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Why All Japanese Automakers May Have To Become Like Toyota To Survive

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When I first started in this industry, China was looked at as a golden goose. A huge source of profits that would seemingly never go away and partially paper over whatever shortcoming Japanese, American, or German automakers faced at home. Now that the last finger of the monkey’s paw has curled, everyone views the rise of the Chinese auto industry as an enormous threat.

The Morning Dump will be another global tour in the style of Phileas Fogg and, like that country-hopping figure, we won’t be staying in any one place too long. Our final destination is China, as China is the source of all this consternation, and in true Verne-style, we’ll be heading from east to west (though we won’t gain a day, sorry). The first stop is Japan, and the Japanese car industry’s main industrial group sees standardization as the key, but whose standard should be used?

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Canadian auto dealers were intrigued by the idea of having affordable Chinese cars to sell, as the market has previously hosted cheap Russian and French cars, though some are beginning to have cold feet. Volkswagen’s leadership, facing the risk of Chinese cars, isn’t backing down, and we may see a shareholder vote soon.

You know who also hates competing with Chinese automakers? Chinese automakers. For all the disruptions these companies cause, a brutal price war has obliterated profitability for most of them.

‘Unless Things Change, We Will Not Survive’

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When Koji Sato was sidelined as CEO of Toyota and put in a new role within the company, he got the additional responsibility of becoming the national car czar for Japan and head of the Japanese Automobile Manufacturers Association. Out of the konro into the fire, right?

As the Toyota Times reported back in April, JAMA sees the threat of China as an existential one and has a seven-point plan for reorganizing the country’s future that looks at balancing cooperation with competition:

Reflecting on the traditional role of industry associations, Chairman Sato noted that past efforts had been largely reactive, built around the initiatives of individual companies. He emphasized the need to identify and advance areas for collaboration, while maintaining competition among companies.

While the Honda-Nissan-Mitsubishi panic of 2024 was technically precipitated by a Taiwanese company (ROC v PRC), it was indicative of the musical chairs problem at the heart of the global automotive industry. While China was content to only occupy a couple of seats via joint ventures, it provided dozens of open chairs in the form of customers. Now that China wants to fill more seats it’s forced everyone else to fight for what’s left.

Cooperation makes sense, and one of the most interesting parts of the JAMA proposal is the idea of a standard for major parts. While there are still only a handful of companies making, say, an ECU (Bosch, Denso, ZF, MMC, et cetera), these suppliers cover a huge range of specs created for different companies. This is different from how the Chinese car industry operates, where a more centralized set of suppliers make parts to narrower specs. For this reason, a lot of Chinese cars feel similar because a lot of them essentially share similar (or identical) brakes, control arms, struts, et cetera.

Hans Greimel got to ask Sato about this in a recent interview, and learned a little about this “Japanese standard” that would include steel, plastics, wiring harnesses, and a lot of the stuff that goes into a car:

“Right now, the most important theme facing the Japanese auto industry is improving ‘international competitiveness,’” Sato said in a July 7 interview, his first with international media since kicking off the initiative in January. “We aim to strategically create ‘areas of cooperation’ to improve efficiency, thereby accelerating coexistence in the essential ‘areas of competition.’”

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At Toyota’s annual supplier meeting in March, Sato told parts makers to double down on cost control, cooperate on innovative technologies and look outside the traditional auto industry for new partners.

“Unless things change, we will not survive,” Sato said.

Nissan’s new CEO Ivan Espinosa agrees that there should be a lot more cooperation and generally supports this move, but there’s a fun quote later on in the article I think is important to address:

“Given Toyota’s size, I have a feeling that what ends up being the JAMA specification will really be the Toyota spec,” said Christopher Richter, head Asia auto analyst at CLSA in Tokyo. “I wonder how successful they will be in getting everyone to fall in line.”

In addition to Lexus, Toyota wholly owns Daihatsu and is a partial owner of Subaru and Mazda via an equity sharing agreement that has paved the way for those automakers to use Toyota’s hybrid systems (and Toyota to use Mazda’s red paint). With Toyota the most successful automaker in the world, and with much of the Japanese auto industry using Toyota components, it seems obvious that many of these standards will follow what Toyota wants and everyone will have to adapt.

That’s not a bad thing, necessarily, as the cost savings for companies like Nissan and Honda could be enormous, but the centralization of technology and production can lead to some less fun outcomes (remember what happened when just about everyone used Takata airbags?) and might reduce the number of suppliers, which leads to less competition.

A potential end of this is just that every automaker in Japan either becomes Toyota directly (via shared ownership) or at least Toyota-like indirectly via shared standards.

The Reward Of Chinese Cars Runs Into The Risk For Canadian Dealers

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If you’re a Canadian Lotus dealer, for instance, bringing in a Chinese-built Lotus Eletre isn’t that big of a deal. Plenty of carmakers have brought in Chinese-built cars in the past, under the banner of existing OEMs. What about Chinese brands? With the opening up of the Canadian market to a medium number of Chinese cars, dealers were first excited about these cars, but are now starting to express doubts.

Via Automotive News:

Six months after Ottawa lifted its 100-per-cent tariff on 49,000 EV imports from China in 2026, dealers in Canada have discovered steep challenges to offset their initial exuberance, said Samir Akhavan, managing director of buys-sell brokerage Templeton Marsh.

“The bloom is off the rose.”

While China EVs are “exceptional,” the product is only one piece of the puzzle, Akhavan said.

“What about OEM relations? What about getting your warranty paid? What about service? What about a business plan? There are so many things that are even today undefined that I just can’t see this being a worthwhile proposition — not now.”

This issue isn’t new, and it comes up basically every time a new country enters the market. The difference is that most countries are not China, which can choose to flout international norms whenever it wants to, and the Canadian market is more a test case for entering the US Market than the goal in-and-of-itself. Someone is going to take the risk, though, and to them might come a big reward.

If It Goes To A Shareholder Meeting, You Know Ish Just Got Real

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The last few TMDs have included the frantic goings on in Wolfsburg, as CEO Oliver Blume makes big proposals and faces big opposition. Why is Blume doing this? As Manager Magazin explains, China is coming and VW isn’t competitive enough:

Blume and CFO Arno Antlitz (56), the driving forces behind the transformation project, fear that the impending export surge from China will jeopardize their future business in Europe as well. Over the next ten years, Volkswagen could, at best, maintain its current production level of nine million vehicles per year. A decline to seven or eight million is considered more likely by the company’s strategists, according to sources close to its top management, and preparations are underway.

Both VW’s union and the government of Lower Saxony essentially have a veto over any major change Volkswagen wants to make, and neither want massive job cuts. There is a way to get around that, though:

When a company’s survival is threatened, the board of directors is permitted to convene an unscheduled shareholders meeting and hold a vote on proposals such as the transformation package. This option has been under discussion in Wolfsburg for some time. Now, sources within the company are expressing at least partial support, stating that the board must always be prepared for various scenarios. It is practically an obligation to examine this possibility.

If that happens it means that the scheiße has truly hit der ventilator.

Chinese Car Companies Profits Go Missing

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Chinese car companies are indirectly subsidized by the government, and while those subsidies are starting to go away, a big chunk of why Chinese cars are cheaper is because they have to be. There’s been a brutal price war in China, which has caused a lot of problems.

As Nikkei Asia reports, a big one is that the automakers largely aren’t making money:

Rising materials costs are denting the bottom lines of price war-plagued Chinese electric vehicle makers while their suppliers are reaping big gains, the latest earnings guidance filings show.

BAIC BluePark New Energy Technology, a unit of state-owned Beijing Auto focused on what China calls new energy vehicles, said Monday night that its net loss for the first six months will be in the range of 1.77 billion yuan to 1.97 billion yuan ($261 million to $291 million). This is only marginally better than the 2.33 billion yuan net loss for the same period a year ago, even though production rose nearly 38%, to 93,670 vehicles, and sales rose 7.3%, to 98,895 cars.

The Shanghai-listed automaker attributed the continued losses to “the influence of price movements in upstream raw materials and the cost pressures that the sector universally faces.”

This follows similar announcements by peers such as Seres Group, the EV partner of telecommunications company Huawei. The Hong Kong- and Shanghai-listed automaker said Sunday that it expects to record a net loss of 1.5 billion yuan to 1.8 billion yuan for the first half, reversing from a net profit of 2.94 billion yuan a year earlier.

What the Chinese auto industry has accomplished is incredible and I don’t wish to shortchange the work the country has done advancing EV technology, but Chinese automakers aren’t magic. They’ve had a huge advantage in the form of government support and now they need Western markets for exports to help rationalize all of this. The negotiation of this inherent tension between what China needs and wants versus the rest of the world is the central concept that will define the future of the industry for the next 20 years.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

Wet Leg’s ‘Moisturizer’ was one of my most listened to albums last year, and the recently released deluxe edition includes a horsegiirL remix of “CPR,” one of my favorite tracks off that album. Please enjoy.

The Big Question

Which Japanese automaker do you most want to survive?

Top photo: Toyota, Honda, Nissan

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10001010
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10001010
1 minute ago

I wouldn’t mind more shared parts. When I had my Eagle Talon I regularly shopped the Mitz part counter instead of Eagle because they usually had the parts in stock. Also if a part was shared with a more common car, like the Mirage, I’d order that because it was cheaper due to not having the “sports car tax markup” even though it was the same part. Then I found that Hyundai licensed certain designs from Mitz and their parts were compatible too and waayyyyy cheaper. If all the automakers used more modular and interchangeable designs it would make repairs much easier.

Huja Shaw
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Huja Shaw
2 minutes ago

If the unions and Lower Saxony have their way, VW will simply die rather than having some limbs amputated and living a longer (albeit less dynamic) life. Current workers can only see their own livelihoods in the crosshairs (that’s not a judgement on them, it’s human nature) and the regional government officials need to please the current voting populous to stay in office – they also need the economic engine of factories employing citizens.

The shareholder end-around is desperate option, but one that needs to happen.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
3 minutes ago

TBQ: Suzuki

damnit!

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 minutes ago

Is Toyota implying that China is ahead because all the brands share common parts?
And, reading between the lines, there was resistance not to?

A common part number that I can get anywhere for any brand would be far more than ideal – it’s a wet dream for a business like Rock Auto, or NAPA. Chinese companies are certainly doing good things for the consumer, here.

Huja Shaw
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Huja Shaw
5 seconds ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

It’s probably a combo of many things. Yeah, Toyota can make a business case that standardization is a rising tide that will lift all ships . . . but it’s also a power play within the Japanese auto manufacturing eco-system that will give them more say in the direction of their industry.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
15 minutes ago

I’ve traditionally been a Honda guy. From scooters to business jets, they make interesting stuff and usually do it very well. Accordingly (sorry), I currently have a ’17 Accord in my garage. It may well outlast me. My son and his wife have a Mazda CX-5 and a Subaru Outback. Both are relatively new. Time will tell how well those hold up.

Toyota has gone through a phase where the front styling is just too ugly to contemplate. If the newish Prius is signaling a change of direction, style wise, maybe one of their products will interest me. A Nissan Sentra I rented last year surprised me by how much I liked it.

So, that’s all to say I don’t really have a favorite anymore. Maybe Honda if I have to pick one. I was sad to see Suzuki leave the US market. And I hope Mitsubishi manages to hold on somehow.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
17 minutes ago

Toyota is a big customer for us, and we have Nissan, Honda, Mazda/Subaru too. I agree with the article that the others have to align to what Toyota do, they are the most successful business in our organization. It would be easier for us as suppliers to deal with common designs and parts usage, and Toyota is very good doing validations and following processes in general. As long each brand keeps their own touch like Mazda focused on driving, Subaru in the outdoors vibe, etc.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 minute ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

Having worked with the US-three, some of the Euro brands, and some of the Japanese brands:

The Worst: Stellantis/FCA and is quickly followed by GM for completely different reasons.

Euro brands have their issues, sure, but leaps and bounds ahead of the American-three.

The Japanese brands are, however, simply a breath of fresh air.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
18 minutes ago

Toyota makes great cars. That’s all they need 🙂

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
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My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
32 minutes ago

The number of Japanese automakers is completely out of whack for their market size because those automakers hugely rely on global export markets to prop up their operations.

The Chinese automakers have gobbled up market share in countries that have no domestic automakers to protect. Favouring one foreign import manufacturer over another essentially confers no benefit to the local economy, especially when the Chinese automakers can produce at such low cost. Might as well get ‘the cheapest’ in that case, even if ‘the cheapest’ is subsidized by someone else (itself another can of worms).

Smaller Japanese automakers will find life increasingly difficult. The good news: They’re all kind of moving to generic pablum mobiles already, so the actual differences between Honda/Toyota/Mazda/Subaru/Nissan/Mitsubishi are just vague nostalgia pangs in the minds of old-timers.

The days of screaming Honda engines, Mazda rotaries, Nissan Skylines, rally-inspired Mitsubishi Lancers and Subaru WRXs have come and gone. They all peddle blob-mobiles of various blandness. Ironically, Toyota is probably the last ‘enthusiast’ holdout with its GR line.

The reckoning cometh for Japan and right soon.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
16 minutes ago

And why are the Japanese exports so successful? Because they’re just great cars (except Subaru LOL)

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
32 minutes ago

“the scheiße has truly hit der ventilator”….or as we said at my last job, when the defection hits the rotary oscillator.

Zipn Zipn
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Zipn Zipn
43 minutes ago

Thanks for the update Matt.

My first thought regarding consolidation of parts for the Japanese automotive industry is having the manufacturers all move to a common 48v architecture. Share development and production cost for electronics, lights, motors, switches, can bus modules, etc. high end stereos would get a huge boost by going to 48v as well.

We’re long past time to get away from 12v and go to the efficiency higher voltage / lower amps route. If they all (Toyota) did it, the R and D could be shared and would also be a nice differentiator in the global market.

…. Oh, and they could all share Mazdas spinning Dorito range extender for the next gen EREVs too.

Last edited 41 minutes ago by Zipn Zipn
Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
45 minutes ago

Can’t wait to check out the new Toyondasans!

Yzguy
Yzguy
25 minutes ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Hoping they’re as good or better than the Thundercougarfalconbird!

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
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My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
23 minutes ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Try Stellantis first.

Richard Truett
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Richard Truett
47 minutes ago

This is the template for what Sato is talking about, CATARC.
https://www.china-certification.com/en/glossary/china-automotive-technology-research-center-catarc/
Looks like legacy automakers will have to create some version of CATARC to drive down component costs and compete with the Chinese.

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