Home » The Bronco Sport Seems To Be The Biggest Three-Cylinder Passenger Car In Automotive History

The Bronco Sport Seems To Be The Biggest Three-Cylinder Passenger Car In Automotive History

Broncosport 3 Top

I bet you’ve found yourself in this position: you’re sitting at an outdoor cafe, a hoagie in one hand and a sock puppet in the other, because you hate eating alone. As you’re happily feeding your puppet friend finger-bites of hoagie, a man frantically approaches you, knocking over chairs and children and climbing onto your table. He seizes your face in both his hands, brings his face nose-to-nose with yours, and demands, loudly, “Tell me what the biggest three-cylinder car is!”

Now, usually when this happens, most of us will mutter something like “a Wartburg?” and then pepper-spray ourselves to freedom, taking off running in the opposite direction of the three-cylinder weirdo before he can recover to ask you again.

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

I may take issue with the methods, but the three-cylinder questioning vigilante brings up a good, and, let’s be honest, important question: what is the largest passenger car ever to rock a three-banger?

Cs Wartburg2

I wasn’t really kidding about the Wartburg guess there; the Wartburg 353 Tourist wasn’t exactly a small car, especially by the standards of three-cylinder cars. I think by far the most common three-cylinder engine type used in passenger cars – there are likely some large, weird diesel three-cylinder engines, so I’m not counting those – were two-stroke threes, the kind pioneered by DKW.

Cs King Dkwad

DKW’s two-stroke three was a very clever engine design, with minimal moving parts and good fuel economy, with the added plus of being smoky enough to give everywhere you idle a certain moody, noir-film-like feel. A number of other cars adopted this engine design, like the aforementioned East German Wartburgs, and companies like Saab, which adapted the design for most of their early cars.

Cs Saabjoy Cutaway

But none of these cars was especially large. It wasn’t until the advent of the modern re-emergence of three-cylinder engines that we actually saw some larger vehicles using them. I think the two best candidates for Largest Three-Cylinder Gasoline-Powered Passenger Car are the Chevy Trax and the Ford Bronco Sport.

Here’s a Trax:

2026 Chevy Trax 1 Large

…and here’s a Bronco Sport:

Preproduction Bronco Sport Free Wheeling With Optional Equipment Shown
Photo credit: Ford

Between the two, the Bronco Sport is a good bit larger: about 3 inches wider, nine inches taller, 500 pounds heavier, all that. And it’s still definitely a three-cylinder engine under the hood! I counted, even:

Broncosport 3 Engine

I’m pretty sure the Bronco Sport has to be the largest mass-produced passenger vehicle ever to rock a gas-powered three-pot engine. Everything else is Suzuki Swifts or Festivas or Mirages or whatever, all small city cars.

But I could be wrong. The BMW i8, for example, has a three-cylinder engine as part of its hybrid drivetrain; it’s smaller than the Bronco Sport, but by some metrics, just barely. The Bronco Sport weighs 3,458 pounds, while the i8 is 3,455 pounds – only 3 pounds lighter! I’ve made sandwiches bigger than that!

So maybe there is some other unit of a three-banger I’m forgetting? Or does the Bronco Sport deserve the prize here? Please, help me think this through in the comments so I can finally get some sleep!

Top graphic image: Jason Torchinsky

 

Share on facebook
Facebook
Share on whatsapp
WhatsApp
Share on twitter
Twitter
Share on linkedin
LinkedIn
Share on reddit
Reddit
Subscribe
Notify of
183 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
MrLM002
Member
MrLM002
22 days ago

Back in the day I would have bought an Ecosport if it was available with a manual, they never made one.

I would have bought an Bronco Sport if it was available a manual.

Now I got a family too big for either.

Dave
Member
Dave
22 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

You avoided a giant turd

MrLM002
Member
MrLM002
21 days ago
Reply to  Dave

Yep, still would have bought it at the time though. I liked it having a full size spare option.

Space
Space
21 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

The regular Bronco (Bronco III? ) has a manual, is it big enough?

Last edited 21 days ago by Space
MrLM002
Member
MrLM002
21 days ago
Reply to  Space

4 Door would probably work, but if you want a manual you’re stuck with the 2.3L I4.

Red865
Member
Red865
21 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

My brother had a Ecosport as a rental with the 1.0L ecoboost. It had a tough time going up the really steep hill on the way to our house. I liked the compact size, but it didn’t really get much better fuel mileage than the larger Escape??

Weirdly, I’ve been seeing an increasing number of these Ecosports lately in my area, like a fleet company dump a bunch of them for cheap.

Lithiumbomb
Member
Lithiumbomb
22 days ago

“Everything else is Suzuki Swifts or Festivas or Mirages or whatever, all small city cars.”

Point of order, Festivas had a 1.3L Mazda-derived 4 banger. Sounded like a real car compared to my friend’s 3 cyl Geo Metro.

TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
22 days ago
Reply to  Lithiumbomb

Now I’m picturing a bar brawl between rabid Festiva and Metro fanboys… which sounds like something that would happen in a Torch article.

Lithiumbomb
Member
Lithiumbomb
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

He and I had a funny back and forth with our tin cans. His Metro had the 1.0L 3 cylinder, and was lighter and had more power than my Festiva. It was clearly faster but man it felt _cheap_. My Festiva was slower and less fun to drive but seemed to share that 1980s Mazda build quality and felt like a real car. Both cars were reliable and took a huge amount of abuse though.

TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
22 days ago
Reply to  Lithiumbomb

As it happens I have one friend who owns a clean 1.0L Metro, and another who annually hosts the largest gathering of Ford Festivas east of the Mississippi. I should really get them together sometime.

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

I owned a Metro. I would have given a non-essential toe for another cylinder.

Abdominal Snoman
Member
Abdominal Snoman
22 days ago

Let me guess, the middle toe?

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
22 days ago

Probably the 4th toe. The one next to the little toe. Middle toe is usefule for balance.

1978fiatspyderfan
Member
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

Yeah but not a real bar brawl I’m thinking a 3 stooges bar brawl with cream pies or the nerdy slappy with both hands type brawl.

J.O.
J.O.
22 days ago

Renault sells a 1.2 3 banger Duster in Latam

Younork
Younork
22 days ago
Reply to  J.O.

Rode in several Dusters as Ubers when I was in Colombia. Of all the econboxes down there, for some reason, I had a soft spot for the Duster. A pleasant little vehicle that doesn’t feel like it’s trying too hard, but also isn’t a complete tin can.

TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
22 days ago
Reply to  Younork

I saw quite a few when I was in Chile a couple months ago, but didn’t get to ride in one.

755_SoCalRally
Member
755_SoCalRally
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

Is Chile not an automotive wonderland? I saw so many fantastic cars there that I’ve not seen other places…like a huge melting pot of random vehicles.

EXL500
Member
EXL500
22 days ago
Reply to  755_SoCalRally

Unrelated but not: apparently Chile has the most species of birds in the world, and it’s a big tourist attraction.

TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
21 days ago
Reply to  EXL500

I was most amused by the stray dogs. They are numerous, but extremely well behaved. They stroll through the city with purpose, like they have places to be. And the best part is they cross the street at crossswalks and…get this.. THEY WAIT FOR THE LIGHT.

EXL500
Member
EXL500
21 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

How cool!

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Member
Grey alien in a beige sedan
22 days ago

Torch, please post pictures of these bigger-than-a-bronco-sport sammiches. I’m both hungry and curious.

Torque
Torque
21 days ago

I assumed Torch was implying he’s made sandwiches larger than the difference in weight between the Broncos spirt & the i8, i.e. 3 lbs, which that would be one honker of a sandwich.
Now a sandwich bigger than a bronco sport… that would be interesting, especially with a side of a wheel barrow of shrimp

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Member
Grey alien in a beige sedan
21 days ago
Reply to  Torque

And a 5-gallon Menards bucket filled with cocktail sauce.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
22 days ago

If we’re including hybrids, I propose the Li Auto One luxury 3-row crossover. It’s an EREV powered by a 1.2L turbo making 129hp, and is 5020mm (197.6in) long with a 2930mm (115.6in) wheelbase and weighs 2,300kg (5,070lb). Of course it’s powered by a 40.6kWh battery (weighing est. 285kg/600lb), but once the 155km of WLTP range runs out it’s all on the 3 banger. It was the top complaint about the model, which is why all subsequent models use a 1.5L turbo I4. It ended production in 2022 so it doesn’t count as being on sale right now, but it’s still part of the modern era and was on sale concurrently with the Bronco Sport and Nissan Rogue.

There’s a chance that I’m forgetting some older Geely PHEV model which uses some version of the Volvo-Geely I3, or one of those super cheap Wuling vans.

Last edited 22 days ago by Needles Balloon
Gurpgork
Gurpgork
22 days ago

 …only 3 pounds lighter! I’ve made sandwiches bigger than that!

You opened the door Jason, so what’s your go-to sandwich?

Last edited 22 days ago by Gurpgork
TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
22 days ago

FYI I had an Italian Club from Jersey Mike’s for the first time in years today… they seem to have upped their game.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

I’ve had sandwiches from JM’s a few times, and they’re pretty solid. If you’re on the West Coast, it’d be in your best interest to pay a visit to Ike’s Love and Sandwiches. Their Adam Richman is a phenomenal sandwich.

755_SoCalRally
Member
755_SoCalRally
22 days ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

SoCal resident here: Can confirm about Ike’s Sandwiches. Very good!

Dave
Member
Dave
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

#9. Always.

Scott Alan Finkeldei
Member
Scott Alan Finkeldei
22 days ago

A reasonable trifecta! I would go with Reuben, quality Italian sub, classic BLT (but has to be actual tomatoes and not the store blandness) with real, thick cut bacon.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
22 days ago

Solid choices all! I love a tuna melt with black coffee on a cold overcast day.

Gen3 Volt
Member
Gen3 Volt
22 days ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

Ah, memories.

I’d ALWAYS get a tuna melt after XC skiing in the ‘Gunks in NY state. I’d basically inhale the thing in about five minutes.

Did my heart good to check The Google and learn that the Plaza Diner is still there in New Paltz, waiting for me, more than 25 years after I moved away.

I don’t think I’ve had the heart to order one of those sandwiches since those days. It wouldn’t be the same.

Last edited 22 days ago by Gen3 Volt
Gurpgork
Gurpgork
22 days ago
Reply to  Gen3 Volt

You should go! Maybe it’s the same, maybe it’s different, mayhap it’s better!

Gen3 Volt
Member
Gen3 Volt
21 days ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

Ok. I’ll face my fears if I’m headed up that way again.

1978fiatspyderfan
Member
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

How about a grilled ham and cheese with tomato soup or clam chowder with shrimp ettoufee?

1978fiatspyderfan
Member
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago

At 3 pounds I’m thinking a Dagwood, but a nice hoagie wouldn’t suck. Screw that tuna fish. I mean a 3 pound sandwich with diet food for filler? Are we not me

EXL500
Member
EXL500
22 days ago

Tuna melt for the win!

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
22 days ago
Reply to  EXL500

Just so much comfort.

ShifterCar
ShifterCar
21 days ago

We can tell Jason is a truly cosmopolitan man of the world – within one article and comments he references hoagies, sandwiches, melts, and subs.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
21 days ago
Reply to  ShifterCar

While tactfully avoiding mentioning Wawa or Sheetz. Truly a master of journalism!

MaximillianMeen
Member
MaximillianMeen
21 days ago

Your lack of sliced bbq brisket sammy disappoints me. Plus these are pretty easy to get over 3 lbs.

Clupea Hangoverus
Member
Clupea Hangoverus
22 days ago

Is van a car? Ford made Transit/Tourneo Phev with the 1.0 Ecoboost.
Stellantis crammed the 1.2 puretech into various crossovers, including 7-seater Peugeot 5008. Also vans, Citroen Berlingo (and the same basic car as Peugeot, Opel, Vauxhall, Toyota(!)).

Last edited 22 days ago by Clupea Hangoverus
James McHenry
Member
James McHenry
22 days ago

The thing is, while the Bronco Sport might be a big vehicle with a triple, said triple is smaller than the Triumph Rocket 3’s massive nearly 2.5l unit. Which I’m pretty sure is the largest displacement road-legal 3…In The World.

Mike Harrell
Member
Mike Harrell
22 days ago
Reply to  James McHenry

The 1905 Rolls-Royce 15 hp has a three-liter three-cylinder engine. There are some other sizable early three-cylinder cars, too, but I’m not aware of any that weigh more than a Bronco Sport.

Last edited 22 days ago by Mike Harrell
1978fiatspyderfan
Member
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago
Reply to  Mike Harrell

I bet they all were heavier due to alloys and manufacturing techniques

PBL
PBL
21 days ago

Yeah, also size. A Rolls of that era was much longer than a Bronco Sport. According to webs, the chassis weighs over 2k lbs alone, and total weight depended on the bodywork attached.

James McHenry
Member
James McHenry
21 days ago
Reply to  Mike Harrell

…yeah, I have a massive gap in knowledge of anything pre WWI. And Luxury.

Aaronaut
Member
Aaronaut
22 days ago

I always enjoy the chaotic and vaguely-violent set ups for Torch’s random-ass articles like this.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
22 days ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

In Torch’s world, there’s always someone running up to him in a panic shouting a question like Doc Brown would.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
22 days ago

So, cultural differences-wise, it makes you wonder if in the event you are going to meet Torch IRL, if that is the appropriate way to introduce yourself.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
22 days ago

“WHAT’S THE CORRECT WAY TO REMOVE SWOLLEN LEAD-ACID BATTERIES FROM A CONTAINER????”

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
Member
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
22 days ago

“There’s that word again. “Heavy.” Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth’s gravitational pull?”

1978fiatspyderfan
Member
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago

Funny thing is he doesn’t really look ???? like a guy you would ask questions unless it was directions to the nearest soup kitchen. Lol

Torque
Torque
21 days ago

This doesn’t happen to you?
Weird 🙂

DNF
DNF
22 days ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

Like it doesn’t happen to everyone at some point!

V10omous
Member
V10omous
22 days ago
Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
22 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

I saw Montana and for a moment thought that Pontiac put a 3-cyl into a large minivan at some point in some market.

V10omous
Member
V10omous
22 days ago

Honestly, in my searching through GM 3 cylinder applications, I was surprised how many familiar names were/are reused in foreign markets.

Tracker, Monza, Cavalier, and Montana are all models using just the current generation of 3 cylinder engines.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
22 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

That’s a lot of name recycling, but why not I guess.

Montana is an objectively great name for just about anything large. My personal favorite being the Big Montana (Arby’s). I’m not sure this small Trax-based pickup should use it though. Gives me more Delaware vibes.

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
22 days ago

Dammit! now I’m craving Arbys.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
21 days ago

I’m a fan. So much so that my son was referred to as Big Montana for a while. My wife put an end to that though.

Autonerdery
Member
Autonerdery
22 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

We got picked up by a Cavalier at the Mexico City airport a couple of years ago. Before that I hadn’t been in one since 1991!

Disphenoidal
Member
Disphenoidal
22 days ago

Does a V6 running in limp mode count?

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
22 days ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

I guess it depends on how the ECU handles limp mode?

Alexk98
Member
Alexk98
22 days ago

This also raises fun philosophical counters, such as the smallest ever V12 powered car sold to the public. Early F1 cars with the footprint of a shoebox with V12’s under 2 liters obviously not counting.

Last edited 22 days ago by Alexk98
V10omous
Member
V10omous
22 days ago
Reply to  Alexk98

I would guess this is it unless someone can find a smaller one.

Sub 2000 lb curb weight + V12 can’t be common.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_166_Inter

For that matter, neither can a V12 with 2 digit horsepower.

Last edited 22 days ago by V10omous
Alexk98
Member
Alexk98
22 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

95″ wheelbase and 155″ length is going to be hard to beat alone, but 55″ width is tiny!

EXL500
Member
EXL500
22 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Yes, the evolution of the 125 and 159.

EXL500
Member
EXL500
22 days ago
Reply to  Alexk98

The first postwar Ferrari sports racer, the 125S, had a 1.5 liter V-12. It dominated almost immediately.

4moremazdas
Member
4moremazdas
22 days ago

and then pepper-spray ourselves to freedom

Not knowing for sure whether this means I’ve pepper sprayed the perpetrator or myself to get to freedom in this situation is why I read Torch’s stuff. Because in this situation it is just as plausible to imagine the sock-puppet handed hero blasting himself in the face with pepper spray and shocking the three-cylinder weirdo with the absurdity of it all.

DNF
DNF
22 days ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Pretty easy for everyone to end up spicier.

Beer-light Guidance
Member
Beer-light Guidance
22 days ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Both

Remanebamus
Member
Remanebamus
22 days ago

The Indian market Mahindra Bolero SUV comes with a 3 cylinder diesel and it’s a 7-seater (officially).

Diego
Diego
22 days ago

What about the 2015-18 Mondeo Wagon 1.0 Turbo? That thing was some 4.9 meters (191.6”) long and 1.85 meter (72.9″) wide

Last edited 22 days ago by Diego
Spopepro
Member
Spopepro
22 days ago
Reply to  Diego

I think it’s maybe a little shorter and narrower, but similarly you could get the 1.0L i3 in the Grand C-Max, which is a lot of car for that motor.

Diego
Diego
22 days ago
Reply to  Spopepro

I forgot about the Grand C-Max having the 1.0 EB as an option. But about the dimensions, the Bronco Sport is 4.39m (172.7”) long and 1.89m (74.3″) wide.

GreatFallsGreen
Member
GreatFallsGreen
22 days ago
Reply to  Diego

I was looking for a Mondeo mention. And if we talk biggest as in weight, the Bronco Sport might be heavier, but in a power-to-weight sense I think the Mondeo would take the title.

Last edited 22 days ago by GreatFallsGreen
Clupea Hangoverus
Member
Clupea Hangoverus
22 days ago

Mondeo with 1.0 Ecoboost. Yes, Fusion.

Dr.Xyster
Dr.Xyster
22 days ago

Wonder if the ‘Egg is ever going to figure out a used for their “TFG” Camless 3-cyl? They designed it for the Gamera, but then everyone wanted the V8 instead.

So, now they have a completed 3-cyl engine that makes 600HP and isn’t used by anything.

Banana Stand Money
Member
Banana Stand Money
22 days ago
Reply to  Dr.Xyster

Was going to say the Gemera, which is longer, wider, and significantly heavier – although certainly not taller or roomier inside. TFG never officially made it to production though.

RataTejas
RataTejas
22 days ago

Engine to overall mass, Triumph Rocket III with 2500cc has a bit of giddy-up. A little over 800cc per cylinder.

MostlyRedCars
Member
MostlyRedCars
22 days ago

It’s gotta be the Nissan Rogue, right? Same width and Bronco Sport is a couple inches taller, but the Rogue is like 11 inches longer and weighs more. Edit to add, I misread the chart I was looking at, Bronco Sport is like 2 inches wider and more like 4 inches taller, but the Rogue is still much longer and a little heavier.

Last edited 22 days ago by MostlyRedCars
FormerTXJeepGuy
Member
FormerTXJeepGuy
22 days ago
Reply to  MostlyRedCars

I was gonna say the Rogue too. Its available with a 3rd row so I figured it was bigger than the B Sport

Dave
Member
Dave
22 days ago

It’s not. Only the Outlander has a third row. And the Rogue PHEV.

FormerTXJeepGuy
Member
FormerTXJeepGuy
22 days ago
Reply to  Dave

Didn’t the older Rogues offer a 3rd row? Maybe that was before the 3 cylinder.

Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
Member
Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
22 days ago

I did the sock puppet thing to my high school senior just before her graduation. Sock puppet #1 “I’m your dad. And I say you’ll be an engineer!” Sock puppet #2 “But I don’t want to be an engineer, I want to be a chemist!” Sock puppet #1 “Being a chemist is the path to poverty. You want to be a chemical engineer!” Sock puppet #2 beaks Sock Puppet #1 while screaming.

Sarcasm is our love language.

StillNotATony
Member
StillNotATony
22 days ago

Okay, a little fact checking here.

Google says that the Bronco sport is 82.2″ wide with the mirrors (74.3″ wide without the mirrors), and the Chevy Trax is 71.8″ wide without the mirrors.

Gotta watch those qualifiers when googling, Jason!

Beasy Mist
Member
Beasy Mist
22 days ago

That stripe graphic on the Bronco stirs something deep within me. Bronco Sports are kind of whatever but with that graphics package…I don’t know man, I want it real bad.

Jack Trade
Member
Jack Trade
22 days ago
Reply to  Beasy Mist

For me, the only problem with the Free Wheelin’ package is that the stripings’ also on the hood too. It’s just a little too much for my taste. Also, more humdrum wheels might set off the stripes better as well.

Aaronaut
Member
Aaronaut
22 days ago
Reply to  Beasy Mist

They are very tasty stripes, indeed.

4moremazdas
Member
4moremazdas
22 days ago
Reply to  Beasy Mist

They are a strangely appealing little CUV in some guises (the heritage models are also quite nice). I was even thinking about how I liked them while reading TMD today.

But then Jason reminded me they’re powered by a high strung turbo 3. IDK how the reliability is actually shaking out for these, but man does it need the Mav hybrid drivetrain.

Beasy Mist
Member
Beasy Mist
22 days ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Honestly that’s the thing that holds me back, ideally I’d want a plug-in hybrid version or at very least regular hybrid.

TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
22 days ago
Reply to  Beasy Mist

As time goes on and the market evolves, conventional ICE automatic transmissions seem more and more pointless to me.

I’m a manual enjoyer, but if I had to buy something I can’t shift, why would I not get a hybrid?

4moremazdas
Member
4moremazdas
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

Fully agree with this take, with the caveat that it’s a good hybrid system that actually reduces complexity vs the fully ICE option.

Which is why I now own a Mazda3 with a stick and a Highlander hybrid.

I’m still skeptical of some of the turbo + engine + conventional auto trans + electric motors + battery method of hybridization as compared to a conventional auto paired with a NA V6, though.

TriangleRAD
Member
TriangleRAD
22 days ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Agreed, the complexity is the main concern, but the well-proven hybrid platforms like the Toyota one largely out that worry to rest.

I also like the execution of hybrids like the Chrysler Pacifica, which will do 30 miles all-electric before the special Miller Cycle Pentastar V6 kicks in. That’s a good chunk of a minivan’s daily errands done gas-free.

4moremazdas
Member
4moremazdas
22 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

Man I want so bad to believe in the Pacifica PHEV. A PHEV would be great for us and that one fits my needs so nicely. I even looked at a bunch of good deals on used ones, but I’ve heard too many Stellantis stories about the reliability that I didn’t trust it.

It’s a shame, because it’s the same concept as the Toyota hybrid/PHEVs with a planetary gearset and a non-turbo ICE running a more efficient cycle, but it just falls flat.

Last edited 22 days ago by 4moremazdas
4moremazdas
Member
4moremazdas
22 days ago
Reply to  Beasy Mist

Yeah I just got a Highlander Hybrid and don’t think I’ll ever own a downsized turbo car with a 8+gear auto or belt driven CVT as is becoming the default ICE-only option.

That said, I would be completely charmed by one of the heritage bronco sports with a manual and 2.5 or so NA 4 cylinder.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
22 days ago

Some engines look like 3 cylinders but are really 6: many transverse V6 engine bays, especially Toyota, only have the front cylinder bank visible, so it looks like an I3. But they pile everything on top of the rear bank so you can’t even see it 🙁

Toyota tilts theirs back so that the front bank is almost vertical like an inline! And alllllllllllllllllll of that shit has to come off when it’s time for spark plugs, or if the valve cover gaskets leak, so be careful not to break the ignition coil connectors!

Here’s the 1MZ-FE for example:
https://schematron.org/image/toyota-1mz-fe-engine-diagram-23.jpg

M SV
M SV
22 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

I have a few Highlander hybrids I have to do valve cover gaskets on. Not looking forward to it. I swear they leak more because they are tilted in there like that too. I bet a fair few of people have done the front and chickened out for the rear.

George Danvers
George Danvers
22 days ago

I’m rather afraid to purchase a new vehicle with 3-cylinder engine. Should I be?

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
22 days ago
Reply to  George Danvers

Yes. It depends, but in general, yes. They aren’t available new anymore, but the Mits Mirage was surprisingly decent, very much a modern Geo Metro. Beyond that I have not heard good things about the longevity of any of them. Ford’s first foray into the 3s was a 1.0 that has an incredibly bad reputation and so many problems. The newer 1.5 and the Chevy ones are still too new for there to be a ton of info on them.

Having said that, it also depends on how long you want to keep a car. Will these modern 3s make it to 200k and beyond? Likely not. But I feel like they will go to 100k without major issues most of the time.

Alexk98
Member
Alexk98
22 days ago

Also interesting to see how the GR Corolla/Yaris engine holds up long term. It’s slightly large at 1.6L for a 3, but heavily boosted, but it’s a Toyota powertrain, so I would have more faith in it than either of the offerings from Ford or GM. The Bronco Sport is still relatively new, but it’s a Ford, and I’m near certain those things will become problematic in a few years time.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
22 days ago
Reply to  Alexk98

Yeah that’s a good point. I forgot about that one honestly. It’s been modded to high hell and still managed to maintain something resembling reliability up to like 500 hp, but I doubt it would go well long term at that.

V10omous
Member
V10omous
22 days ago

The bad reputation for the 1.0 Ecoboost was made with European market issues that were (mostly) fixed by the time it arrived here.

I had 80,000 miles on mine without engine-specific concerns and a friend was nearing 150,000 (in 4 years) on his 1.0 Fiesta without any major issues.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
22 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Good to know. The 80k is in line with what I said and not surprising, but the 150k is a first heard for me. The one Fiesta rental I drove made the most awful noises ever and I wouldn’t be able to own it just because of that.

V10omous
Member
V10omous
22 days ago

It wasn’t a beautiful sound, but I didn’t find it any more objectionable than small 4 cylinders either.

I’d probably still have the car if I had a long commute.

M SV
M SV
22 days ago

Post 2018 the 1.0 is in theory almost a new engine with a timing chain and the turbo in the rear along with other fixes. The 1.5 was released in 2017 with a timing chain. But I’ve heard just because a vehicle is post 2018 it doesn’t mean mean its wet belt free. Some in Europe have reported having wet belt engines in to 2020s MY. The oil pump belts have also problematic. There are theories about on how using thicker oil will help as in just about all modern engines.

Sid Bridge
Member
Sid Bridge
22 days ago

I had heard bad things about the 3-cylinder in the Bronco Sport when my wife and I were shopping for one, and we got around it by getting the Badlands Bronco Sport, which comes with the 4-cylinder. So I can no longer contribute to this conversation. I mean, I drove both. You can definitely tell the difference and in test drives the 3-banger seemed fine.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
22 days ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

I mean I would hope it wasn’t unbearable in the test drive. Pretty bad if it sucks that bad right out of the factory!

Sid Bridge
Member
Sid Bridge
22 days ago

Lol, yeah. To clarify, I heard they had long-term reliability issues. As far as power goes, it was enough. You definitely had to wring it out, but the 3-cylinder Bronco didn’t feel underpowered. The 4-cylinder by comparison is pretty darn fun.

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
22 days ago
Reply to  George Danvers

Yes. No engine should have an odd cylinder count. I can’t off objective facts to sway you one way or the other, but I have a quasi-religious dislike of engines that aren’t divisible by two.

U20sailor
Member
U20sailor
21 days ago

I drove a VW inline 5 engine to 300,000 miles. It was smooth and great the whole time.

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
21 days ago
Reply to  U20sailor

Like I said, I offer no objective facts; I just don’t like them. They’re the devil’s business.

Vanagan
Member
Vanagan
22 days ago

Technically (the best kind) you can fit a passenger in the Lancia 3Ro truck, so does that qualify it?

Drew
Member
Drew
22 days ago

I bet you’ve found yourself in this position: you’re sitting at an outdoor cafe, a hoagie in one hand and a sock puppet in the other, because you hate eating alone. As you’re happily feeding your puppet friend finger-bites of hoagie

Jason, you need to sometimes have the hoagie in the puppet hand so that the puppet can feed you, too.

1 2 3
183
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x