“Your eyes are bigger than your stomach”. Mom would say that when I’d come back to the table at Wang’s Family Buffet, a plate stacked a foot high with eggrolls, chicken wings, and crab rangoon. She was right; I was never going to finish consuming all of that fried goodness, and I knew it. Our own David Tracy has experienced the same issues with sad vehicles that he saw online and simply had to purchase with little regard to the number of similar sad vehicles he already owned. A few he’s brought back to some semblance of life, while many others molder and become affordable housing for possums. Those are the subjects of today’s showdown.
NOTE: You’ve probably already noticed that Mark is out this week, so the rest of the staff is taking turns trying their hand at Shitbox Showdown. The following cars are not really owned by David Tracy and thus not for sale, since they do not actually exist. If they did, however, I have no doubt that our great founder and Jeep devotee David would have had derelict examples like these in his collection, so just go with it.
Yesterday, Thomas presented us with equally tragic “whole life crisis” cars, in this case Canadian-specification sports machines that Bryan Adams might have gifted himself with after winning a Juno Award in the early eighties.
Neither is much of a prize now, but it was a blowout for an Audi-built Porsche against the often-unloved Corvette C4. Our dear readers would apparently rather do 1980s cosplay as a thirtysomething cocaine-addicted stockbroker than as balding fiftysomething owner of a concrete company that also owns a Donzi speedboat (though I’m not sure if those stereotypes hold up above the border).
Today, there’s a couple of too-good-to-pass-up examples of Jeep products David purchased a year or so ago that were left behind when he went Hollywood; you might remember the rescue stories. Both are Sebring Red, both were ill-fated attempts by Jeep to expand their market share in 1987, and both are as needy as a person who posts ten times a day on Instagram. David has finally had a revelation and accepted the fact that someone else has to make them Their Problem. Which of these two death throes American Motors products would you choose?
1987 AMC Jeepster- $4,500 “OBO”
Engine/drivetrain: 4.2 liter Inline Six, 5 Speed Manual, 4WD
Location: Ferndale, MI
Odometer reading: 27,678 miles, probably flipped (the odometer, not the car, maybe)
Runs/drives? Technically, yes, but realistically no
The idea of making a Jeep Wrangler into something more practical for daily suburban use than, well, a Jeep Wrangler, is an admirable idea. Styling this streetable YJ to look like a Pacer might not have been an admirable idea. The AMC Jeepster failed to find buyers despite the capable Wrangler chassis under the comfortable, weather tight targa topped body, but the concept proved quite appealing to David, especially a surviving example in a sad state with one pop up headlight winking happily at him. If you can imagine a Suzuki X-90 that actually made sense, this might be it (they tried again with a concept that went nowhere in 1998).
This particular one is a Holy Grail with a five speed and the Trailrunner package with a lift, and inclinometer, side steps, and cool driving lights hidden under the grilles below the windshield. David got this example running rather easily and drove it an astonishing 800 miles back to the Motor City a year ago, which you can read here. Since that time he’s done , well, very little. He did some minor brake work and flushed the radiator, but even the Taco Bell wrappers from his return trip that he was going to pitch the next morning are preserved for the ages. Power accessories reportedly work except for the door locks (like, who’s gonna steal it?), and if you prioritize tunes over conditioned air, you might be happy with this Jeep, or car, or whatever it is since the radio works but climate control fan does not.
Door panels with the “Pacer” style fin (the fishbowl glass can’t roll all the way down) are in good shape, even if not all of the speakers work.
The top is sealed relatively well, and the rear seats flanked by cool louver-covered side windows look like they were never occupied by anything other than mold, mildew, and a few mice.
In back the trunk lid features giant cartoon Jeep taillights and a special flexible exhaust bracket (bungee cord).
No mention if David has the optional trunk seats seen in the brochure below; they’d be nice to have if nothing else as a surface over the likely rusted floor.
The clutch is having a hard time mediating between the engine and the rare five speed, but a sieve-like main seal means you or your mechanic will become friendly with this part of the car anyway. Under the hood, the legendary Jeep six still reportedly runs strong, which is a good thing considering the limited access the deep windshield provides to the back cylinders. If you have to change the back plugs, words will emerge from your mouth that broadcast TV would beep out.
David will even throw in the Jeep compass/Swiss Army knife key for instead of hoarding it as a keepsake!
This Big Red Egg needs plenty of work but appears to be in decidedly better nick than Tracy’s next offering.
1987 Jeep Honcho OffRoadster Pickup- $3,500 OBO
Engine/drivetrain: 5.8 liter dual throttle body fuel injected V8, 5 Speed Manual, 4WD (if it works)
Location: Royal Oak, MI
Odometer reading: 64,546 miles (likely flipped once)
Runs/drives? More than likely could run, what constitutes ‘drives’?
If there’s one car that pulls at David’s heartstrings, it’s large new-for-1962 Jeep SJ trucks; the Cherokee and pickup models he owns are seemingly non-negotiables in terms of things he’ll part with. The 1987-1992 full sized SJX that replaced it might be a bit too modern and refined to earn that much of his love, but the Holy Grail Honcho OffRoadster model of this short-lived series certainly was a must-have. Only 1000 were planned to be built, but the VINs stop after about 587 so it appears there were few takers. Naturally, when Mercedes Streeter found one outside of Chicago, logic got thrown out faster than a Spin Doctors CD and he immediately purchased it. After a bizarre adventure of getting it sort of running and back to Detroit (which you can read here), he kept it in climate controlled storage, meaning the climate of the parking lot in Royal Oak where he left it controlled the continued deterioration. Grand plans for a frame-off restoration changed to the frame attempting to rust itself off. By David’s own admission, this ‘project’ is good from afar but far from good (and, as we said, rougher than the Jeepster).
With an electric sliding roof panel, a 360 cubic inch fuel injected V8, a five speed and special wheels and ground effects, the Offroadster was a short wheelbase SJX Honcho modified by ASC when new. Some fender flares are cracked; finding a replacement will prove as likely as Drake really getting into collecting Wartburgs. The blow molded plastic “air gate” is still there, and the randomly-opening-cargo-dump feature is still functional.
You can see the way the roof works in the owner’s manual snippet below.
The roof panel, which is now primarily emergency crank operated, would allow a lot of water in if it wanted to, and it looks like much water did indeed want in. This water rusted out much of floors and caused the interior to smell like the south side of San Francisco at low tide. Electric windows work, the Cerwin Vega Bass Boxx does not, and I wouldn’t even ask about air conditioning. The comprehensive instrumentation on the seven-slot dashboard works sporadically, which means it doesn’t really work at all.
Still, David did drive it over three hundred miles to its current resting place, so indeed it “ran when parked”. Since that was over a year ago, you had best bring a tire compressor and jump pack to even think of driving it anywhere.
David said that this formerly 235 horsepower truck was “pretty fast”, but when your frame of reference is old postal Jeeps and Oldsmobile compacts my guess is that, combined with the carbon monoxide from the busted exhaust, was skewing his opinions. If you want an example of how rarity doesn’t equate to monetary value, this OffRoadster is certainly it, but the potential for period cool factor is still high for ambitious welders.
So put on your Vision Street Wear t-shirt, pop on a backwards baseball cap and hightop Reeboks; time to decide. Yeah, neither of these alternative universe Jeep actually exist, but which one of these running 1987 basket case would you want to pop your Def Leppard Hysteria cassette into, if either AMC tape deck worked? On a deeper level, the Jeep brand needs all the help it can get these days, so your input on these unexplored product niches is even more important today than it would have been four decades ago. Would a full-sized Jeep truck or a modern Wrangler Jeepster today change their fortunes? Choose now – David needs both of these gone quickly.
I prefer the pregnant fiat x1/9 over the kcar pickup. Though both are overpriced.
I don’t get how this vote even works. Fake cars fake money yet pos quality? Hope Mark gets back before. His baby is totally ruined.
“Fake cars fake money yet pos quality?”
Eighties Jeeps, so, you know. verisimilitude.
I like the Jeepster. I will fight anybody who likes the other fictional vehicle.
There’s 251 of us so far. I like our odds.
Ran when parked? Looks more like ‘Parked then ran.’
I would really have to see the undercarriage of both of these before deciding. I suspect they are pretty rendered.
Nice pun. However, as of right now, I would suspect they are totally unrendered.
Buying a dead Jeep Honcho from the Autopian’s Head Honcho seems like something one should do.
I’m putting a lift kit on that Honcho before I even register it.
By lift kit, do you mean an Uber app on your phone?
You know there’s a company that offers ute kits for WJ that looks awfully close to that Honcho, just need the roll/lightbar deal and lower them a bit.
I love both of these ideas, and I actually prefer the Honcho Offroadster design. With all the mini SUVs becoming trucks, something like this could fly nowadays. But playing by the rules, the Red Egg Jeepster is in better shape & a better deal.
I’ll take the Jeep Ute over the Jeep Aztek, though the Jeep Aztek seems extremely funny.
Jeepster for me, the bed’s too short on the Honcho and I don’t want to wear a rain slicker when I drive.
Though I haven’t sat in a Jeepster, with that short hood does the I6 engine protrude into the cabin like in a van?
Gubbin- no, it just has a painfully deep dashboard as on a Pontiac TransPort
Hm, serviceability and NVH might be a little harsh but a dashboard you can sleep on like a bed might be useful.
V8 and 5 Speed, yes please.
But it is an AMC 360 V8. It’s not a good engine at all. Even David admits it.
Fair point…..still I would probably still try to live with it. Probably Holley Sniper the thing to make it something I could live with.
Honcho all the way over here. Fantastic Showdown; bravo Bishop!
Extra points for Def Leppard Hysteria.
fake cars, really?
You should’ve done this for april fools
They’re real to me!
they’re less real than a mirage 😛
At Autopian, every day is April Fools.
fair enough
Give me the Honcho.
I want to name it “Mike”
That Jeepster has aged worse than I would have expected and is not at all worth that place, even if the taco bell box on the passenger footwell is full. Honcho all the way because while it’s dated, at least it has some practical use left in it.
I’m voting for the exceptionally rare Jeep Tracy. It comes from the factory with an AMC 4.0 I6 with a blown head gasket, a manual transmission that is currently in a kitchen sink, rust holes, a colony of mice that are in eternal war with a colony of cats, and a stack of citations from the City of Troy MI.
Honcho.
YODO
This is a tough one. It will be impossible to get parts for either one! I guess I’ll become a metal fabricator and go with the Honcho
The Bishop is a next-level troll. I salute your spot-on alt-world roast. When do we get an LA DT spoof?
David finds the discarded prototype of the “Holy Grail” BMW i9, the lifted off-road Dakar-inspired version of the hybrid i8 sports car. Unfortunately cat piss has delaminated the carbon fiber space frame which has rendered it undriveable. Undeterred, David tows it home with his Barbie Jeep where it becomes a decaying sculpture in his apartment car park. A battle with Los Angeles City Code Enforcement ensues. In a stroke of genius, he has it declared an artwork symbolizing the futility of trusting industrial solutions to ecological disasters.
I’ll take the Jeep Fiero … I mean Jeepster. I ain’t got time for rusted out floors and frame problems.
Shop-Teacher: Am I correct in remembering that you showed some mad welding skills on an ultra-tall bike? If so, you could make the Honcho roadable in a weekend.
No that wasn’t me. I drove my shitbox Corolla to the meet. Crap, what was that guy’s screen name!?! BAH! He’s a super cool dude, and that bike was amazing.
It was indeed! My kid still talks about it. Sorry for the confusion, and great to meet you.
It was great to meet you as well. It takes a lot to get me into the city proper, especially during rush hour, and that meetup was totally worth it.
The Honcho will make an outstanding garage companion to my Dad’s old Denbeigh Super Chauvinist, which coincidentally also ran when parked. We’ll take the truck.
Well done, Your Eminence!
I have to hand it to you on the little Jeep grille reimagined on the dash as HVAC vents. That’s pretty good.
“…but even the Taco Bell wrappers from his return trip that he was going to pitch the next morning are preserved for the ages.”
Just be glad it isn’t fossilized chow mein and Panera bread bowl…
I like the Honcho OffRoadster more, but I’m not dealing with rusted out floors. My vote went to the Jeepster.
Same here.
Yep! I SSSSOOOOOO want a Honcho, but have to go with this Jeepster based on condition.
That’s why I did that challenge that way. The Honcho is far more capable and cooler but are you willing to deal with whatever is under that carpet?
If I go Jeepster can I get DT to autograph the Taco Bell wrappers? This is non negotiable.
The Honcho is sweet, so I’ll go with that.
As always, The Bishop does fantastic work!
Pop up headlights vs V8 with a stick?!?
GAAAAAAAH!!! HOW DO I CHOOSE?!?
I guess… ummmm… okay, fine! Honcho it is.
No!! Jeepster.
Wait. Definitely Honcho.
Yeah.
thankfully either choice is a terrible one
Smash ‘em together and call it the Heepster.
Heepster or HEAPster?
Honchster! No, Jeepcho! Wait, no, Honchster! Arrrgh!