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Which W12 Would You Pick? 2004 VW Phaeton vs 2012 Bentley Flying Spur

Sbsd 4 24 2026

For our final installment of Same Platform Week, we’re looking at two luxury sedans built on Volkswagen’s D platform. The D, of course, stands for “Damn, this thing is complicated.” Only one wears a Volkswagen badge, however. The other, improbable as it may seem, is a Bentley.

We had another really close vote yesterday, as often happens with two similar cars. The two Honda SUVs we looked at shared engines and drivelines, but had different transmissions, and that seems to be what tipped the scales ever so slightly in the CR-V’s favor. Many of you said you would have chosen the Element if it had a manual gearbox.

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I think I might pick the CR-V regardless. The manual is just the icing on the cake. I don’t have anything against the Element, but the CR-V just seems more my style. It’s just a decent little car. The Element is more of a lifestyle choice, and it’s not one I’m sure I want to make.

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Every automaker has made at least one truly boneheaded move in its history. Ford had the whole Pinto fiasco, Chrysler partnered up with Daimler, Daewoo came to America. In my opinion, Volkswagen’s boneheaded move was hiring Ferdinand Piëch to run the place. Piëch insisted on moving the brand upmarket, attempting to turn the People’s Car into the Rich People’s Car. He also bought up luxury brands and folded them into the Volkswagen Group. The result of all this putting on airs was this unlikely pair of automotive siblings: a Passat with delusions of grandeur, and a Bentley that would have given old Walter Owen a migraine with its complexity. Oh, for the carefree days of nice simple Beetles and Rabbits. Let’s check them out.

2004 Volkswagen Phaeton – $9,000

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Image: Facebook Marketplace seller

Engine/drivetrain: 6.0-liter OHC W12, five-speed automatic, AWD

Location: Ravenna, MI

Odometer reading: 74,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Volkswagen’s fanciest car to date was Piëch’s pet project, intended to compete with Mercedes and Lexus. It cost a fortune to develop, and absolutely flopped in the marketplace. It turns out that if you want a Mercedes or a Lexus, you go buy a Mercedes or a Lexus, not a Volkswagen. The few buyers who did pony up for an ultra-premium Volkswagen lost their shirts on depreciation: This car is being sold for less than one-tenth of its original price.

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The base model Phaeton came with a 4.2-liter V8 from Audi, but this one has the optional engine: VW’s bonkers W12. Imagine two of the VR6 engines in your cousin’s GTI joined together on a common crankshaft, and you get the idea. This six-liter monster puts out 414 horsepower through a five-speed automatic to all four wheels. It’s ferociously complicated, and not what you’d call trouble-free. This one runs and drives well, according to the seller, but there’s no telling when the next sensor will find something it isn’t happy with and trigger a check-engine light. Right now the only warning light is the tire-pressure monitor; the car has new tires, but obviously someone didn’t reinstall or reset the sensors.

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It’s as fancy inside as you’d expect from a car in its price class, with power features galore, and every surface adorned with leather or wood. I want you to pay particular attention to the control panel on the side of the driver’s seat; it will become important in a minute. It’s in good shape overall inside, but it could use a good cleaning.

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I think one of the big problems with the Phaeton is that it really does just look like a slightly bigger Passat. There’s nothing special or memorable about its appearance at all. This one is in good shape, but it appears to be missing the VW badge on the back. How are people supposed to know it’s a Volkswagen?

2012 Bentley Continental Flying Spur – $27,999

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: Twin turbocharged 6.0-liter W12, six-speed automatic, AWD

Location: Los Angeles, CA

Odometer reading: 63,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Unlike Volkswagen, Bentley has a long and rich history of building big fast cars, going back more than a hundred years now. The marque has been owned by Volkswagen since 1998, and this big sedan has been around since 2005. Depreciation hasn’t been kind to this one either. This Continental Flying Spur was a nearly $200,000 car when it was new, but now you can buy it for about as much as a Hyundai Elantra.

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The Flying Spur is also powered by a W12, but Bentley worked its own magic on it: this one puts out 552 horsepower thanks to twin turbochargers. Combined with a six-speed ZF automatic and all-wheel-drive, it made the Flying Spur the fastest production sedan in its day. It’s no slouch even today. Of course, it sucks down fuel like nobody’s business, and trying to do any service or repairs on it is likely to drive you insane, but that’s the price you pay. The seller says this one runs and drives well, though it has a check engine light. They think it’s a fuel cap issue, but it’s worth checking for yourself. Do those cheap Autozone OBDII scanners work on Bentleys? They must, right?

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Remember those seat controls on the Phaeton? Look at this photo. Deja vu, right? It’s one of my problems with “premium” cars; you can always spot the parts that came out of someone else’s bins. The rest of the interior is awfully nice, though, I have to admit. And apart from a few little things, it’s in really good condition.

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Honestly, this one doesn’t look all that special on the outside either. It’s a fairly generic large four-door sedan. Take the Bentley badges off, and no one would know what it was. It’s in nice condition, as it should be for the price. I think the black wheels are aftermarket, and frankly, I’m not a fan. A dark gunmetal gray would look better, I think.

I try to be as impartial as I can about the cars I feature here, just in the interest of fairness, but I guess I can’t hide the fact that I don’t actually like either one of these. The Phaeton is just silly, and the Bentley brings out my inner class-warrior. But I’m curious to hear what you all have to say about them. You’ve got all weekend to vote and discuss. See you back here on Monday!

 

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Borton
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Borton
5 days ago

I went with the Bentley. In real life I wouldn’t go anywhere near either one of these with my money.

Mike F.
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Mike F.
5 days ago

Bentley. If I’m driving straight into all sorts of hell, then I’d rather be doing it in a Bentley. One teeny-weeny-eensie issue, though: the car can’t pass smog here in California with that check engine light on. That means I’ve made my choice, but unless the seller fixes that problem (and with any luck, he won’t), I’m off the hook. WINNER!

James Andrew
James Andrew
5 days ago

Same same, but different!

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
5 days ago

Two comments: 1) Mark, you have made me cringe several times over the past couple of weeks due to your presented choices. Congrats.
2) The Ford Pinto wasn’t a disaster, as it was a decent car for the time and made them money. Going all ovoid in the late 90’s and renaming all of their cars as F-words was a disaster.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
5 days ago

Phaeton for me! It’s the more unique and bizarre car, and the more fun one to tell car people that you owned once. Also doesn’t make me look stupid rich. Plus, maintenance is probably at least slightly cheaper without the turbos. And it’s so much cheaper that once I get my first $10,000 repair bill, I can justify getting rid of it rather than fixing it

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
5 days ago

If I’m going to have one of these luxury cars broken down in my driveway it is going to be the one that is 1/3 the price of the other. No other rational is rational

Njd
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Njd
5 days ago

I guess I’ll go with the one that’s less of a financial disaster waiting to happen.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
5 days ago

Obviously the VW leaves a lot more money in my pocket for the maintenance and inevitable repairs. At some point, I’d yank the engine out and put it in a ’30s hot rod Lincoln or something like that.

M SV
M SV
5 days ago

Neither but those vag Bentley parts are a PIA so I guess phantom not that it’s better in anyway but possibly slightly cheaper to get parts for. Especially the electronics that are always acting up in those. Debage or up badge if you really have an issue with it.

JDE
JDE
5 days ago

Yep, Bentley, at least if I have to get rid of the 12 I am pretty close to Westen and he already has experience fitting a Cummins diesel into a similar car.

SAABstory
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SAABstory
5 days ago

Which self-inflicted injury would I prefer? The fancy one, I guess. Bentley. In reality I’d rather buy a Altima off Facebook Marketplace. Probably less issues.

Y2Keith
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Y2Keith
5 days ago
Reply to  SAABstory

Which self-inflicted injury would I prefer? The fancy one, I guess. Bentley.

Gotta agree. Besides, pain heals, chicks dig scars, and glory lasts forever, right? Might as well roll in style if it’s gonna hurt either way.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
5 days ago

The flavor text on the Bentley choice nailed it. From the instant I read the headline, I thought, “if I’m gonna be in trouble, I might as well be in BIG trouble.”

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
5 days ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

Exactly. The whole time I kept thinking “No point having all the Bentley trouble without the Bentley.”

Mighty Bagel
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Mighty Bagel
5 days ago

You’re only buying one of these if you’re seriously into pain for your pleasure, S&M of the automotive world. And if I’m going that route, I’m not going to cheap out on it. Bentley. Thank you Ma’am, may I have another?

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
5 days ago

Today is definitely a ‘Neither’ day for me.

JimmyTheKid
JimmyTheKid
5 days ago

Gross.

Protodite
Protodite
5 days ago

Phaeton all the way! Hand down the best car my family had ever owned. Love love love that car. A third the price of the Bentley? For sure.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
5 days ago

Which foot would you like cut off, right or left?

FastBlackB5
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FastBlackB5
5 days ago

The VW. I would drive it until something was unfixable. Then I would sell it piecemeal to recoup the cost of ownership. I might only lose 3 years and $5000 on it. Plus the times it did drive I could sus out the other degenerate car nuts around me who noticed the Phaeton from any other VW.

Aaronaut
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Aaronaut
5 days ago

This is a big double “NOPE” for me, my man.

*Jason*
*Jason*
5 days ago

You want me to pick between two incredibly high maintenance and unreliable cars – each with a warning light that the seller says is an easy fix but didn’t fix? No thanks.

4jim
4jim
5 days ago

Piëch knew were they money is. Poor people don’t buy cheap cars from what I hear.

Huja Shaw
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Huja Shaw
5 days ago

Just reading this made my wallet tremble. Buying one of these will be the reason your kid still has crooked teeth.

Last edited 5 days ago by Huja Shaw
Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
5 days ago

Is Jagvar still around? 😛

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
5 days ago

“I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure”

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
5 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

I think both of these cars elicit a “Game over man!”

Tekamul
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Tekamul
5 days ago

All I did was read the article and my mechanic sent an invoice for an hour of diagnosis time.
I voted Bentley, because if you can’t swing 28k upfront, you can’t swing W12 maintenance.

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