money.

I actually saw the “solution” at the airport not too long ago. It was a glass box that had one of those massage chairs, as well as a little desk, outlets, ect, but you had to pay to unlock the door and you could choose how much time you wanted. But what if you overstay your time? Does it deploy tear gas or a cattle prod from the chair to motivate you to leave?

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
25 minutes ago
Reply to  Mechanical Pig

Neurotoxin. Courtesy of GLaDOS.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
22 minutes ago

And then they call a DoorDash driver to deal with the body.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
17 minutes ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

They charge the credit card before termination, of course. Added $150 fee.

Last edited 17 minutes ago by Twobox Designgineer
My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
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My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
42 minutes ago

I’m almost certain the captains of the tech industry and business consider ‘People’ inconveniences to distract from the ‘Line Go Up’ thing.

Which makes one wonder if these captains are even human themselves.

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
41 minutes ago

It’s all about greed and making the most money.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
21 minutes ago
Reply to  Burt Curry

Greed plus ambition minus ethics minus empathy.

RAMbunctious
RAMbunctious
29 minutes ago

I genuinely believe that these people have a hard time seeing anyone not in their peer group as actual human beings.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
25 minutes ago
Reply to  RAMbunctious

I don’t think they see their peers as human beings either tbh

79 Burb-man
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79 Burb-man
4 seconds ago
Reply to  RAMbunctious

I think they believe they are beings that have moved beyond being human.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
44 minutes ago

So you’re saying that Tech-Bros have no idea how the real world works?
No kiddin’?

V10omous
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V10omous
49 minutes ago

Need to find a way for the taxi company to display an AI-powered video screen with the rider’s mother watching and commenting disapprovingly when shenanigans start to take place.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
44 minutes ago
Reply to  V10omous

This is an appropriate use of AI I can get behind! Also could add an escalation matrix that calls your actual mother should things escalate too far.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
52 minutes ago

I don’t think I’ve ever seen poop described as ‘loamy’ before. Bravo!

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
5 minutes ago
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Are you new here?

Clark B
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Clark B
52 minutes ago

I detailed cars for over 15 years and knew messes would be a problem the minute these taxis hit the roads. So many people treat their own car, that they paid for with their hard earned money, like a dumpster on wheels. If that’s how they are in their own car, imagine how gross they’re gonna leave driverless taxis.

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