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The Peculiar Car Advertising Trend That Shows No Cars

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You might think that the one crucial element in an advertisement about a car is that you should, you know, show the car. The thing you’re actually talking about. The thing you’re trying to sell. Incredibly, this doesn’t seem to be entirely true. While not exactly common, there have been enough attempts at advertising cars without showing any cars at all that I think it can be considered a particular genre of car advertising. The car-less kind.

It’s a novel approach, and I suspect that the initial impetus behind it is that by not showing a car, you’re getting attention from people who are expecting to see a car. To break them down further, car-less ads, I think, generally fall into a few categories: allegory/analogy ones, where some aspect or quality of the car is expressed via things other than a car; moody/pretentious ones, where the ad is so high-concept that actually showing the car would somehow be gauché. These are usually done for entire brands, where some more abstract quality of the brand is being called attention to.

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Huh. Maybe there are just two categories? I actually think those two cover the spectrum of these ads pretty well. And, while we’re at it, we should define some parameters of what makes a car-less ad: I think a truly car-less ad has no depictions of the particular car being sold whatsoever, even if the depiction is just a drawing or, really, any kind of representation of the car.

That’s why I don’t think this ad would qualify, for example:

Vw Egg

Yes, there’s no car there, just an egg, but it’s an egg with a Volkswagen Beetle drawn on it. So that disqualifies it.

Let’s look at some ones that do qualify and, unsurprisingly, we’ll continue with more from Volkswagen’s iconic midcentury ad campaign from Doyle Dayne Bernbach, which was not afraid to take risks like not showing a car. Or, in the case of this ad, anything at all:

Vw Blank62

Really, this ad from 1962 may be the ur-don’t-show-the-car-ad. It was clever as hell, and while it may have seemed like madness to pay for 75% of a blank page in a national magazine, DDB knew what they were doing. This vast white void caught a lot of eyes, and expressed VW’s fundamental philosophy better than a whole spread of pictures could.

Vw Snowyday

So this one I think would fit into the allegory/analogy one, where we see the results of what the car can provide, without seeing the car itself. Here we see tire tracks in snow, and the absence of the Beetle is evidence that the Beetle can drive well in the snow, which is the whole point of the ad. Again, very clever and effective.

DDB sure liked these kinds of unusual ads; here’s one of my favorites, from 1969:

Vw Lunarlander

This one combines a lot of things, and makes some really interesting demands on the viewer: it’s commemorating the moon landing – this ran right around when Apollo 11 landed on the moon, in July of 1969, and nearly everyone who saw it would recognize the lunar lander. The caption is a masterclass in self-deprecating praise: “It’s ugly, but it gets you there.” The VW logo below confirms that the “it” referred to both the lunar lander above and the Volkswagen Beetle, the perceived ugliness of which the advertising had long established a gleeful embrace of.

That one line suggests that the Beetle, like the lunar lander, may be unconventional looking, but is capable of achieving remarkable tasks of transportation. Not a word about the car is mentioned, but a whole narrative is formed in the viewer’s mind. This is an amazing ad.

Fiat132 Ad

This 1979 ad for the Fiat 132 takes a more literal allegorical approach, showing a wolf in sheep’s clothing, the meaning of which pretty much everybody understands: something that is fiercer than it looks. And that, in turn, suggests that the Fiat 132, a fairly reserved and proper-looking car:

…nevertheless had a more sporty, wild side that wasn’t immediately apparent. It’s an incredibly efficient way to convey that idea.

Let’s look at some of the other categories of car-less ads, the moody/pretentious category. As the name suggests, this one often veers into annoyingly pretentious and first-year-film-school sort of bullshit, though occasionally these can work. When they don’t work, though, they usually don’t work spectacularly, as in the case of what may now be the most infamous of these kinds of car-less car ads, the Jaguar Copy Nothing ad campaign:

Oy, remember how worked up we all got over this pretentious bullshit? I hear ERs all over the world had to staff up with ophthalmologists because of how many people were coming in with injuries from excessive and protracted eye-rolling.

I think prior to Jaguar stealing the most-annoying-car-less-car-ad crown, most people would have given that honor to the early Infiniti ads, which were sort of pioneers in the pretentious, show a mood, not a car category. Here’s the set of the commercials they ran just prior to the launch of the brand:

There’s a very conversational narrator, talking in hushed tones like he’s right there next to you at a bar, hovering a little too close. The imagery could have been taken from a slow-paced nature documentary, or perhaps a DVD that they play at the dentist’s office to try and keep you calm. I don’t think these played terribly well, but they did bring attention to the brand.

This one was a little different; it feels a bit like the pretentious/moody ads, but it’s really just an analogy:

The house, you see, is the Infiniti! The Infiniti has just that same sort of Japanese luxury, you see. Like the houses that carpenters build. Also, who is this old dude that goes into something like that as soon as he sits down at the table? Did he just arrive? Come back from the toilet? Does he know the other, silent guy? Is he selling something? I’m confused.

More recently, Lexus has run an ad campaign that sort of reminds me of those early Infiniti ads, but they’re a little weirder, in a way, and maybe in a way that disqualifies them from this category:

So … is this about the car or just the warranty? Is a warranty an inherent part of the car that’s being sold, conceptually? If it’s just about the warranty, is it still a car ad? I mean, maybe – lots of cars have been advertised based on the strength of their warranty.

Cadillac has tried this, too, during their Dare Greatly campaign, and it’s a pretty weird way to try and sell cars:

The text that the narrator is reading is part of a speech from Theodore Roosevelt, a speech with a title that gave Cadillac that motto. They show some background cars in the ad, but no Cadillacs, no driving, nothing that even really references the idea of a car or driving or anything. I’m honestly not really sure what the hell they were going for here, beyond attempting to associate Cadillac with, um, Teddy Roosevelt? I wonder how that’s working out for them?

Maybe at the opposite extreme is this 2007 Mercedes-Benz ad that just seems to be a filmed enactment of an old silly blonde joke:

I mean, okay, it’s sort of funny, but it also feels pretty dated and maybe a little misogynistic to modern eyes? I mean, I’m all for the idea of filming old jokes with high production values just because – I think that old one about the guy who had to clandestinely fart and a dog named Duke would be a great candidate for this – but is this a good way to sell cars? Maybe? Who knows.

Sometimes the analogy ads can really backfire on you if your initial analogy isn’t particularly well thought-out. Saturn’s most famous car-less ad (it does briefly show cars at the end, but I’m still going to accept this one) inadvertently spoke to a lot of people who didn’t particularly like cars at all, or who felt society could be better with many fewer cars:

I mean, I guess I can see that, unless you start to really think about the distances involved here or the existence of, you know, rain.

When it comes to analogy/allegory ads, I think a tighter focus tends to be better. These VW ads use analogy to highlight very specific safety features, for example:

Okay, that’s cute. And we get the message. Here’s another one:

Similar concept, also clever, gets the concept across well. Also, look at that cake! That looks pretty good.

Subaru Key Ad

Let’s end with another print ad, this one from Subaru. It’s an interesting take; it relies on the text of the letter as much as the image of that old key. The point is that Subarus are long-lasting, and the fact that the key wore out before the car is used to illustrate that. There’s really no need to show the car, just showing the key is much more attention-grabbing and memorable. There’s also a touch of self-deprecation to keep things grounded – the key did wear out, Subaru isn’t invulnerable – but it’s just mild enough not to detract. It’s clever.

I know there’s more of these, and if you know of good ones, please shove them in the comments! This is an interesting niche of car advertising, and I think there’s a lot of compelling thinking going on here that reveals what is really being sold when advertising cars: not a car, but a concept of a car. And that doesn’t always need a picture.

Top graphic image: Lexus

 

 

 

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Griz
Griz
29 days ago

I’d argue those aren’t car ads, per se, at that point. In the case of Jaguar they’re virtue signaling and selling emotion/feelings.

Lot_49
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Lot_49
29 days ago

Not exactly relevant, but who’d want to miss a chance to see Richard Gere drive his Lancia from Hollywood to Tibet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnh1pXwKNQU

I drive a boring SUV
I drive a boring SUV
30 days ago

Go search “Audi Keys ad” in YouTube for a masterpiece in advertising

Nick Fortes
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Nick Fortes
30 days ago

We used to have a number of mid century VW ads framed on the walls of our old apartment. Now you got me thinking of bringing it back but with all the ads I could find with no cars in them from any brands.

Emil Minty
Emil Minty
1 month ago

The moon landing ad could also have had the caption:

“Another triumph for German engineers.”

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
1 month ago
Reply to  Emil Minty

I regret that I have one smile to give! That is so spot on.

SkyRise
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SkyRise
30 days ago
Reply to  EXL500

That is some excellent lettering.

M. Park Hunter
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M. Park Hunter
30 days ago
Reply to  EXL500

Came here to say the same thing. Duesenberg did this very well.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
29 days ago
Reply to  EXL500

It’s a Doozy!

Clueless_jalop
Clueless_jalop
27 days ago
Reply to  EXL500

Someone needs to recreate these, but with Jay Leno in his “Canadian tuxedo”

Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
1 month ago

Mercedes (the company) made a chicken ad that wasn’t half bad.

https://youtu.be/nLwML2PagbY

Normand Cote
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Normand Cote
30 days ago
Reply to  Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
30 days ago
Reply to  Normand Cote

Thanks! I didn’t know that one.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
1 month ago

As someone who’s just about done fixing up the emissions systems on a ’98 Subaru to sell it to a young guy, that worn-key ad speaks to me.
(Doing it mostly for learning, now I know a bunch more about O2 sensors, EVAP and EGR systems.)

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

Geez, I make a joke about the hypothetical superiority of the Carnot cycle engines, and now this.

Lets see if the Autopian editorial board will go of on a tangent about cars upholstered with leather from spherical cows I mean just think about the advantages of spherical cow leather for a moment, now try to stop thinking of spherical cows. My work here is done.

Meanwhile, check out this Cadillac
https://d192n709vt6a6d.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/21172459/Life-1945-02-12_007.jpg

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

Geez, I make a joke about the hypothetical superiority of the Carnot cycle engines, and now this.

Lets see if the Autopian editorial board will go of on a tangent about cars upholstered with leather from spherical cows I mean just think about the advantages of spherical cow leather for a moment. Now try to stop thinking of spherical cows. My work here is done.

M SV
M SV
1 month ago

Saturn had some of the best commercials for the ion. The people running one followed by the carts and balls hitting them. Then the leaving highschool to collage. The leaving college to.The moving one the wedding one. It sort of told the story. Our cars are designed for you then they show you how and throw in some emotional appeal. They used to say designed for whatever is next too.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  M SV

That one is seared into my brain forever.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

Packard’s war time “Ask the Man Who Flies One” doesn’t show a car at all. Of course, it shows a fighter pilot and plane because it was advertising their making of aircraft engines for the war.

Guido Sarducci
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Guido Sarducci
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Those Merlin 30 litre V12 engines (many produced in the U.S. by Packard under license from Rolls Royce) were used for powering the P-51 Mustang, later series P-40F Warhawk, Spitfire, Lancaster, Halifax, and several other WWII aircraft.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Guido Sarducci

Then they taught Rolls Royce how to build them better and faster. The ad shows a later P-40. I don’t know where I put it when I moved, but I should find it.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I don’t know whether Rolls adopted the Packard approach.

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/classic-cars/a30763715/rolls-royce-vs-packard-who-built-a-better-merlin/

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yER8QRuw6FAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=flying+magazine+mar+1946&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

(Page 52)

I’d guess that on a good day the best Rolls engine builders probably could build an engine that was a bit better than a Packard one. However, the Packard engines cost half as much to build and were much easier to maintain (as the parts were standardised), which is the more important metric in wartime.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
29 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

I imagine they adopted what suggestions they could, but I don’t know if they had the capability at the time to do much more, especially where they had to keep banging engines out as fast as possible and couldn’t stop to make major changes. I think it was just the old hand-crafted mindset getting struck by just how good contemporary mass manufacturing had gotten.

I would guess that the Packard engines were more reliable in general as they’d be more consistent and their machining capability resulted in higher accuracy. A hand-fettled engine might be able to do better in theory, but RR wouldn’t have been able to devote the time into each engine and nobody would have wanted them to with expected service life of fighters measured in hours (while they also used them in bombers, I don’t know their expected service lives, though I suspect it was longer as they were in British bombers with redundant engines and they flew at night because the survival rates were higher than daylight raids).

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
29 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Not quite – RAF Bomber Command had some particularly appalling casualty figures, with some 44% being killed (55,000 out of 125,000) compared to 7.5% for the 8th Air Force.

The RAF flew without fighter escort and in planes that had been designed to carry lots of bombs, but not necessarily to get the crew home or indeed allow them to escape if they got shot down. That’s reflected in the proportionately higher number of wounded and captured USAAF crew compared to RAF flyers.

The only time the materiel crunch was critical for the RAF was during the Battle of Britain. The real problem was always with finding enough trained crew to fly the planes.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
29 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

I had read that they moved to night time due to day time losses, so that would imply they were worse in the day, but they also lacked escort. I never read much about the British missions beyond the dam busters. I was aware their planes were less survivable, though night missions would also make that worse, say in the event of an attempted crash landing. Are those numbers averaged over the whole war or comparing no-escort to no-escort? US losses dropped once they got full escort (something they should have had a lot earlier, but they weren’t allowed to put drop tanks on ’47s because the bombers could “take care of themselves”) and dropped even further when the fighters were allowed to hunt and kill, taking out a lot of Germany’s remaining good pilots (as well as hampering ground forces), instead of hanging top cover at slow speeds and waiting for the enemy to come to them.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
28 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Those are the total numbers for the whole war – as you rightly say there are a lot of circumstances throughout the war where losses would have been higher or lower.

https://digitalarchive.2ndair.org.uk/digitalarchive/ImageBrowser?tx=Combat+and+other+units&catNum=mc_376-280

Plenty of excellent figures in this book. You can definitely see the change in early ’44 when the fighter sweeps started.

AIUI the RAF moved to night operations because neither the Spitfire nor the Hurricane were long-legged enough for escorting, and there were some particularly bad daylight raids during the daytime which had more than 50% losses per raid.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
28 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Ok, that fits what I’ve read about the move. Yeah, the Spitfire had the range of a used Nissan Leaf. Hurricane was better, but not for anything deep and would have been outclassed in German territory with limited fuel against more recent fighters, much like the Germans during the Battle of Britain.

Thanks for the site!

Guido Sarducci
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Guido Sarducci
30 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Indeed they did. Packard made many design and production changes to the Merlin, including the addition of the two speed, two stage Wright supercharger which allowed superior performance at high altitude; Indium plated main bearings which improved break in and increased load bearing ability; and changes which improved maintenance and reliability of the engines. Rolls Royce Merlins were all previously hand built, with machined faces being finished at the hand of skilled machinists; Packard Merlins were finished using automated or semi automated techniques by a semi skilled male and female workforce (thumbs up to Rosie The Riveter, my Grandmother was a machinist during WWII).

Phuzz
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Phuzz
29 days ago
Reply to  Guido Sarducci

In Rolls Royce’s defence, they were getting bombed at the time, which made obtaining new machine tools rather difficult.

Guido Sarducci
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Guido Sarducci
28 days ago
Reply to  Phuzz

No need to defend RR. They made a smart move in outsourcing production to Packard, who manufactured them at their Detroit production facility.

Anoos
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Anoos
1 month ago

The top shot is exactly what I see when I look at a silver crossover.

I own a silver crossover. There have been times at a stoplight when the car in front of me is the same model / gen / color and the car in my rearview is the same model / gen / color.

It’s the only vehicle I’ve ever put stickers on, just so I’m not cursing my key fob for not unlocking the doors and panicking that someone stole my dog.

Bkp
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Bkp
30 days ago
Reply to  Anoos

I’ve been pretty tempted to do the same with my white Civic. I mean, it might as well have a blue horizontal stripe with the text “car” on the sides in homage to the 80’s generic foodstuffs trend.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
29 days ago
Reply to  Anoos

When I Worked at FCA I drove Jeep SUVs, and always put at least one sticker on the back window so I could tell mine from all the others.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
1 month ago

And how about those Tesla ads? Oh, riiiight …

Autonerdery
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Autonerdery
1 month ago

It wasn’t exactly an ad, but in 2003 Chrysler paid Céline Dion beaucoup bucks to record a cover of “I Drove All Night” (which they used, with Ms. Dion appearing, in a series of ads that did show Chrysler cars), and the music video—unlike the videos for the earlier Roy Orbison and Cyndi Lauper versions—somehow showed no car, no driving, hell, no nighttime as far as anyone can tell, just Céline in a studio playing air guitar like a doofus and some vaguely porny soft-focus B-roll of a canoodling couple.

Clueless_jalop
Clueless_jalop
27 days ago
Reply to  Autonerdery

TIL how “beacoup” is spelled.

JJ
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JJ
26 days ago
Reply to  Clueless_jalop

It’ll always be Boku to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boku_(juice)

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago

I still say everything about Paintbrush Guy in the Jag ad screams that he drives a second-gen Prius he bought new and hasn’t had a car payment since Obama’s first term.

GranTurismo
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GranTurismo
1 month ago

No mention of the classic “He Drives a Dusenberg”?

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

The weird thing is they showed the product in the commercial for Infiniti Q45 toilets, but not the one for their cars

Ariel E Jones
Ariel E Jones
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

I was going to ask who was going to be the first one to bring up the Infiniti Q45. This is nothing new.

Last edited 1 month ago by Ariel E Jones
Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Ariel E Jones

Oh…tell them you already know the part about the caca

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Spent some time in the field of advertising and these ads much like the coca cola billboard ads that were just the old coke bottle shape and no print are clearly advertising from advertisers for advertising awards. The average time a person looks at an ad is about 3 seconds. So that blank page or the slow rolling tv commercials usually results in no interaction just a turned page, a click on the remote, a pushed seek button on the radio OR of course a trip to the loo my darling for a poo

JJ
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JJ
26 days ago

Interesting. I’d have thought the blank VW ad is so shocking ppl would spend the time to figure out what it was about.

As a kid it always felt like every third commercial on TV was for a car. As if the strategy was to blast the ad enough times you’ll eventually see it.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
26 days ago
Reply to  JJ

Well much like a car salesman that is what the advertising salesperson will try to tell you. Funny in my newspaper career all the auto advertising salespersons I knew were cute young females. Probably just a coincidence right?

On a different note there’s a pool and spa company who once had their ad placed upside down in the local newspaper. They received so many calls from people telling them about it that to this day all their ads and store signage is placed upside down.

JJ
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JJ
22 days ago

I love that story. Bravo to them

Totally not a robot
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Totally not a robot
1 month ago

Ugh. That older couple already at the stop sign in the Saturn ad had the right of way! They were already stopped and could see no traffic going through the intersection. Why on earth did they feel it was appropriate to yield their turn and screw up traffic flow for the entire intersection because they didn’t want to take their turn properly?

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

I hate people that stop for a four way stop, wait thirty seconds for me to get there, then expect I will sit there waiting for them to decide to go.
I do not.

JJ
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JJ
26 days ago
Reply to  DNF

The other day I was at a red light waiting to go left. When it turned green the driver on the opposite side of the intersection waved me to go before she proceeded straight.

Took a while to explain to the kids why I was yelling at the person for “being nice.”

DNF
DNF
26 days ago
Reply to  JJ

That sort of thing can cause serious financial risk, particularly for the driver waving others ahead.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
1 month ago
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I don’t see what you didn’t do there.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 month ago

The worn-out Subaru key ad kind of reminds me of the old Dodge truck I just let go… The key was so worn that it could easily be slipped out while the truck was running. Still turned to start it every time, though. (And the spare key was perfectly fine and stayed properly locked in.)

Since it was a diesel, there was a bit of an advantage. I could leave it running to keep the meager heat running, take the key out and lock the doors for quick errands. It looked just like a typical remote-started car that was running with no key in the ignition. (And really, no one was going to steal a rusty work truck that makes David’s Jeeps look shiny and pristine…)

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
29 days ago
Reply to  UnseenCat

I owned a Plymouth Sundance for almost a year, that once running; the whole lock cylinder could be removed from the steering column. It would stay in without the key though.

When driving with someone new I would just yank it out and toss it in their lap while I was driving. Fun times…

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago

The 132 ad has made me remember that Fiat, once one of the greatest car manufacturers in the world, is now just a shell of its former self.

That has brought a small tear to my eye.

Last edited 1 month ago by Albert Ferrer
CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

> Fiat, once one of the greatest car manufacturers in the world

[citation needed]

M SV
M SV
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Tony said it was

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  M SV

Tony thinks Fiat was the greatest car maker in the world because it put his 7 children through college.

M SV
M SV
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Supports his family of 132 and village of 500

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

TBF that was a time when you could put 7 kids through college* on a FIAT mechanic’s salary. Ironically that was a time no degree of ANY kind was needed to become a FIAT mechanic.

*Probably at least a few of those kids made do with community college because Tony had a mortgage, a mistress, alimony and boat payments too.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

I know it is probably sarcasm, but just to cite three examples:

– The Fiat Twin Cam is the most successful engine in rallying (10 world championship titles).
– Pioneered the now ubiquitous gearbox-next-to-the-engine front wheel drive transverse engine layout (Autobianchi Primula).
– Invented the supermini class (Fiat 127).

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Back when they had a factory in Hyde Park NY they were making huge cars that were taking on Rolls Royce.

LMCorvairFan
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LMCorvairFan
30 days ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Fiat, now owned by a oddly named conglomerate that owns many formerly great car manufacturers of the world.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

I’ve noticed a number of ads lately that I can’t figure out what they are selling.
Can’t say if any are car ads.
Don’t know

JJ
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JJ
26 days ago
Reply to  DNF

Remember, ad agencies aren’t selling to us, they’re selling to the companies who hire them.

DNF
DNF
26 days ago
Reply to  JJ

True

RobN
RobN
1 month ago

That 2003 Saturn spot was one of the best of all time. Fight me.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago
Reply to  RobN

I mean, I disagee, but not strongly enough to fight over it. 🙂

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