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Toyota’s Very First Sports Car Is Still My Favorite And Has A 2CV Tie-In

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Since I’m at this Toyota event, I’ve been thinking about Toyotas, so in that sense, I guess they’ve already won. Congratulations, you cunning bastards. But, really, joke’s on them, because the Toyota I’mm thinking of has been out of production for over 50 years and has almost nothing to do with modern Toyotas. It was also Toyota’s first sports car ever, and is a genuine little gem. I’m talking about the Toyota Sports 800.

The Toyota Sports 800 was built between 1965 and 1969, and was targeted at an American audience, much like how other early Japanese sports cars of a this era, the Honda S500 and Datsun Fairlady/Sports, for example, were. The difference with Toyota’s tiny sports car offering is that where the other two Japanese automakers were building, essentially, their own versions of the classic British roadster, Toyota decided to do something a bit more original.

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The Sports 800 used the air-cooled flat-twin engine from the Toyota Publica, which was a small, affordable car built to meet the Japanese government’s “national car concept,” essentially a “people’s car” project designed to encourage the development of a small, affordable car to get every family on wheels. The Publica took its mechanical inspiration from the Citroën 2CV, though front-wheel drive was considered a bit too radical, so the Publica was RWD.

In the Sports 800, the 2CV-inspired engine (it wasn’t strictly a copy; just a similar design) gained twin carbs, or, if you want to make it sound more impressive, one carburetor per cylinder, kicking output up to a dizzying 45 (or 49, depending on the type of rating) horsepower.

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This engine made much more power than the standard 2CV lump, thanks to the extra carb and greater displacement. A 602cc 2CV engine would only make between 29 and 32 hp, so in context, this thing was a real monster. That lower Japanese text, with the exclamation point there, is crowing about those two carbs. I’d be proud, too!

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The Sports 800 was a real tiny marvel. That air-cooled flat twin was tucked into a little, probably at least sorta aerodynamic targa-topped body, and the center of gravity was nice and low. These weren’t quick from an outside observer’s perspective (it was at least 16 seconds or so to get close to 60 mph) but for those inside the car, it was a blast.

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And while there wasn’t a lot of inside, what there was was well-designed and pretty comfortable, at least if you weren’t too big.

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Deep bucket seats, some room for your legs, a little lockable storage cubby between the seats in the rear bulkhead, and, if you lifted the roof off, infinite headroom, at least when the sun or moon wasn’t directly overhead, which would limit the headroom to 93 million miles and 238,900 miles, respectively.

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The design of the Sports 800 was especially appealing, looking sleek and modern and not really like anything else on the road at the time. It wasn’t over-ornamented, and had really satisfying, classic sportscar long hood/short deck proportions. It came out the same year as Porsche’s 911 Targa, so its lift-off roof was bang up-to-date. It even shared some styling details with its much more famous younger brother, the Toyota 2000GT:

The front end design is quite similar; design-wise, you can see how the 2000GT is an evolution of the little 800.

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Today, you could perhaps argue that the Toyota GT86 is the modern interpretation of this car, as it’s the only Toyota to return to a horizontally-opposed engine (albeit from Subaru) and it’s conceptually a similar sort of accessible small sports car. I think Toyota thinks so, too, as I remember they brought out a Sports 800 to the launch of the Scion FR-S (remember when the GT86 was called that?) back in 2012.

That was the first time I saw a Sports 800 in person, and I’ve been smitten ever since.

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Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
4 months ago

That engine looks more like a Panhard to me.
Love to get a Panhard.

Lost on the Nürburgring
Lost on the Nürburgring
4 months ago

Wasn’t one of these in You Only Live Twice?

I think the lines on the 800 are prettier the the 2000…

Last edited 4 months ago by Lost on the Nürburgring
Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
4 months ago

The 2000 GT was in that movie. Sean Connery couldn’t fit in the car so they made a one-off convertible. He still couldn’t fit behind the wheel so they gave him a driver. It’s the only movie where James Bond doesn’t drive a car.

Lost on the Nürburgring
Lost on the Nürburgring
4 months ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

That’s fascinating…

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
4 months ago

“I remember they brought out a Sports 800 to the launch of the Scion FR-S […] back in 2012. […] That was the first time I saw a Sports 800 in person, and I’ve been smitten ever since.”
The Lane Motor Museum actually has one https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/toyota-sports-800-1967/ The first time I visited the Lane was in 2006 or ’07 and it was indeed a real thrill to see their Sports 800 up close and personal after only ever having read about it since the early 90s. Yeah, likewise pretty smitten since then even though two-seater sports cars aren’t usually my cup of tea…

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago

I was there just a couple years ago and don’t remember seeing this. I am SURE it would have stood out for me, so I wonder if it wasn’t on display that day. Hoping for another project with the client nearby so I can visit again!

Neat little cars. How small are they? Similar to a Triumph GT6 or even smaller than that?

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Yeah, the Lane has something like 300 vehicles but only room to display some 150 vehicles on the main floor so they rotate vehicles on a regular basis though some days (maybe most if not indeed all days) they have a guided tour or two per day at specific times of the basement where you can see many of the vehicles not on display. It costs extra but it’s seriously well worth it!! I always do that every time I visit the Lane. So if you’re there and don’t see the Sports 800 on the main floor it’s quite likely that you can see it in the basement if you spring for the extra cost and make it to the scheduled time.
Yeah, the Sports 800 is pretty dang tiny, very much smaller than a Triumph GT6, and is even smaller than a MG Midget though it indeed has a real presence out of proportion to its actual size. Once you see it in person it’s easy to see why people are smitten with it.

Last edited 4 months ago by Collegiate Autodidact
Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago

Sadly I was only there on my “lunch hour” and couldn’t make the tour.

I suppose with the roof off I could probably drive one just fine, LOL.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Yeah, like the way they made two convertible versions of the 2000GT specifically for Sean Connery in the film You Only Live Twice.
Not sure how comparable the interior ergonomics are for both the Sports 800 and the 2000GT but I do remember the Top Gear hosts commenting that 5′ 10″ was the absolute maximum for the hardtop 2000GT and that drivers on the taller side had to fold themselves into the seat like a contortionist since the steering wheel doesn’t tilt. So, yeah, at the very least the Sports 800’s targa top would certainly come in handy, lol.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
4 months ago

The driving gloves on the driver’s seat. Ha!

Greg R
Greg R
4 months ago

Not if it’s right hand drive, as in Japan.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
4 months ago
Reply to  Greg R

They are on the right seat, directly in front of the steering wheel.

Joshua Christian
Joshua Christian
4 months ago

I was introduced to these cute little machines by You’re Under Arrest; one of the leads drove one as her personal car. It was a pretty interesting contrast to the Honda Today hero car they usually drove around in.

Last edited 4 months ago by Joshua Christian
OttosPhotos
OttosPhotos
4 months ago

Used to see several of these around town when I was a kid. Didn’t see a 2000GT until well into my adulthood, and that was at the Monterey Historics.

I’ll take either of them.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
4 months ago

Very cool! Didn’t know there was an older brother to the 2000GT.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
4 months ago

These are such appealing little cars. Alas, the closest I’ll probably ever get to one is the excellent Fujimi 1/24 kit that’s currently in my to-build queue.

David Iuliano
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David Iuliano
4 months ago

We had one of these show up to Cars & Coffee Greensboro. Hundreds of vehicles, and this one drew the crowd. Amazing.

David Iuliano
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David Iuliano
4 months ago

I’m not sure, but it’s been there at least twice. I’ve got a pic of it up on our website.

Toecutter
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Toecutter
4 months ago

I’d love a modern Sports 800 of similar size/mass, except fitted with an 800cc sport bike engine making 150+ horsepower. The Sports 800 was slightly under 1,300 lbs, and such a thing would be a riot to drive. It would be like a Suzuki Hayabusa sport in concept. Keep the drag low, and it will be fuel efficient also and could conceivably have a top speed > 160 mph.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
4 months ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I like your thinking! A Hayabusa engine, if it fits in the engine bay, might break every component in the drive train behind it, but also be a blast to drive.

AlfaAlfa
AlfaAlfa
4 months ago

Reminds me of a Lotus Elan.

Butterfingerz
Butterfingerz
4 months ago

Very nice car.I have never heard about it before this article.Thank you.

Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
4 months ago

It is a beautiful little car.

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
4 months ago

I remember when the GT86 was called the 86 too, since it’s now called the GR86…is it the most renamed car ever?

Last edited 4 months ago by Shooting Brake
TK-421
TK-421
4 months ago

I’ve never heard of/seen one of these, but it’s giving me NA Miata with a hardtop vibes. I’ll bet it’s fun as hell on a winding country road.

Peter Andruskiewicz
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Peter Andruskiewicz
4 months ago

… if you lifted the roof off, infinite headroom, at least when the sun or moon wasn’t directly overhead, which would limit the headroom to 93 million miles and 238,900 miles, respectively.

Makes me think someone reads XKCD 🙂

https://xkcd.com/3174/

James McHenry
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James McHenry
4 months ago

Toyota did make a recent concept car…whose name I can’t remember…that harkened back to this. It was in Gran Turismo. Smaller than the Frsbrz, too, which is saying something, as my FR-S is about as long as my Super Beetle.

Edit: Aha! The S-FR! They even made a racing version!

Last edited 4 months ago by James McHenry
Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago

Hmmm… Wonder how much these go for these days and how hard they are to find. Research time!

Doug Kingham
Doug Kingham
4 months ago
Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago
Reply to  Doug Kingham

Love that they won’t even show you the price. I’m not interested enough to reach out and waste their time, but I need to know what these sell for! Looks like a very nice example though, thanks for sending it!

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago
Reply to  Doug Kingham

Interestingly, it has an inline 4 cylinder, seemingly from a Toyota 1000. Now I have to look that one up too! My list of non work related research to conduct at work keeps getting longer!

Last edited 4 months ago by Forbestheweirdo
Doug Kingham
Doug Kingham
4 months ago

If you click on the seller’s name (AC Classics) you can see the other stuff they have, most of which have prices listed. The cheapest thing they have is around 15k€. I might need to do a road trip out there the next time I visit my in-laws. It looks like it’s only an hour or so away.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago
Reply to  Doug Kingham

Yeah, with prices everywhere from 15k to 150k, it’s a large range to be operating in. That would be a fun place to visit for sure!

10001010
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10001010
4 months ago

Any time I waste at work almost always has something to do with this site 😉

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago
Reply to  10001010

There is that haha

Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
4 months ago
Reply to  Doug Kingham

There was, maybe still is, a guy making replicas in Japan that cost as much as a supercar, as opposed to the real deal, which costs as much as a castle.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago
Reply to  Gilbert Wham

Making replica 800s? I’ve only ever seen 2000s. Interesting.

Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
4 months ago

No, sry, I was talking about 2000GTs, cos that’s what’s in the URL above. Tho if I had fuck you money, I would absolutely buy an 800 replica as well, were the chances but there, aye.

Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
4 months ago
Reply to  Gilbert Wham

Tho I’ve just seen it’s an 800 that the URL links to. Derp.

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
4 months ago
Reply to  Gilbert Wham

Castles are cheap, living in a castle? Not so cheap. Selling a castle is a whole hole of depth. Does anyone want a castle? I will swap for a Tooyata!

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
4 months ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

hell yes I want a castle! I have 2 Toyotas I’ll swap you for it!

Doug Kingham
Doug Kingham
4 months ago

That looks great! I never knew these existed. This gives me BMW Z8 vibes (at least the Z8 with it’s hardtop on). Now to see if I can find one for sale . . .

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