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The Dastardly Plot To Make Americans Use The Metric System: COTD

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Hey America! Look, you and I both know our math is really weird. I mean, journalists measure things in football fields, Empire State Buildings, washing machines, small boulders, and more. You’ve almost certainly seen the joke that America will measure in any unit but the metric system, but it’s not for lack of trying.

As Thomas wrote this morning, a new regulation has been passed requiring that, as of September 1, 2029, “almost all new cars sold in America must have automatic emergency braking that can come to a complete stop and avoid a stopped vehicle ahead from 62 mph.” That sounds like some serious tech, but many of our readers feel this won’t do much more than crank the prices of cars up even further while adding another system to annoy you. But it’s Chris Stevenson with the most hilarious response:

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Weird that they’re specifying 62 MPH, which is 100 km/h. Is this all a secret plot to turn the US metric?? (Oh please oh please)

If you like the metric system, I have good news! All you have to do is travel down I-265 through Louisville! Okay, I’ll explain. As Louisville Public Media reports, science and technology were hitting strides in the 1960s. In 1964, the National Bureau of Standards said it would use the metric system. Congress authorized a study and found out that metric measurements were already common in American life and were only gaining traction. Study participants preferred the metric system, too. In 1975, President Gerald Ford signed the Metric Conversion Act, which didn’t actually change America to metric, but provided a roadmap for the conversion.

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Next came educating Americans about the metric system. Unfortunately, American citizens weren’t as stoked about it as the government and science professionals were. Kentucky was ahead of the curve and it worked to convert its schools to metric by 1980. The signs in I-265 were due for replacement, so those were made metric, too.

Unfortunately, the whole thing fizzled out and America just stuck with what it knew. However, signs are expensive to replace, so Kentucky has left them up, slowly replacing them as needed.

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This morning, Jason showed us some brochure content for the Barkas B1000 vans. However, the people in the brochure are weirder than the vans. StillNotATony gives us an honestly believable scenario:

Next week in Tales From The Slack:

David Tracy: hey, has anyone heard from Torch recently?

Matt Hardigree: it has been a few days. Didn’t he go on an assignment in Eastern Europe with Adrian? And where’s Adrian?!?

Adrian: last I saw of him, he was talking to a group of people with lousy fashion sense standing around some old van. Their clothing colors were atrocious, I had to get to the airport, so I left. Did he not make his flight?

MH: dammit, call the deprogrammers. Torch is in a cult again. I knew I shouldn’t have sent him there after last time.

Mike Harrell also gave me a laugh:

“…the Twin Strokes Cult of Thuringia.”

Tempting, but I’m already a practicing Trollhättan Twostrokian, Longnose Reform Branch.

Have a great evening, everyone!

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Andrew Berkshire
Andrew Berkshire
23 days ago

Every American already uses the metric system, and has been for many years -> the U.S. Dollar is a Base-10 system

Mr. Fusion
Mr. Fusion
22 days ago

…Which we were using a couple of centuries before the Brits finally decimalized their currency. “Behind the curve” my arse!

Greg R
Greg R
24 days ago

Australia changed to metric on 1st July 1974, I was in my twenties. Temperature certainly makes more sense in Centigrade/Celsius, 0C is temp water freezes at, not 32F. However we still have phones, TV’s and tyres measured in inches. The hardest part to get used to was going from mpg to lt/100km, which still seems odd to me, why not km/lt. From what I gather the US is one of the very last countries to convert, even the UK has to a large degree and that’s where the imperial system came from.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
23 days ago
Reply to  Greg R

I still don’t understand the logic behind L/100km, too. The most logic would be km/L because it’s more reflective of real world use.

Mr. Fusion
Mr. Fusion
22 days ago
Reply to  Greg R

Celsius is too simplistic IMO. The gradations are so huge that you can have a noticeable [to a human] change of temperature within one Celsius degree. It was designed for easy calculation and nothing else.

I do think that Fahrenheit should have made his “zero” the freezing point of water, rather than the coldest temperature that could be reliably measured by his equipment that year.

Chally_Sheedy
Chally_Sheedy
24 days ago

https://youtu.be/-1K3tNcY2FU?si=ebNHBHdExbvyAsn8

Ghostface Killah has been trying to educate us for almost 2 decades. Maybe it’s finally sinking in with this generation.

Wu Tang really was for the children all along.

Last edited 24 days ago by Chally_Sheedy
CRX89
CRX89
24 days ago

Does measuring things in VW Beetles count as using metric?

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
24 days ago
Reply to  CRX89

No. That would be Geo Metros.

Rod Millington
Rod Millington
24 days ago

Mercedes Metris?

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
24 days ago

I always thought the secret plot was selling liquor in metric units. Then again you ‘murcans lump alcohol, tobacco and fire arms into the same department. I mean, they do go well together, but still; conspiracy!

At least here in Canada, we generally lump alcohol and gaming together. Still, building materials are sold in imperial units.

This is the stuff that keeps me up at night.

Yeet
Yeet
24 days ago

Worked for a few months down in Louisville and always took the Westport Road exit. Commute was always a little more enjoyable seeing the metric system and now good to know why it’s there

Major Malfunction
Major Malfunction
24 days ago

And soon after President Ford signed that important paperwork, me being in 1st grade had to learn standard and metric all at the same time. Because we all know that in our older years, we would need to know where we could get a decent deciliter of drink for 7 credits while my car got 4 fathoms to the peck. It’s all nonsense.

Jatkat
Jatkat
24 days ago

I don’t have a problem measuring temperature and longer distances (miles basically) in American Standard. In fact, in non-science related daily usage, I much prefer Fahrenheit. But GODDAMN, any time I have to woodwork, build something, or work on one of my older American cars, I curse standard with the fury of a billion atomic bombs.

Bongo Friendee Harvey Park
Bongo Friendee Harvey Park
23 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Woodworking in imperial is a complete bamboozle.

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
24 days ago

The metric system is just another set of made up numbers, only advantage is it’s units of 10s. I think it’s that a foot is an easier base unit than a meter, similar to Fahrenheit where the degrees are slightly smaller units, which for HVAC systems in cars if they only do whole numbers, Fahrenheit is easier to get comfortable in.

If a meter was the length of a foot, then decimeters would be about an inch, and then a 5k would be almost a mile, we’d probably have switched already. But a meter is some weird thing that’s not really a yard, and centimeter is some weird thing that’s not even half an inch, so we just don’t care to learn it.

Rod Millington
Rod Millington
24 days ago
Reply to  Fuzzyweis

The factor ten approach wouldn’t work easily if a metre was a foot, because then your millimetre unit would be useless for everyday tasks.

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
23 days ago
Reply to  Rod Millington

A 10mm would be about a (new)4Dm.

Again these are all made up numbers, someone thousands of years ago said this is a foot, it was easy, we could use forearms and feet and fingertips, then someone hundreds of years ago said 1 10 millionth the distance from the equator to the north pole was a meter and lets just split it up by 10s, it’s just another system of communication among us people. If an alien landed on the planet today and we asked how many kilometers they flew they’d have no idea what we were talking about, probably say it was 1.5 million solaflacs, and then we’d shoot them and take their space ship.

Accordian
Accordian
24 days ago

TIL there’s another interstate with the KM numbering system. I only knew of I-19 down in southern AZ

Eric Smith
Eric Smith
24 days ago
Reply to  Accordian

I remember growing up pretty much all the interstate signs in TN had KM and miles in an attempt. Did not last a full sign replacement cycle

Chris Stevenson
Chris Stevenson
24 days ago

Comment of the Day, wow! Thank you.

Trust Doesn't Rust
Trust Doesn't Rust
24 days ago

Anyone on the fence about switching to the metric system should be forced to organize bins of screws, bolts and nuts into their respective system and size.

VanGuy
VanGuy
24 days ago

This. On the rare occasions I have to grab specific screws or bolt sizes at a Lowe’s or Home Depot, my head spins just on the broad selection available (which, for what it’s worth, is mostly a good thing). But of course, you have to basically double what’s available because imperial system.

Peter d
Peter d
24 days ago
Reply to  VanGuy

I did some work for a fastener company (don’t call them a screw company!) years ago, and I think we stocked on the order of 7,500 skus for inch/u.s. fasteners and something like 17,500 skus for the metric equivalent – which seems weird to me that we needed so many more skus for the metric system. A weird footnote on that work – I couldn’t get the detailed sales database to reconcile with the high-level numbers and eventually found there was an uncorrected entry that had the unit of measure wrong and the price recorded in the detailed database was for $/each and the sales entry was in $/thousand.

Sklooner
Sklooner
24 days ago

I worked at a British import repair shop so we had to throw in Whitworth and BSF too

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
24 days ago
Reply to  Sklooner

Man, Whitworth sure threw me for a loop when I first attempted to fettle a ‘59 Morris Minor! Some people Down Under were quite kind (after they had a hearty laugh, I assume) and hipped me to that system. Ah, the 26k modem days…. 😉

Chartreuse Bison
Chartreuse Bison
24 days ago

Anyone who thinks the US should switch to metric can pay for the millions of signs themselves

VanGuy
VanGuy
24 days ago

Do you realize how many jobs that installing those signs would create though?
And I’m happy to pay more for transportation maintenance. Clearly we’re not paying enough.

Chartreuse Bison
Chartreuse Bison
22 days ago
Reply to  VanGuy

The sign says turn in 4 <units>, the numbers on your odometer go up by 4. What difference does it make?
I’d rather the billions be spent on the road itself, instead of on changing signs for literally no advantage to the driver besides being less confusing to foreigners. (and very confusing to locals for years/decades before they get used to it)

Last edited 22 days ago by Chartreuse Bison
VanGuy
VanGuy
22 days ago

“less confusing to foreigners” goes both ways, though. Helpful for immigrants and tourists, but also to Americans for when we’re immigrants and tourists in other countries!

Plus, I doubt we’re the first country to go through a “transition period” between units of measurement. We’ve just procrastinated long enough that it’s a bigger problem than it otherwise would have been.

Chartreuse Bison
Chartreuse Bison
22 days ago
Reply to  VanGuy

True, it would have been better to have switched a long time ago. There just isn’t many advantages now in the computer age. Put your Waze in km if you want.
No country that’s switched recently has remotely as much road network as the US

Bongo Friendee Harvey Park
Bongo Friendee Harvey Park
23 days ago

We already pay for those signs

Mr. Fusion
Mr. Fusion
22 days ago

If it’s that big of a deal, then just change them at the rate of attrition.

Having said that, it was emphatically not that big of a deal during the Ford and Carter administrations, when they did actually change all of the signs on federal highways.

Timbales
Timbales
24 days ago

I could get used to the metric system for everything but weather temperatures.

I don’t think I could get used to “it’s in the 20’s” being a 40 degree temperature range in Fahrenheit like I’m used to saying “It’s going to be in the 50’s, better grab a light jacket.”

Sklooner
Sklooner
24 days ago
Reply to  Timbales

I like the zero and 100 no 32 and 212 for me

Timbales
Timbales
24 days ago
Reply to  Sklooner

If it’s 212F outside, I’m too dead to feel it

Tangent
Tangent
24 days ago
Reply to  Sklooner

Is the freezing and boiling point of water really that frequent of a concern though?

Mortalcombatant
Mortalcombatant
24 days ago
Reply to  Tangent

Well, information if it’s below or above freezing point of water is a critical information when considering road/sidewalk conditions when you’re planning a trip outskde during winter. Also I boil water at least few times a day so it’s important information to me.

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
24 days ago
Reply to  Timbales

We don’t really group temperatures by tens, for exactly that reason. If grouping I might say it’s 25-ish which implies a few degrees leeway each direction, or more often “high 20’s”

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
24 days ago
Reply to  Ecsta C3PO

And also I like negative temperatures because that’s when it starts to get cold.

V10omous
V10omous
24 days ago
Reply to  Timbales

Cooking temps too.

Cooking things in increments of 50 degrees makes for an easy shorthand that Celsius doesn’t have.

250, 300, 350, 400, 450….these are all useful and easy to remember.

Do people in Canada preheat their oven to 175 or 205 degrees?

Joshua Christian
Joshua Christian
24 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

180 or 200. The numbers are probably rounded to the nearest 10 and timings adjusted by a few minutes to match.

Nick
Nick
24 days ago
Reply to  Timbales

It’s all about perspective and frame of reference. I once heard Celsius is a 0-100 scale covering the states of matter for water and Fahrenheit is a 0-100 scale for human perception/comfort/survival.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
24 days ago

I just wish American interstates would adopt the Canadian exit numbering system, where the exit is the damn mile marker. So I know exit 118 and exit 114 are 4 kilometers apart.

Then I use the interstate and it’s a roulette game of how far the next exit is and if i’ll have the fuel to get there.

Data
Data
24 days ago

It seems to be state based. I’ve been in states where it is by mile marker and others where it is sequential.

DadBod
DadBod
24 days ago
Reply to  Data

I like where the state updated to the mile-marker system, but every exit has a sign that says something like, “EXIT 92 – OLD EXIT 14”

VanGuy
VanGuy
24 days ago
Reply to  DadBod

Yeah, that definitely varies by state/highway. In PA most of the highways I’ve been on are mile marker-based, but I’ve encountered a select few exceptions (mostly on roads where numerical and mile-marker based are extremely similar, distance-wise).

getstoneyII (probably)
getstoneyII (probably)
24 days ago
Reply to  VanGuy

Ah, Pennsylvania. The state that cruelly reminds you every exit that you still have 4 more hours to drive before getting out of there.

RedR58
RedR58
23 days ago

Yes….but at least we don’t have front license plates!

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
24 days ago
Reply to  Data

Ah, must’ve been a state highway then. I was on a road trip to CT through NY and VT, I was VERY annoyed with the exit numbering. Especially late at night in low populated areas.
At least in Canada, our system is consistent across the country.

Jason Snooks
Jason Snooks
24 days ago

In my experience interstate/federal highway exits are all mile-based. State highways use whatever numbering system they feel like.

V10omous
V10omous
24 days ago

You must live in the Northeast, everywhere else in the country does this.

getstoneyII (probably)
getstoneyII (probably)
24 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Bingo. The Parkways in NY/NJ are the crown jewels of arbitrary numbering.

Jj
Jj
24 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

MA has switched over, at least for the stretch of I95 that runs through the state. I literally do not know my exit number now, but I don’t really use that to navigate so it’s not a problem. The switch seemed to happen around the pandemic, so it’s not like I was giving many people directions to my house.

Mike B
Mike B
24 days ago
Reply to  Jj

I thought it was ridiculous, it makes no sense to me. RI has switched over too.

Jj
Jj
24 days ago
Reply to  Mike B

It makes sense in some places, but less sense where there is a higher density of exits. It makes it easy to track your progress through states on a multi-state road trip.

If they want to use this numbering on RT 1 close to Boston, they’d need to use decimal places since it’s often less than a mile between exits. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for RT 128 north of Boston (which is the same as I95 for a lot of the state).

Last edited 24 days ago by Jj
Mike B
Mike B
23 days ago
Reply to  Jj

If I’m driving in an area where I need to know exit numbers, I’m using navigation, so I really don’t need that distance info on a sign.

I usually track my progress by the exit numbers descending, at least when going that direction. Exit 78, 77, 76 and so on.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
24 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

I live in Canada, but my last road trip where I experienced this was the Northeast, yes.

Mike B
Mike B
24 days ago

This is happening in the Northeast, MA and RI have done it at least, not sure about the others. I still call the exits by their old numbers, IDGAF about miles between exits. I just want to know when my exit is coming up. If I’m looking for exit 8, seeing exit 7 means I’m getting close.

Clark B
Clark B
24 days ago

I know exactly where those road signs are! They’ve been like that since the early 2000s or so, and just on that one section of I-265. Always thought it was strange as a kid. I can’t think of any other road signs in Louisville that also show distance in kilometers.

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
24 days ago

Sad to see a supposedly grown up country struggle stupidly with such an ancient system of measures… I just switch my vehicles displays to metric units and for cooking I find the Canadian websites and skip the mysterious spoons, cups, etc..

DadBod
DadBod
24 days ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

I am getting in to woodworking and am trying to force myself to use metric because my feeble brain can’t process fractions of an inch

Jatkat
Jatkat
24 days ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

Why would you switch your vehicle displays to metric when all speeds, distances, etc are listed in standard?

Rod Millington
Rod Millington
24 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

My old car you could switch the temperature (internal and external) as well as fuel consumption and odometer to metric if desired. I did temperature in Celsius, but left the odometer and consumption in mpg because it was valid to the information I was being presented by road signs.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
24 days ago

The USA doesn’t use the metric system? What side of the road do you drive on? 🙂

Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
24 days ago
Reply to  Arrest-me Red

We drive on the top side. It’s faster and it’s gentler to the paint.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
24 days ago
Reply to  Mike Harrell

Well now you tell me. I need to sell this drill back to the mole people. 🙂

MrLM002
MrLM002
24 days ago

We should adopt the metric system for everything but temperature.

A 1℃ temp difference can be massive when it comes to what to set your AC to. 1℉ not so much.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
24 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Go Kelvin or go home!

Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
24 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Absolutely!

VanGuy
VanGuy
24 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Unironically, I do like that you never have to say “negative” or “minus” with Kelvin.
Or “degrees”, for that matter.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
24 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Pretty sure typical Celsius digital thermostats increment by 1/2 degrees, making it more finely tunable than deg F. I’m sure the Commentariat will let me know if I’m mistaken.

Jj
Jj
24 days ago

Seems like you’re right. 0.5C change = 0.9F change.

Figured I’d post since I needed to look it up. C/F conversions still confuse me – probably because it’s one unit of measure I’ve rarely had to convert.

Bongo Friendee Harvey Park
Bongo Friendee Harvey Park
23 days ago

That is correct.

Buccal thermometers in Fahrenheit also show the decimal.

Tangent
Tangent
24 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Just as long as we don’t go full Canadian; I don’t want to have to carry a flowchart around to know which units to use! https://i.imgur.com/RJvSBiZ.jpeg

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
24 days ago

You can keep your fancy French metric system. How in the world am I supposed to measure a freedom-loving American survey system 1 square-mile section of amber waves of grain without my 66 foot chain and my 16 and-a-half foot rods?

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
24 days ago

Area is measured in dually pickup truck parking spots.

Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
24 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Suburban conversion factor: 1 Dually = .937 Crossover.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
24 days ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

I think you have that backward, the dually is bigger than the crossover if I remember my freedom units correctly.

Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
24 days ago

Yeah, I think you’re right. That’s what I meant but got it switched up. Just because I work in engineering doesn’t mean I’m good at math.

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
24 days ago

Given the horrendous errors in their original survey and mapping, townships are often 10km squares (sorta).

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
24 days ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

When you compare what Washington and Lincoln did to modern RTK GPS, it’s actually amazing how accurate they were. Slogging through a swamp with a crew of dozens, camping every damn night, dealing with hostile natives. All I have to worry about is iPhone’s lousy wi-fi hotspot function, and the dubious numbers you get from the GLONASS birds.

DadBod
DadBod
24 days ago

Aren’t the original surveys of parts of the Patagonia coast still in use today?

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
24 days ago
Reply to  DadBod

I’m not sure about how they do things in Argentina. But in the US, the original survey of any piece of land is still used as the basis for all subdivisions that were subsequently created within that parcel. And if an old George Washington survey disagrees with a brand-new, GPS/total station/CAD survey, George Washington wins.

DadBod
DadBod
24 days ago

The original surveys of the southern coast of S America were all done by British geographers I believe, and in my dusty memory they were so accurate the more forlorn areas never really needed updating

Jj
Jj
24 days ago

My town pre-dates Mr. Washington’s exploits by over 100 years. Property lines are just best guesses based on the location and orientation of the buildings.

Had a tree that needed to be taken down. It could have been on my side, neighbor’s side or right on the line. Instead of paying a surveyor, I just split the cost with my neighbor. It seemed easier.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
24 days ago
Reply to  Jj

I often recommend that very solution to the residents of the municipality I work for. Splitting the cost of the tree guy when the tree is obviously on the line is a lot cheaper than paying a surveyor just to measure a stupid tree.

DadBod
DadBod
24 days ago
Reply to  Jj

in planning a new garage I thought I’d have a survey done to get exact property line. I had no idea surveys were so costly and involved, the estimate was over 4 grand. Needless to say I didn’t get the survey.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
24 days ago
Reply to  DadBod

You need to find an old-timer, someone nearing retirement who still does them for extra cash. Someone without a massive overhead of equipment and personnel.

Jj
Jj
24 days ago
Reply to  DadBod

Wow. That’s more than I thought it would be.

It was a huge tree near power lines and overhanging part of my house, part of the neighbor’s house and the neighbor’s garage. The survey would have been almost as much as the tree removal.

Now I really regret removing the surveyor stones that were in my yard. I was annoyed running into them when clearing brush. If I knew they were that valuable I would have built little protective structures around them.

DadBod
DadBod
24 days ago
Reply to  Jj

Apparently a full on survey requires lots of record searches and physical surveying. If there’s not a legal dispute it’s much easier to just use the plan the city had for your plot and eyeball it. Here we have iron pins at the corners that are pretty easy to find.
Also the company I talked to does huge projects like shipyards and hospitals and stuff so they aren’t really a budget oriented concern.

Chally_Sheedy
Chally_Sheedy
24 days ago
Reply to  DadBod

“garage” ? Sounds like somebody’s already adopted the fancy French system.
Just call it a car-hole like everybody else.

Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
24 days ago

Metric system, like most civilized people.

SNL-LOL Jr
SNL-LOL Jr
24 days ago
Reply to  Argentine Utop

Recycled joke:
There are two kinds of countries. There are those who use metric, and those who strongarmed Nazis into helping them send men to the Moon.

Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
23 days ago
Reply to  SNL-LOL Jr

Insert eye rolling meme

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
24 days ago

And whether NASA remembered to convert between metric and English units correctly. They forget sometimes.

https://everydayastronaut.com/mars-climate-orbiter/

Last edited 24 days ago by Cheap Bastard
Jeep Liberty, MY LEG!
Jeep Liberty, MY LEG!
24 days ago

One AR-15 = one AR-15. code is law. stupid euros and their lack of financial innovationing.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
24 days ago

Torch would make a really swell sister-wife for some lucky Ambersignalist.

VanGuy
VanGuy
24 days ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Don’t do this or the Comment of the Day articles will become an ouroboros.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
24 days ago

Torch must be a skilled soap-maker by now, with all the cults you guys have likely needed to rescue him from.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
24 days ago

Oh holy Tail Light, hallowed be thy name, enlighten me with your wisdom.

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