It’s not exactly a lie, but when you see a headline crying about how the average transaction price of new cars in America is around $50,000, it’s important to remember that this number includes every loaded Grand Highlander, Denali-grade GMC truck, and Ineos Quartermaster. In some ways, that’s not the best number. I think the most helpful number is $35,377, and while that’s high compared to the past, I think it’s also a way more digestible figure.
I’ll start today’s Morning Dump with a bit of a repudiation of our fixation on ATP and explain why $35,377 is your better target price if you’re just buying a car. Maybe don’t pay that much for a Honda Prologue, though, as the Prologue is officially dead. Also, make sure your pay for your food if you work at Ford plant or you might get fired (and you might get fired if you do pay).
That’s all heavy, so let me end Friday in the usual way with some cool cars. In this case, a collection of some truly great Benzes.
$35,377 Is ‘The Keating Line’ Price For Cars
Here’s the chart everyone likes to refer to, via Cox Automotive:
As you can see, incentives and average transaction price have leveled off near $50k post-pandemic. Some of this is certainly costs rising, and to that you should blame both inflation and tariffs (which also likely contributed to inflation). And while it’s a big deal that this number briefly got above $50k, I think the $50k ATP price is a little misleading.
Why? That $50,000 number was somewhat specifically tied to a period in time when carmakers shoved a ton of electric vehicles out of their doors in order to claim the IRA tax credit, as you can clearly see in the graph. I do think the market will get back to a $50k ATP at some point, and that will largely be a reflection of the sort of K-shaped car market that includes people buying a lot of more expensive, three-row SUVs.
If you’re a normal person, looking for the normal car, that number gives the false impression that you should expect to pay $50,000 or more to get a new car. If someone is offering you a 911 for $50,000, take that deal, but as an average buyer looking for a vehicle in the most common segments, I would ignore it.
What’s a better number? I love naming things (when I coined the term trimflation to describe the prioritization of production of higher trim levels I never expected it would take off like it has) and I think the price you should consider paying for an average car will, from now on, be referred to as The Keating Line, for Cox Automotive analyst Erin Keating, who wrote this:
The largest concentration of available vehicles […] remains in the $30,000-to-$40,000 price range, where dealers had more than 688,000 units at month-end, roughly 24% of available inventory. The average listing price within that segment was $35,377, and days’ supply measured 70 days, well below industry average. In June, 28% of vehicles sold were priced in this $30,000-to-$40,000 range.
That makes a lot of sense to me. You take the largest price segment in terms of available inventory (in this case, $30-40k vehicles, making up 24% of the market) and you take the average listing price of that segment, which typically accounts for incentives (but not financing) and you’re currently left with $35,377.
This has the effect, I think, of getting us something closer to a median price than an average by kicking out the higher and lower ends of the market. Though, again, this isn’t a transaction price, this is a listing price. What you end up paying will have a lot more to do with very specific circumstances around financing, trade-ins, et cetera, and this number nicely sidesteps all of that. If you’re just looking for a nice new car, the Keating Line is a decent indicator of where you should set your expectations.
There are a lot of cars that most people seem to buy in that price bracket. That’s the price of a decent FWD RAV4 if you want a crossover, a nicely equipped Honda Accord hybrid if you want a sedan, or a Ford Maverick if you’re more into trucks. Obviously, if you want nicer trims or different drivetrains you might have to downsize your vehicle choice, but it gives you a place to start.
One of the shortcomings of this is that maybe you always end up with a number that’s somewhere in the middle. Would that have been true in the past? A few years ago, the most populous segment was $20k-$30k cars, and my guess is that the average price there was probably closer to $30k as the upper $20s got you the thick part of the market where there were a lot of Ford Escapes, mid-trim RAVs, et cetera.
I’m going to reach out to Cox Automotive and ask them why we don’t have a median transaction price and what The Keating line might have looked like in past years to see if it always tends towards the middle.
The Keating Line! You heard it here first.
Wait, The Prologue Wasn’t Already Dead?

To me, the GM-based Honda Prologue is the poster child for everything that went wrong with the EV head fake the industry experienced over the last few years. This is a decent-looking vehicle from an established brand that sold decently well when there were tax credits to be had. That it failed, ultimately, is both a reflection of larger trends not specific to this vehicle (a new administration running away from EVs, the reality that there aren’t as many buyers for EVs), and some specific issues this vehicle had (too expensive for less performance than a Tesla, with early-Tesla bugginess).
When Honda announced it was killing all its new EVs in the United States, I presumed that included the Honda Prologue. I guess it technically didn’t mean that, but Honda told Car And Driver that is, indeed, what is happening:
A Honda spokesperson confirmed the news to Car and Driver. “Honda will conclude sales of Prologue later this year following completion of the 2026 model year,” its statement read. “Prologue customers will continue to receive full support through our dealer network, including service, parts, and warranty coverage.”
It’s kinda strange that Honda won’t have a single EV for sale here next year.
Ford Looking Into Snack Kiosks That Keep Leading To The Company Firing Employees

As Ian Flemming wrote in Goldfinger: “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.”
I saw an article earlier this month about how a UAW worker at a Ford plant in Kentucky was fired for stealing a $1.95 cookie. It turns out he didn’t actually steal the cookie, and that his life was sent into a tailspin over an accident . This seemed like a fluke to me and I didn’t write it up, because as bad as it was, weird things happen all the time and Ford eventually offered the employee his job back.
According to this Detroit Free Press article, this isn’t just a one-off, but a trend:
Three union members with knowledge of the events interviewed by the Detroit Free Press say they believe there is a glitch in the vendor’s self-service machines resulting in the wrongful terminations of employees. The Free Press is not revealing the names of the members because they were told by their supervisors to not speak to the news media. The UAW administration did not respond to repeated requests for a comment on this situation.
Also, one of the union members and a Ford official both confirmed to the Detroit Free Press that at least three people who were recently fired from the Michigan Assembly Plant for alleged theft in the food store have been brought back to work after an investigation cleared them. The Detroit Free Press is not naming the Ford official because they said they are not authorized to share that information with the media.
That’s not great. A lot of this seems to revolve around the system either glitching out or beeping affirmatively even when a transaction failed (alternatively, some members claim in the article that the opposite happens and they’re charged erroneously for items they didn’t buy). This seems like a UX problem from Aramark, the kiosk-providing company, that’s turned into something way bigger. Given how hard it is to find great employees, this “fire first, figure it out later” approach also seems very flawed.
Self-serve kiosks should be a solved problem, but Ford also thought that using AI to do quality checks was a solved problem before having to reverse course and hire back its veteran quality control staff. Sometimes, the best person for a job is a person.
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What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
If you buy one of those sweet ’80s Benzes you need to pump “She Blinded Me With Science” by Thomas Dolby.
The Big Question
What’s the best-priced new car under The Keating Line?
Top photo: Honda










Why are people trusting electronics with legal decisions when they know the technology is buggy??? First Flock cameras and now vending machines. You are ruining people’s lives with your lazy implementation of technology.
Forget the electronics, if I was a Ford Exec I would be asking very uncomfortable questions to my HR team about why a $1.95 cookie theft was justification for firing an experienced electrician. Experienced employees are very expensive to hire and retain, even assuming the theft was legit, that is an idiotic financial decision.
Also, if I was a UAW member, I would be asking uncomfortable questions to my union rep about why they didn’t fight this harder.
I worked with that KTP Electrician that was fired and initially brought the story to light. Talented electrician, better person, crappy that is how they did him. Just glad he was finally able to move back home because of this mess. He would always bring us in a Kringle (WI Delicacy) to the office when he went home for a visit.
TBQ: If you can make a 2 seater work, Mazda Miata. If you need a more practical car, Honda Civic Si ($33,145) The civic can swallow 4 adults in comfort, or a family of 4 for a road trip. Gets 35-40mpg depending on how you drive it, and has cheap running costs between brakes, oil changes etc. All while also being a weapon for Autocross, or on a back road, having one of the best manual gear shifts, and is just a great car.
Best Vehicle under $35K?
Trax / Trailblazer……(Small Crossover)
Boll EV…………………(EV)
Corolla Hybrid……….(Comact Sedan)
Civic Hybrid …………(Midsize Sedan)
Honda Accord ………(Large Sedan)
RAV4 ………………….(Midsize Crossover)
Maverick Hybrid ……(Truck)
Ford:
This is what happens when you install Flock cameras in your break rooms.
COTD
Considering the articles about how the Prologue was outselling the Blazer it was based on, seems like there was/is definitely unmet demand for a Honda EV in the US.
Customer: I want a CRV EV. Just something simple, a CRV but electric. Maybe just call it the CReV.
Honda: We have nothing under development, but we’ll rebadge a Chevy for you.
Customer: Ok, but I’d still like something from Honda.
Honda: Look at these crazy concept EVs we are now working on, they are so futuristic
Customer: I just want something simple.
Honda: This whole EV business is bad, EV sales are failing.
Customer: You mean you haven’t sold any of the EV’s you failed to offer in the first place?
Honda: We’re done, this is impossible.
Customer: Facepalm, guess I’ll just go buy another stupid Model Y from Tesla.
COTD.
Please, no. No Tesla. Just no…
There’s a self serve kiosk where I work. Highway robbery prices, it’s actually cheaper to eat out than get a sandwich, chips, and drink from the kiosk lol.
Miata Is Always The Answer.
MSRP starts at $30,430.
Most practical? Nope. Best? Absolutely.
Ford could solve this problem by turning their cafeteria into an automat that only accepts nickels.
Or they could hire a human to run a cash register. This was successful for a few centuries or more.
Impossible, that would make some rich asshole far up the chain very slightly less rich.
At least where I work these you-scan kiosks have replaced vending machines and are spread all throughout the factory.
TBQ. Probably a Civic hybrid.
Aside, I knew someone who worked for Thomas Dolby in the 1990’s.
Did they blind him with science?
SCIENCE!
The person I knew was a blonde bombshell. It’s unlike that SCIENCE was what blinded Mr. Dolby.
Was she the alien who ate his Buick?
Best priced new car under $35k? Excluding taxes and fees?
Plain-Jane sedans:
Honda Civic (starts at $24,695)
Mazda3 sedan (starts at $24,650)
Row your own practicality:
Mazda3 Sport with six-speed (MSRP $33,480 with Soul Red paint, ’cause obviously)
Honda Civic Si six-speed ($31,495)
Good on gas:
Honda Civic hybrid ($29,395)
Toyota Prius Prime ($33,980)
Sports/sporty car
Toyota GR86 ($31,400)
Mazda MX-5 Miata ($30,430)
Driving Appliance:
Toyota Corolla ($23,125)
Driving Appliance with Hyrbid
Toyota Corolla ($24,975)
Driving Appliance with AWD
Toyota Corolla ($27,670)
Driving Appliance with hatchback
Toyota Corolla ($24,780)
Driving Appliance with hybrid, hatchback, & AWD:
Toyota Corolla Cross ($29,595)
lol. The answer is always Mo’rolla.
Corolla all the way down.
Always was.
It is so much the answer that Toyota stopped calling it Auris and gave it back its proper name.
Wouldn’t mind the stickshift hatchback returning; in white with the two tone interior that was a superb little 5-door for the money.
That and the 5-door hybrid wagon I saw all over Paris. I think you can get the near-200hp Prius hybrid drivetrain in it. Why can’t we have nice things here?
For some reason, the answer is trucks.
Motorola
My company solved the problem by just renting the cafeteria space to mom & pop operations that make fresh food.
Profit for the company, AND none of whatever this nonsense is about firing people.
Win-win scenarios in this political environment?
Sounds like communism.
I live in a dirty socialist country, so that tracks.
AND employing local small businesses, instead of just trying to funnel everything to some large corporation. Guess that wouldn’t fly south of the border, if there are no stockholders to profit.
We have that in our factories and offices in addition to you-scan marketplaces.
We do not charge the companies for the cafeteria space – which leads to a massive subsidy on the food prices.
That’s a smart move. Ours is just similar pricing to anything you’d get at someplace outside the building. It’s just convenient.
In our engineering and HQ building the food is GOOD.
Wednesday a BBQ was an option:
Potato Salad
Beans
Corn on Cob
BBQ Chicken Thigh
BBQ Brisket
Dessert Cake
16 oz Soda
For $10.
A giant made to order salad is $6 with protein / $5 without
Sometimes I’ll grab a few lunches to go for dinner if we are in a rush because it is easily 1/3 of the price of going out.
I’m jealous of that, we have pretty decent cafeteria food but man do they take advantage of those of us that forget lunch. My go to is a 3 piece tender and tots is just under $9 without a drink.
I want to live in your dystopian timeline…
I mean, even if he did steal that cookie, termination seems harsh. Ford should hire a cashier instead of those snack robots.
Not even a ‘warning’ write-up or a ‘meeting’ with HR to review the video? Fire you 1st then investigate if you balk.
Likely more to the story. I’d bet a cookie that the employee might have already been on someone’s shit list and the faux theft was the offense that gave Ford legal coverage to ax him/her.
Or, he made a lot of money and they thought they could replace him with someone newer and cheaper.
Very true. In one of our factories before a production reduction and corresponding layoff HR reviewed “marketplace” transactions and CCTV footage for awhile and fired all the people that were stealing. Some didn’t even pretend to pay for items. Terminated for cause means so severance package, no unemployment, and they are off the seniority list when it comes time to rehire.
Crazy that people making $70 or more per hour would risk getting fired for stealing snacks that cost a few bucks.
> I’d bet a cookie
Did you pay for it?
‘That costs way more that the cost of the cookie though.”
-shareholders, probably
I love you guys, but from what I recall you’ve been releasing a lot articles on the $50,000 figure, received a ton of comment feedback on how mean isn’t median and there are many good options well below 50K, never really addressed it, and now we see an article finally presenting this as if it’s news to us. *scowl*
TBQ: Civic Hybrid and Camry LE AWD are killer apps under the Keating line if you need very effective and efficient daily transport. Hybrid Maverick as well, if that’s the form you need. Civic Si or Mazda3 hatch if you want a good stickshift before they go away. Enough good choices I can’t frankly settle on one.
I feel like it hasn’t been ignored and has been mentioned before:
https://www.theautopian.com/one-reason-average-car-prices-are-increasing-is-yall-cant-stop-buying-toyota-grand-highlanders-things-of-that-nature/comment-page-1/
But heard!
Indeed, can’t be ignored. The difference I see is that we tend to present the average price voluntarily paid by consumers as proof that far less expensive alternatives are not readily available in the market.
This is so common across pretty much all media talking about the mean ATP. The median is much lower than the mean but nobody wants to talk about it because outrage is a currency in ad supported media.
Same with ignoring that like-or-like cars are cheaper today than at least the last 3 decades. All we hear about is ATP and an “affordability crisis”.
Didn’t even know about the Camry awd hybrid until a buddy told me the other day he took a look at one while shopping used Toyota crossovers and is now heavily considering buying one instead of an SUV: way better mpg, more fun to drive (relatively speaking), reasonably zippy acceleration, mild awd still better than no awd, and a new car for the price of a used SUV. Seems like a lot of bang for your buck.
TBQ: If I were in that market, an Ioniq 5 or a Model 3 would be where I’d be aiming with that price point. I’ve done demos on the Model 3 and I liked it, mostly, so that might be the preference. The Ioniq might be a bit more useful overall, though. There’s an Equinox EV in the price range, too, but I never really looked into them. I’m not a CUV person though so I’m probably a bit biased.
35k surprised me. A new Model 3 in RWD form starts at $36.9k. Maybe close enough to not matter, but not quite there.
The real reason it surprised me is because I have been looking only at the AWD variants, and they start at roughly $48k. Have to go “premium” for AWD. I thought you were referencing those.
I’ll admit I overshot a bit there. My brain somehow turned 35k into 37k and I didn’t realize until after I posted.
It’s all the sevens in the number. Mentally I immediately turned this into “expect to pay around $37k for a new car” and it wasn’t until this comment and scrolling back up to read the number again that I realized it’s only 35k and change.
Keating line or not, the loss of the lowest priced vehicles continues to disadvantage the poorest the most.
Before someone quotes up inflation, at least there used to be cars like the Mitusbishi Mirage, Nissan Versa, Ford Festiva, Toyota Yaris, et al. that gave you an option for a new car (and, critically, new car financing & warranty) when you couldn’t stretch your budgets.
My workplace is a grocery store but we still had a vending machine in the breakroom for years, for that odd occasion where the lines were too long and the World’s Stalest Combos were the better option. When (not if) the bag got snagged on the last flap, the technique was to slam the machine against the wall using both hands braced on the top corners and let it drop back to position.
I once got 5 free TWIX candy bars that way.
TBQ: Say it with me folks, “Miata is always the answer.” You absolutely cannot get a more fun experience in a new car under the Keating line in any other car, full stop.
Bravo for quoting the Fleming line that should have made it into the film. At the places I used to work the old ‘Wheel of Death’ just took cash…
If you want to push right up against the line, I’d say the Maverick hybrid with AWD fits right in. Plenty on autotrader right around 33,500
This one leaves you a crisp $42 for road snacks
TBQ: Toyota Prius SE PHEV
TBQ: Hard to argue with a Civic Hybrid. Although an argument could be made for an AWD Prius, but I haven’t been in one yet. The 2027 Prius now has dual zone climate across the lineup, which is cool (and hot… at the same time).
Also, a job I worked at a couple of years ago had one those self-service kiosks in the break room. They had like three cameras pointed at the whole setup. What was stopping Ford from just going over the footage and double-checking that everything was legit?
I’m not a huge fan of the plug-in Prius, because the trunk/hatch space is TINY.
That’s the issue with a very similar car, my 2019 Volt. It’s a practical hatch, but its 10 cubic feet of behind the seat/under the cover space only holds a couple of mid-sized suitcases.
Four people road-tripping is tough. Two + dog, fine.
Also, I miss my old Focus’ ability to hold a cheap-ass beater guitar flat in its hold. I always had it ready when I had time to kill. Can’t do that if you have to leave a seat unfolded, unless you want to tell everyone “Hey! Guitar inside! You don’t know it was only 80 bucks new from Amazon and it’s a piece of junk! It could be Jimi’s Strat!”
I second the Civic hybrid hatchback, or the (sadly still sedan only) Si if you’re One Of Us.
If I had to buy a car today I think it’d be a toss up between a Civic Si or Hybrid. Their MSRPs are very similar, but the hybrid is usually marked down, whereas dealers usually up the Si’s price a little bit. There’s a pre facelift orange Si in my neighborhood that really looks nice. I’d love to drive them both, but I’ve only ridden in friend’s.
They would have needed to check CCTV footage to transactions in order to identify people stealing. Ours are also a multiple camera setup.
We had a a crackdown this year and more than 50 people were fired. We’ve had these self scan markets for years and from my observation there are plenty of people that will only scan some of their items and pretend to scan others. Then there are the people that just boldly grab an item and walk away.
I am grateful for the fact that the US is a community that is close enough, average enough, and has umbrella institutions enough so that we can get those statistics. This, at least at this point, is impossible in Europe.
Having said that. Shouldn’t ceteris paribus, a higher ATP be in general a good thing? If people are buying more expensive cars you could interprete it as economy improving.
Now, of course, there a lot of variables which can bias that number, such as longer loans, probably pointing at the economy not going at well as one could think.
But in any case, why we would like to sponsor being poorer and in less comfortable, agreeable, and with window cranks, vehicles as a good thing?
There’s no ceiling to how much vehicles can cost.
If you have an ATP that increases because of a small number of Billionaires buying $XMM vehicles, but the average person’s vehicle is lower cost – then it does not indicate a strong economy, and highlights higher institutional issues of wealth disparity. This is the sadness that makes a K shape: rich get richer, and the rest of us get poorer.
The US already has high wealth inequality (gini index) compared to most of the Western world, and seeing affordable vehicle options disappear simply disadvantages the poorest the most.
EU could put together these statistics, but there would be too much arguing on why someone would ever measure SK and CZ against PL and DE and how everyone’s a special case that can’t be measured equally (I’d argue it’s not much different than measuring many poor rural areas of the US against wealthy urban areas)
Ford Looking Into Snack Kiosks That Keep Leading To The Company Firing Employees
Meanwhile, at Stellantis…
An employee snakes his arm up the opening of the vending machine, stretching to snag that one bag of Funyuns that’s hanging slightly out of its perch, when his boss walks up. The boss grabs him by the shoulder and tells him to stand aside.
“Hold my beer!” Says the boss, tossing a half-finished PBR into the young employee’s hands as he gives the machine a swift kick, causing two bags of Funyuns, a bag of pork rinds and a roll of Mento’s to drop out. He tosses the Funyuns to the young employee and grabs the pork rinds and Mentos as he heads back to his job as a safety inspector.
“Homer, are you just holding on to the can?”
“Your point being?”
They’ll grow back, right?
Oh. Yeah.
Whew!
The Freshmaker! 😉
Probably the Civic Hybrid
My past job and current job have the self service kiosk breakroom things and I never thought I would have longed for the return of the Wheel of Death, until the “marketplace” shit took over. They can be frustrating as shit.
Beat me to ‘Wheel of Death’. Takes me back to when I was a steel mill mtc supervisor/engineer.
One never chose the ‘Wheel of Death’, the wheel chose you. A forced double or some other breakdown, etc… I always kept a few 5’s on my person for the inevitable.
At the smaller shops I worked at, we just had the gut truck that showed up around break times.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
I’ve never seen a gut biome like my old roommate who did a couple tours in Afghanistan.
He cooked a shrimp dish that was somehow neon orange. Left it in the wok on the stove top, then just re-heated it and ate more for THREE DAYS.
He was totally fine.
If you reheat to at least 70 C it kills all the germs. But not toxins and taste suffers.