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The Two Cars Named Caravelle Couldn’t Be More Different

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I’m not sure exactly what it is about Renault, but they seem to have a peculiar knack for sharing names with American cars of very, very different design, character, technical makeup, everything. The last time I brought this up, I was talking about Parisiennes, of both Renault and Pontiac varietals, but now I want to discuss Caravelles, still one Renault, but the other this time a Plymouth. Like the other Renault v. American-Car-With-A-Name-That-Starts-With-P, these two cars are wildly different despite sharing a name.

I don’t really understand why this keeps happening to Renault, this knack for sharing names with big American cars. The source of the name Caravelle in both cases seems to stem from the word caravelthe Portuguese sailing vessel designed specifically for trans-oceanic travel. Of Columbus’ famous trio of ships, two – the Niña and Pinta — were caravels.

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I think I first heard the word caravel in this song from harpist and suspected elf Joanna Newsom:

Here’s a bit of trivia! I knew someone who played in her band in the earlyish 2000s, and once shared a meal with her and some friends at Canter’s, my favorite LA deli. And now, predictably, I’m posting a video of her singing and playing the harp in a story about a French and American car named for a type of ship that’s mentioned in passing in this song. Life’s funny that way, right?

Anyway, back to the Caravelles; I’m not sure what the reason is for the more luxurious spelling, but it’s a hallmark of both the Mopar and Renault. The Renault was originally named the Floride, because the car was conceived in Florida by a group of American dealers who wanted something sporty and fun to enhance Renault’s image in America. The car was called the Floride in non-English speaking markets, but was renamed to the Caravelle, especially for America, where it was thought the other 49 states might feel bad not having the car named for them.

This seems a little silly to me; it’s not like anyone was expecting Renault to call a stylish little convertible the Idaho or North Dakota.

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The Caravelle was based on the same rear-engine/RWD platform as the Renault Dauphine, and came in both coupé and convertible body styles. Personally, I think these are just lovely cars, and I especially like the grille-less front end treatment with its forward rake and sharp creases.

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I like this sort of fake cutaway used in the brochure; the effect was archived just by removing a door and superimposing the engine at the rear, and a nice set of luggage packed into the front trunk. This is a pretty quick way to get a cutaway effect, and I’m surprised how well it works.

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Damn, these were cool! I’ve seen them in person out in the wild once or twice, and they always make an impact. They’re essentially the Karmann-Ghia equivalent to the Dauphine’s Beetle: a sports car built on the bones of an affordable car.

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The Plymouth Caravelle is a very different sort of machine; there’s two generations of them, which overlapped, kind of confusingly. The first started in 1983, and was a front engine/RWD sedan and coupé, starting as a Canadian model and then going to the US in 1985. The sedan version (or salon) was a sibling to the Dodge Diplomat, a car, when in police car form, was one of the most destroyed movie cop cars of the 1980s, or at least it seems that way. I had a high school friend who drove a Diplomat and boy was it a steaming pile. Maybe the Caravelles were less so.

Cs Caravelle Ply 3The coupé version had an interesting B-pillar design that incorporated a partial vinyl roof, but these were Canada-only cars.

In 1985, the second-gen Caravelles were created as a way to replace the Chrysler E-Class, and filled the gap between the smaller K-cars and the larger, still RWD Gran Fury. These new Caravelles were K-car-based as well, modern, FWD machines, using the same stretched K-car platform as the Dodge 600.

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The new Caravelle had a coupé version as well, and could be had with the ubiquitous 2.2-liter four or a Mitsubishi V6. I can barely remember these cars as being any different from many other similar K-car derivatives in the Mopar stable, if I’m honest.

I definitely prefer the French Caravelles in this context, but I’m sure the American/Canadian ones have their fans as well. What’s important is that we’re all well aware that there are two very different automotive Caravelles, and I think we’ve accomplished that.

So you can all relax.

 

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Ossipon
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Ossipon
10 minutes ago

Your lede is actually reversed. Obviously, the Renault came WAYyyy before Plymouth. Unless I am in a weird space-time puzzle.

Maymar
Maymar
12 minutes ago

Are the two cars named Caravelle more or less different than the two cars named Monte Carlo (yes, I’m aware one is missing the space between Monte and Carlo)? Within the same manufacturer, all of Ford’s Mavericks are pretty different from each other. Maserati and Chrysler Sebring?

Also, after recently spotting a Saab 900 Talladega, I’d like to suggest a name exchange program for cars named after places they’re not likely to be found (IE the Saab 900 Monte Carlo and the Chevrolet Talladega).

Antony Jackson
Antony Jackson
24 minutes ago

hmm, why does a French car manufacturer share names with American cars which use French words for car names ?

It’s such a mystery!

Why they’d name a car after the people that live in their capital city is just baffling and there must be some reason why Google auto detects French when asked to translate “Caravelle” but it is beyond the ken of mortal minds.

I’m pretty sure no one at Pontiac in charge of naming things had been to France or knew anything about Paris or it’s residents though. It’d be like having a Ford Upper West Side or a Chevy Martha’s Vineyard

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
24 minutes ago

My favorite candy bar used to be the Peter Paul Caravelle that disappeared in the late 70s when Cadbury absorbed Peter Paul. I get naming cars after sailing ships (Corvette, Clipper, etc.), but it seems a stretch for candy, although no odder than Three Musketeers, I suppose. I prefer names that fit the product, like Mounds or Chunky. Chunky would’ve been a better name for that Plymouth, too.

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Jakob K's Garage
14 minutes ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I have a sweet spot(!) for stories like that, like hearing Norm tell about Count Chocula or Jerry tell about Pop Tarts 😀

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
35 minutes ago

I feel like a car named Florida is just a 10yo Altima with body damage and a temp spare on one corner.

I too love these Renaults – the Chryslers, not-so-much.

Mark Tucker
Mark Tucker
36 minutes ago

I had an ’85 Plymouth Caravelle sedan, the K-car version. I bought it for $300 as a winter beater to keep the salt off my Mazda Protege. It has the distinction of being the only car I owned ever to be featured on the radio traffic report. It conked out right in the middle of the on-ramp to Interstate 394 in Minneapolis, in the middle of rush hour traffic, in the snow. I was the “stalled vehicle causing a 30 minute delay.” If you were in that traffic jam sometime in 2003, I apologize.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
40 minutes ago

Renault: Nice!

Plymouth: Ugh.

Joanna Newsom is great.

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
46 minutes ago

A friend of mine in high school had a Caravelle convertible and it could corner like nothing I had ever been in before. I guess it was my first rear engine ride, and it was amazing.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
46 minutes ago

If the headlights are the eyes, the grill is the teeth. You can’t get away with calling it Floride when it’s toothless.

Froomg
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Froomg
47 minutes ago

Customers at my granddad’s dealership in West Virginia invariably referred to the Plymouth version as a “Clara Belle,” which was appropriate given the car’s matronly vibe.

James Mason
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James Mason
54 minutes ago

The last time I rode in a Plymouth Caravelle was in 1997 (the K car version). The driver had his window down and was holding a shotgun, shooting at crows while we were cruising down a dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Good times…

Kris Ode
Kris Ode
1 hour ago

“What’s important is that we’re all well aware that there are two very different automotive Caravelles”
You forgot about VW Caravelle

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
59 minutes ago

Caravelle Cthursday?

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Jakob K's Garage
58 minutes ago
Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
36 minutes ago

Those were really good planes for the day.

ExAutoJourno
ExAutoJourno
49 minutes ago
Reply to  Kris Ode

There was also the mid-1950s Kaiser Carabela in Argentina.

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Jakob K's Garage
1 hour ago

The short wheelbase of the Renault Caravelle is really one of the worst in the history of car design, how hard could it be just to lenghten it so suit something that size? They paid a designer to draw the thing, couldn’t they pay an engineer to come up with a reasonable solution?

That – and the long nose full of air in the center/rear engined Ferrari Testarossa of the eighties. It was so goofy looking they had to paint some of it matte black.

The US one is good looking. Generic car. I like it.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Jakob K's Garage
GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
1 hour ago

It would have ruined the proportions. Look at the cutaway, and you’ll see that the engine sits behind the back axle, so however long the wheelbase was you’d always have to have quite a lot of car behind the wheels. They did the same at the front to balance it out.

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Jakob K's Garage
1 hour ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Karmann made it work with the Ghia. Same setup. Maybe have a round butt like on a Porsche or something. Many ways that could have been done better.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
51 minutes ago

You’re right, the Ghia is better. But I googled a bit and figured out why – the radiator in the Caravelle is mounted at the back and there’s additional space required back there, I guess for airflow.

https://automobilesetcetera.com/1967-renault-caravelle/

Weirdly the Dauphine the Caravelle is based on looks to have the radiator in front of the engine.

https://www.vfrenchcarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/imported/0/Renault-4CV-Dauphine-Upper-Hose-Rubber-Radiator-Raccord-Radiateur-5525829-114481677860-8.jpg

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Jakob K's Garage
44 minutes ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

The Dauphine is a great shaped car!
Hence my dissatisfaction with something based on it supposed to be more fancy, but looking worse

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