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The Game-Changing Promises Of The World’s First Production Solid-State Battery Are Being Questioned By A Whistleblower: Report

Solid State Status Ts

Back in January, Verge Motorcycles and Donut Lab made a bold announcement that the world’s first production vehicle with a solid-state battery would ship that quarter. The battery technology in the motorcycle, the Donut Battery, is stated to have a density of 400 Wh/kg, the ability to charge in five minutes, and survive more than 100,000 cycles with minimal degradation, all while being cheaper to make than a lithium battery – and out of 100 percent green materials, at that. Donut Lab has thus far failed to prove the biggest claims, and now the co-founder of a company partnered with Donut Lab is blowing the whistle, saying that the promises were exaggerated.

This story comes to us from Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, which has been investigating the claims of the Donut Battery since its announcement. Lauri Peltola, the co-founder and former Chief Commercial Officer at Nordic Nano, claims that the Donut Lab Donut Battery’s promises about energy density, charge cycles, and degradation have not been achieved. More, Peltola claims that Donut Lab’s claim about being able to mass-produce the battery is being misrepresented.

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Peltola has filed a criminal report against Donut Lab, claiming misleading communication and empty promises. But what’s going on here? It comes down to how Donut Lab has handled the launch of this battery right from the start, and the fact that, despite numerous tests and several videos, none of the important claims have been proved yet.

A World-Beating Claim

Verge Motorcycles

The Verge Motorcycles and Donut Lab announcement shook the world of technology and electric vehicles. Several companies, research organizations, and engineers have been developing solid-state batteries for decades. Svolt Energy, LG Chem, BASF, MIT, Oxford, Toyota, Brown University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, QuantumScape, Solid Power, ProLogium, Factorial Energy, CATL, BYD, Nissan, Blue Solutions, and Honda are all just a portion of the entities researching solid-state batteries.

The technology is real and does exist. There are even working prototype vehicles out there getting their power from solid-state batteries. Back in September 2025, Volkswagen, QuantumScape, PowerCo, and Ducati unveiled a functional prototype electric motorcycle that had a real solid-state battery inside of it. There are numerous companies that claim their solid-state batteries are right around the corner from production. So this isn’t a fantasy, nor is it unrealistic.

But there have been challenges in getting these batteries out of the laboratory. Autoblog recently reported on how Honda has been working on making its solid-state batteries stay in one piece. That same report notes how Toyota hasn’t yet figured out how to build solid-state batteries at scale. Then there’s the whole issue with the dendrite formation that kills batteries.

Donut Lab

Yet, somehow, Donut Lab beat the entire world to the punch. Donut Lab has been around for only two years, and the company it was spun out of, Verge Motorcycles, has been around for only eight years. The whole world is wondering how this tiny upstart beat massive corporations, universities, and everyone else to create the holy grail of batteries. The very first production Verge TS with a solid-state battery has been built, crated, and shipped to some undisclosed location, too.

Verge Motorcycles was founded in Finland in 2018 by Tuomo Lehtimäki, Marko Lehtimäki, Ville Piippo, and Henri Vähäkainu. The motorcycle they began marketing was the invention of engineer Teemu Saukkio. Verge established a manufacturing center in Estonia, which has been producing Verge TS motorcycles for years. What made Verge stand out in the crowd was its “hubless” wheel motor that looks like a donut. Marko Lehtimäki, the brother of Tuomo, would then found Donut Lab in Estonia, which serves as more or less the technology company spinoff of Verge Motorcycles. Donut Lab makes the Donut Motor that powers the Verge TS.

Marko Lehtimäki has a history with tech ventures. In 2011, he founded AppGyver, a development tool to build apps through a graphical user interface rather than code. Marko’s name is also on Asilab, a company that claims to have made an AI that “thinks” and learns like a human brain. The company says it has “the world’s first true AI superintelligence,” but has yet to actually demonstrate it.

Donut Lab

Marko and Donut Lab have made some incredible claims. Here’s what I wrote in January:

Lehtimäki claims his team has made a battery that can charge in only five minutes, will last more than 100,000 cycles with almost no degradation, is cheaper to make than lithium-ion batteries, delivers 400 Wh/kg, and is made out of 100 percent green materials. Simply put, Verge and Donut Lab claimed to have built the holy grail of batteries.

[…]

Donut Lab claims that this battery is better than any other in that it retains 99 percent capacity in minus 30 Celsius and also when it’s above 100 Celsius, unlike lithium chemistry. Donut Lab also says you can run the battery to zero or charge it to 100 percent as many times as you want without hurting it. As for lifespan, Donut Lab says it’ll last the entire life of the vehicle, making the threat of having to replace a worn battery a thing of the past. The company then talks about these cells not having thermal runaway problems, weighing less than lithium batteries, and, somehow, even costing less to make than lithium batteries.

As if all that wasn’t unbelievable enough, Donut Lab then claims, “In fact, we found ourselves designing a slower charging speed so riders can plug in and actually have time to drink a latte and enjoy it instead of downing an espresso and rushing back to their bike.” Weirdly, Verge also says that its version of the Donut Battery will last for 10,000 cycles rather than 100,000.

Donut Lab has been eager to post all of these claims in several videos, like this one:

There has been no shortage of people calling out Donut Lab. Words like “scam” and “hoax” have been thrown around rather often by experts and even executives of major corporations.

I Donut Believe

To prove the doubters wrong, Marko Lehtimäki and Donut Lab launched the “I Donut Believe” website and video series. In this series, Donut Lab submits sample battery cells to the state-run VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland for third-party verification. I have written about these tests several times, so I won’t rehash them much here. Read my previous coverage by clicking here, here, here, and here.

The short version of it is that VTT has confirmed that single Donut Lab cells can charge in roughly five minutes, don’t experience thermal runaway when damaged, can be cooled using giant heatsinks and fans, and self-discharge slowly. That’s it, none of the actual huge claims have been proven.

VTT

Donut Lab has since started to do its own tests, and the results don’t match the marketing. When Donut Lab started this journey, it said that the battery could charge in 5 minutes. Then, Spencer Cutlan of Verge Motorcycles said, quote:

“The world-famous 35-minute charge time is now under 10 minutes. Yes, under 10 minutes.”

Then he said, quote:

“In fact, we found ourselves designing a slower charging speed so riders can plug in and actually have time to drink a latte and enjoy it instead of downing an espresso and rushing back to their bike.”

Note that he did not specify a percentage. But we can guess what he meant. A 35-minute charge time usually refers to going from 10 percent to 80 percent. How does the battery hold up?

Donut Lab

In the Donut Lab test, the standard-range solid-state battery charged from 10 percent to 70 percent in nine minutes, seven seconds. It then hit 80 percent in 12 minutes, three seconds. Donut Lab says that to get to 90 percent would require 15 minutes. So, the “under 10-minute” claim holds up only so long as you don’t expect the battery to get higher than 70 or so percent.

This has never made sense to me. The Donut Lab guys claim the battery can charge twice as fast. Why not have it charge as fast as you claim it can and thus make the 10-minute charge claim true? The explanation that they want you to get a coffee is just silly. If I want to get a coffee, I’ll park my bike and get one. I don’t need my charging throttled for a completely arbitrary reason.

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Donut Lab

Donut Lab then arbitrarily changed the “I Donut Believe” release schedule from once every week to once every two weeks. What has Donut Lab done with the extra time? On April 1, it published an interview with Marko with no new information, but did include the launch of a merch store where you can buy a hoodie for $142.

On Wednesday, Donut Lab published another video (embedded below) that contained no new information. Now, we’re just wasting time, it seems.

A Finnish Newspaper Investigates

Let’s return to the start. Today, Helsingin Sanomat published a story detailing the reported whistleblowing by Lauri Peltola, the now former Chief Commercial Officer at Finnish battery startup Nordic Nano.

There has been a longstanding rumor that Donut Lab is rebadging a Nordic Nano supercapacitor as a battery. Donut Lab denies this rumor. Donut Lab hasn’t been exactly clear on Nordic Nano’s involvement in the Donut Battery. However, Helsingin Sanomat‘s investigation has reportedly found that the Donut Lab batteries were to be manufactured by Nordic Nano in Imatra, Finland. Nordic Nano was founded in 2024 and Donut Lab owns shares in Nordic Nano.

In Helsingin Sanomat‘s report, Peltola challenges Donut Lab’s claims, roughly translated into English:

According to Lauri Peltola, it has become clear to him over the spring that the promised battery properties, such as energy density and charging cycles, have not been achieved. The readiness for mass production has also been misrepresented, he says. According to Peltola, the company does not have the promised capacity for mass production and large production volumes of batteries. He says that the production line is not scheduled to be completed until later this year and its production capacity is not as large as Lehtimäki claims. “I want to emphasize that these are really serious matters. Donut Lab’s operations do not fit with my own moral concept,” Peltola says.

According to him, the Donut Lab collaboration has begun to disrupt Nordic Nano Group’s other business operations. The company’s production facility can manufacture solar panels, for example. Peltola is one of the founding partners of Nordic Nano. He says that he filed a criminal report independently and at his own discretion. Donut Lab also owns shares in Nordic Nano.

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Is that a computer fan? Credit: Donut Lab

Helsingin Sanomat says that Helsinki police have confirmed that a criminal report has been filed against a battery technology company this month. Meanwhile, Peltola says that he filed a report with the Financial Supervisory Authority and the Chancellor of Justice’s external reporting channel. This should trigger a whistleblower investigation against Donut Lab to see if what Peltola is alleging is true.

There’s more. According to Helsingin Sanomat, Peltola might be onto something:

HS Visio has previously reported that Donut Lab’s battery technology comes from a small German company called CT-Coating. Donut Lab has not publicly stated this. HS Visio has seen email correspondence between Donut Lab, CT-Coating and Nordic Nano Group from the end of March. The content of the correspondence supports Peltola’s claims that at least some of Donut Lab’s promises have been misleading or exaggerated.

The emails give the impression that Donut Lab’s battery technology relies entirely on CT-Coating. The division of labor is roughly that CT-Coating develops the technology, Nordic Nano is responsible for battery production, and Donut Lab acts as a productizer and commercializer of the technology. In the emails, Donut Lab asks CT-Coating for measurement results that would match the promises made to investors and customers regarding charging rates. Based on the emails, these were not provided. It seems that the cooperation between the companies is not entirely straightforward. A CT-Coating representative complains, among other things, that the messages of the Las Vegas battery announcement were not all agreed upon.

The correspondence shows that CT-Coating has stopped product development of the previous battery. Apparently, this is the battery that Donut Lab introduced in January and that has been tested in the VTT laboratory. All of CT-Coating’s product development is now focused on developing a new type of battery. In emails from the end of March, Donut Lab asked when it would be able to conduct the first tests. In a video published in early April, Donut Lab’s Marko Lehtimäki announced that the company is coming out with battery version 2.0, which is even better than the previous battery. CT-Coating’s new battery technology is therefore still in the development phase. Therefore, Donut Lab or Nordic Nano cannot yet order even all the equipment needed for production, and it takes time to receive them after ordering.

VTT

According to the report, batteries developed by CT-Coating in 2024 were tested and were found to have a density of 268-297 Wh/kg, a far cry from Donut Lab’s 400 Wh/kg claim. Further, notes, nobody has seen any patents from Donut Lab, which is a bit weird given the thousands of patents Toyota alone has for its research.

Helsingin Sanomat ended its story with a rather fantastic interview with Marko Lehtimäki, which reveals some interesting insights that we haven’t seen before. In the interview, Lehtimäki confirms that the 100,000-cycle claim hasn’t been tested, but extrapolated from “lower numbers.”

Here are the most interesting parts, roughly translated to English from Helsingin Sanomat:

It’s about the alleged energy density, cycles and manufacturing capacity, they have promised too much.
“What we are delivering to customers, that battery has an energy density of 400 Wh/kg.”

Have you already delivered them to customers?
“There have been no 400 Wh/kg batteries delivered to customers.”

When are you planning to do it?
“In the very near future.”

What does that mean?
“This is getting to detail level. In the near future.”

In January, you promised that the batteries would be available immediately.
“We may have cells with different specs that have been delivered to customers. The volume that we are delivering from a large production line corresponds to what we have announced.”

[…]

According to our information, you have promised things too far in advance and your promises are not quite true.
“Now you have to remember that what we will deliver to the customer and what cell individual we have tested, for example at VTT, are not necessarily the same thing.”

Isn’t there a slight contradiction in that you have different cells that you deliver to customers and different cells where you get the test results?
“I won’t comment in depth now. We will open up all the issues here.”

You just said that you send different cells to VTT and different cells to customers, so wouldn’t that be worth it…
“I didn’t say that exactly. What I’m saying is that there are use cases where a certain cell may be suitable and another may not be suitable. We will have more information about this in the coming weeks, whether there are different cell generations. It is completely normal for manufacturers to have different cell sizes.” “We have tested the cells that are in Verge’s inventory. It is quite true that they are solid-state cells that are in use. They are the ones that have been tested at VTT. Then there are other cells that will be brought to customers.”

Your launch method is exceptional. Do you want to open up and explain why you have chosen this method of release?
“There are intellectual property and patent issues and all sorts of things, so certain technologies may not necessarily be open and everything else of that nature.”

So you want to sell the product before it’s ready?
“No, no, not at all. That’s not what it’s about.”

[…]

When will we get information about energy density? That’s what everyone here is waiting for.
“We have a very clear idea in our own heads about what and when to announce. These are multidimensional things, this launching of revolutionary technologies. It’s true that the Verge has a solid-state battery in the box, and it’s true that 400Wh/kg solid-state batteries, which are manufactured on our production line, will be delivered to customers this year.”

This is not the whole interview. I highly recommend reading the Helsingin Sanomat story. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall, and you’ll need to translate it. But I do have the important pieces up there.

Still Waiting

Verge Motorcycles

Nordic Nano and Donut Lab publish a joint statement claiming that Peltola “made claims concerning Donut Lab, despite not having the necessary knowledge of battery technology or the overall picture of the development work. The individual is not a shareholder of Nordic Nano Group, nor are they involved in the working group developing Donut Lab’s battery. Nordic Nano Group does not share these views of a single individual.”

Donut Lab denies having committed any crime and says that the tests at VTT will continue. Nordic Nano and Donut Lab then say they are investigating this matter with their legal advisors. Click here to read the full statement.

So, that’s where we are now with the Donut Battery. Somehow, the biggest claims remain unresolved, even though Verge Motorcycles has built at least one motorcycle; it hasn’t been delivered to a customer. Now, there’s this whole curveball.

If this new report is true, then Donut Lab is beginning to look a little bit closer to a sort of Fyre Festival or Theranos sort of deal. If the reports are wrong and the battery ends up exactly as advertised, Donut Lab is going to have the underdog story of the era, and maybe even a Nobel Prize. But I hope that Donut Lab really did beat the world. I really do. I’m neither a hater nor a believer. I’m just waiting. I will also continue to keep track of this situation as it unfolds.

Top graphic images: Donut Labs; stock.adobe.com

 

 

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Jb996
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Jb996
1 month ago

“Marko’s name is also on Asilab, a company that claims to have made an AI that “thinks” and learns like a human brain. The company says it has “the world’s first true AI superintelligence,” but has yet to actually demonstrate it.”

This seems like a relevant point of information that should have come out sooner.
He’s trying hard to over-promise and under-deliver. It clearly works really well these days.

Jb996
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Jb996
1 month ago

Didn’t mean to sound critical. I just meant that it gave context in general, and I was surprised that I haven’t heard from anyone reporting his history / typical modus operandi.

Johnologue
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Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Jb996

I’ve been trying to learn about AI theory stuff lately, and that includes some personal notes thinking about how some more advanced AI architecture might eventually work.

I had a look at the Asilab site, and while I’m mortified by some of the similarities between my own speculation and the words of people who obviously have nothing, it seems like they’re just listing things that would be nice to have, with no details on how they would’ve achieved any of it.

Also took a glance at their LinkedIn. All the “people” are just computer scientists, tech business people, and software developers. I don’t believe they have knowledge in psychology, neurology, biology, etc. to make a “brain-like” system as they describe.

No sign of any researchers, academic papers, etc. that I could find offhand, and even actual nonsense AI developments seem to have those.

I’m guessing they found existing writing about concepts like synthetic intelligence, imagined what it might look like, and wrote total fiction about already having all of it.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 month ago

So much of this is over my head but when they talked about slowing charging time so people could have time to enjoy a latte, I almost did a spit take. Break out the hip waders.

Michael Han
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Michael Han
1 month ago

I keep being momentarily confused because the two companies involved here share names with media companies (Verge, Donut)

Brad the Slacker
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Brad the Slacker
1 month ago

The owner sounds like the Finnish version of Elon Musk

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
1 month ago

They all sound like this because they all use the same playbook to be scammy assholes.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

So far…

Space
Space
1 month ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

It’s an easy fix if he just amputate both arms. Then you can never be caught on camera with your arm in any position.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
1 month ago

Aelon Muskola Muskanen

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

And in his underground lair in the base of a volcano Elon thinks to himself, why didn’t I think of that?

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 month ago

Elon has already made exaggerated claims about many of his products. (Don’t forget the electric semi which was filmed rolling downhill.) He manages to bluster and roll things back just enough to keep going.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  SlowCarFast

Yes that was the joke that there was one instance he didn’t falsely promote

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

I mean we could have shortened this whole process by just saying “same guy that owns a company claiming to have a human thinking ai also lies about having a solid state battery”.

Aiko
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Aiko
1 month ago

“ The Verge Motorcycles and Donut Lab announcement shook the world of technology and electric vehicles”

Only if you believed for a second this might be remotely true, which no one outside of the media did. I remember reading a response from some C-level working for one of China’s SSB efforts where he was laughing, saying they know full well what’s possible and Donut definitely do not have anything of the sort. I believe the tech world was not impressed.

Matteo Bassini
Matteo Bassini
1 month ago
Reply to  Aiko

The mind-boggling part is that if the goal was to get VC money and run away with the bag, even the dumbest VC would need to see the real deal before putting any money in.

And if they knew they had nothing, it would eventually blow over and ruin the reputation of everybody involved, including employees who will forever have Donut/Verge on their resume.

Aiko
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Aiko
1 month ago
Reply to  Matteo Bassini

As for the resume issue, you can just write “stealth mode startup (NDA)”, I’ve seen plenty of those around.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago

Yup, I was pretty skeptical…now I want a donut…

“Donuts. Is there anything they can’t do?”

“I sold my soul for a donut”

-Homer Simpson

Strangek
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Strangek
1 month ago

These Donut folks are exhausting.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago

But they have a smokescreen, and it stinks.

D-dub
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D-dub
1 month ago

Do you want to get pun threads? Because this is how you get pun threads.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 month ago

I’m more likely to believe the solid state claims coming out of China than these folks. Right now if anyone could be said to have a lead in this area it’s China. They have a bunch of big companies throwing lots of money at this. That said I’ll eat a slice of humble pie if I’m wrong.

Matteo Bassini
Matteo Bassini
1 month ago

Chinese companies are throwing billions at the project and have a constant supply of smart people who went through hell for the Gaokao.

As for Finland, the only battery technology they’ve produced was Batteri Voltas, the F1 driver.

Son of Dad
Son of Dad
1 month ago

If i wire in a FuelShark, this battery will CREATE electricity!!

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago
Reply to  Son of Dad

Great idea! I absolutely love my Fuel Shark, I’m so impressed with it. I can’t believe how much gas I save!

SNL-LOL Jr
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SNL-LOL Jr
1 month ago

Ever since I plugged a FuelShark into my Polestar 3, I’ve never visited a gas station.

Suck on that, haters.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

Imagine if you plugged one into a Jatco XTronic CVT.

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Son of Dad

make sure you get the eFuelShark. The regular one won’t work on EVs.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 month ago
Reply to  Son of Dad

The FuelShark with MAKE gasoline for you while you drive!

Greg
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Greg
1 month ago

Anyone who believes battery tech news, is an idiot. There has been scams for my entire life, seemingly every couple years. Until they are in sellable units, and tested in the real world, I don’t trust a single claim from any producer. And I sure as shit won’t trust some start-up company that all of a sudden can do it better than established places could even with billions in R and D and decades of trying.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

That same report notes how Toyota hasn’t yet figured out how to build solid-state batteries at scale.”

And this, as well as Donut’s ability to scale up, doesn’t surprise me.

Anyone remember 2017 and how Tesla and Panasonic were working very hard to scale up 2170 battery cell production… which in turn caused delays in scaling up Tesla Model 3 production?

I remember.

It’s one thing to produce a new/updated version of a battery cell in low volumes. But to do that on a large scale with a low defect rate is HARD.

It takes months to years to refine the process.

Solid state batteries will be a thing.

I predict it will take a few years and will likely become a major high-volume thing around 2028 at the earliest

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago

This looks bad, not defending, but Tesla’s start was similar.

Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago

There was a slight error in the specification of the type size on the company’s $142.00 hoodies, which were intended to promote its new website. As the font was just a little too wide to fit, the screen printer modified the text to read:

I Don’t Believe

Goblin
Goblin
1 month ago

EXCLUSIVE!!! NEWS FLASH !!!
The first images of the interview are starting to come in. Only here. Stay tuned for more.

Richard Truett
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Richard Truett
1 month ago

I saw the Verge motorcycle in January at CES. Interesting looking machine.
I took a close-up photo of the motor. I wish I could post it here. Even with normal lithium ion batteries Verge would probably sell some bikes.

Matti Sillanpää
Matti Sillanpää
1 month ago
Reply to  Richard Truett

They’ve been selling few bikes with lithium batteries. They are just very expensive.

Motorcycle.com review couple of years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCj5HyQYhc

These solid state versions are just a bit of a question mark at this point.

M SV
M SV
1 month ago

A bit early to unravel but still time for the plot to thicken for the movie. Now I’m thinking a similar to “the dale” . Someone who is making all these strange claims is bound to be unhinged enough to do something truly crazy. Probably not “the lady and the dale” crazy but “Don’t believe disturbed donuts” crazy or something sure.

Huffy Puffy
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Huffy Puffy
1 month ago

“When will then be now?”
“Soon.”

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago
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Mr. Fusion
Mr. Fusion
1 month ago
Reply to  Huffy Puffy

JOHN WHORFIN: Where are we going?!!

CROWD: Planet Ten! To deliver a solid-state battery!

JOHN WHORFIN: When?!

CROWD: Real soon!!

Stryker_T
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Stryker_T
1 month ago

I was waiting for something like this to happen. WOMP WOMP

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 month ago

did include the launch of a merch store where you can buy a hoodie for $142.

Well, that has me convinced!

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago

can you imagine spemnding that much to advertise a (likely) failed product?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

Not sure I’d wear it if they paid me $142

Defenestrator
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Defenestrator
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

Honestly, I’d be more likely to overpay for a real t-shirt that’d be entertaining after it ends in bankruptcy and possibly arrests (and maybe even a social-media implosion or Fyre Fest style documentary) than I would for the battery.

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Defenestrator

That’s a good point. A Fyre Fest shirt or a Theranos water bottle would be pretty cool to have..

Also, fantastic user name

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

If something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t true.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
1 month ago

Donut Labs also has a Canadian girlfriend. Yeah, they met over the summer. No, there’s no picture because there were no cameras around.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

Just a suggestion – you don’t need to rehash the saga in every article. Just give us the new info.

Last edited 1 month ago by *Jason*
M SV
M SV
1 month ago

I appreciate the summary. It’s too much drama to recall even for dedicated followers of the donut story.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

I get that it is a balancing act. Some other site I frequent use a list of links at the top to the old articles followed by a brief one paragraph summary.

Interesting to hear that most of your clicks aren’t from repeat readers.

Rectangle #3
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Rectangle #3
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

They might lose a bunch of first-time / casual readers though, if they’re asking people to click through those links.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Rectangle #3

They might. They also might lose a first time reader if the article about a whistleblower doesn’t tell them what the whistleblower said until paragraph 23.

Maybe speak to the topic of the headlight first and then give the backstory.

Last edited 1 month ago by *Jason*
JJ
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JJ
1 month ago

can we put those comments in a special section? Or maybe a little tag that says “I didn’t read the story but I’ve got something to say!”

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

Interesting data. I would expect the opposite – people finishing short stories and skimming the long ones.

D-dub
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D-dub
1 month ago

Does the backend data differentiate between reading to the end and scrolling straight to the end? Because when the new info is at the end, I scroll straight to the end.

Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago

Thank you for writing this up. It’s intriguing intrigue.
I have a car in my collection that is waiting for an alternative to lithium ion batteries to be available, so that I can convert it to electric without worrying about a used Tesla pack self-igniting at two in the morning.
Hopefully, sometime soon, someone will deliver what Donut is promising.

Footballplaya3k
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Footballplaya3k
1 month ago

You do a great job of summarizing, Mercedes, don’t change how you do it.

David Barratt
David Barratt
1 month ago

I much prefer in-depth writing from a real person and I don’t think you should change a thing.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

As a perpetual editorial grump, I’ma take her side and say: isn’t that what Mercedes did here? There’s tons of data and articles and resources linked out from the article saying “if you want more context, here are some links.”

I ain’t tryna fight, just offer that I have been keeping up with Donut’s escapades as covered here and none of it felt extra to me.

YMMV… especially on a mythological battery that charges so fast you’ll be like “gosh, I wish the company that designed this vehicle had slowed its charging down so I could stop and appreciate life and have a latte instead of being having espresso forced down my gullet because it is TOO FAST, because in no way or context could riding the motorcycle be the thing I want to be doing and I need a company to make sure I’m not spending too much time enjoying the thing I love without making room for other things in my life, thank you Donut Labs I’m not crying I’m just so grateful this battery doesn’t charge faster so I didn’t miss my kids growing up.”

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

The title is:
“The Game-Changing Promises Of The World’s First Production Solid-State Battery Are Being Questioned By A Whistleblower: Report”

We don’t hear what the whistleblower said until paragraph 23. That is a LONG lead-in that I found odd.

Just a comment. It was a lot of good info and an interesting story.

Last edited 1 month ago by *Jason*
Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

I feel you on that one. I left some feedback recently that the whole premise of an article about the range of a motorcycle didn’t mention the range of the motorcycle until paragraph 18.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

I had read the previous stories, so I needed no recap — but I expected a recap, and had no problem with scrolling/scanning until I hit the new info. It was a fairly long way down, but that’s nothing to be upset about. Articles are not written with my personal neeeds in mind.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
1 month ago

Too many holes in Donut’s claims means that milking content about their coffee claims is making this less of a slam dunk-in the publics minds. I’m sure their business will get kremed by the courts.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
1 month ago
Reply to  Alexk98

Damn, take a happy face!
This post torus up!

Last edited 1 month ago by Joke #119!
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 month ago
Reply to  Alexk98

A cruller explanation might be to raise the dough in an investment type scam. A jolly pirate of an idea but these guys are no Long John silver

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago

The constant misinformation is enough to make your eyes glaze over. I wish they would include a sprinkle of truth.

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 month ago
Reply to  Alexk98

I think finding all the Holes in this Donut story sounds most delicious. I could just eat it all up.

…no seriously this is making me hungry.

DangerousDan
DangerousDan
1 month ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Meanwhile they are frittering away time and money.

Torque
Torque
1 month ago
Reply to  DangerousDan

I croissant believe what you did there

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Alexk98

Maybe they need some help from the Danish.

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