Would you ever buy a car or truck or even put down a deposit without even knowing what it looks like? I know I wouldn’t, yet that appears to be what the new venture called REO hopes you’ll do for the bare-bones pickup that its backer hopes to be launching in the near future.
REO has been very verbal in explaining what this thing will be, but they’ve done little in terms of actually illustrating it. That’s almost certainly because they still don’t know themselves. I’m not a car designer or even claim to be, but I can’t help but read such descriptions and form images in my head. As a person who draws stuff, I had to scribble something down to get it out of my pea-sized brain. Is what’s appearing in my dome similar to what you have in mind?
Take It On The Run
Why would anyone start their own car company? If you hear what Malcolm Bricklin said when asked what convinced him to build an automobile with his name on it, his answer was, “because I didn’t know any better.” That’s probably the case with most of these startups. It’s extremely unfair that many of these entrepreneurs are labeled as shysters; if your goal is to rip off the public, there are much, much easier ways to do it than trying to produce an automobile.
Sure, there are the Liz Carmichaels of Dale fame out there, but the vast majority of these people have a vision in mind for a new kind of product that they’re convinced the public wants and needs. In Bricklin’s case, it was to make a very safe car (a sports car no less) that wasn’t ugly or unattainable and met the new regulations and realities of the early seventies head-on without whining about it like the Big 3. If you have twenty minutes for the video below, I recommend it: Malcolm has some stories.
The end result does look pretty nice and was flat-out shocking for 1974, but as with virtually all independently-created vehicles, Bricklin had to solve huge issues with money and labor to his car produced. That, combined with initial price projections that excite the public but end up doubling by the time required to get the thing launched, ended up killing Bricklin’s car and essentially all the other moonshot startups since.

Is the REO going to be any different? We certainly hope so, since it’s based on a concept that hits most Autopians as being right for the times.
Keep The Fire Burning
Our own Jason Torchinsky has recently interviewed Zach De Bernardi, the person behind the launch of this new vehicle named after a defunct car and truck company. The original REO was started by Ransom Eli Olds; a company that most know or remember only because of a country music band (Diamond Rio) or cassette-era arena rockers that took on the name when their History of Transportation instructor at University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign wrote REO SPEEDWAGON on the blackboard in 1967.

There are plenty of people convinced that De Bernardi is hawking vaporware, but he certainly seems sincere in his desire to launch the type of vehicle the internet is clamoring for: an inexpensive and humble gasoline-powered truck. The claim is that it will be an old-school, body-on-frame design with a live rear axle, mechanical 4WD, and a proven (but yet to be revealed) major manufacturer four-cylinder motor and manual transmission as standard equipment.
The REO is conceived to be like the new Slate but without the limited-range electric drive of that truck and possibly even more stripped down in base form to get to a lower price.

Whether the excitement in online chats can translate to actual sales is unknown, but the REO is yet another supposed answer to the-price-is-too-damn-high stickers of most new cars. This is all happening with essentially no images of the proposed product beyond the slightest hints at a boxy truck shape. According to the website, that’s because REO wants to be “different.” REO has given us some highly stylized and possibly AI-generated images that get the “idea” across, but that’s it. The front shows a lighting signature but little else of consequence:

The standard two-seater looks very similar to the Slate. This rendering seems a bit at odds with the lengthy written material on the REO, since it’s supposed to be a drop-side pickup, but those taillights say that ain’t so.
There’s a four-door pickup as well, and the art gives this thing rather odd proportions, like it’s gonna be a rare six-door cab.

Finally, there will supposedly be a four-door SUV that, in this image, looks similar if not identical to the Bronco:

Exactly what the REO will look like appears to be undecided as of yet. According to De Bernardi, he’s hiring people to help with that.
And the design is being done by some fantastic pedigree. I can’t tell you who or where, but I’m on a plane to Europe tomorrow. If that gives you any idea, it’s not just Joe Schmo working on it, it’s not AI doing it, it’s not just some graphic designer that we hired. If you saw any marketplace post for that on like Behance or Art Station, that was kind of early stuff, just to kind of help us get some ideation going. But the real designers of these vehicles are household names.
I’m not sure that’s the best answer for a fledgling firm. Zach is going to spend likely hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably more) he can ill afford educating a bunch of Italian guys on what an American pickup truck is. He will possibly get back solutions that the likes of Jason and I think are cool but are tone-deaf to what an American buyer wants (like the Ital-designed sales flops Eagle Premier and Subaru SVX) just to name-drop some company that a cheap truck buyer won’t give a crap about. There are plenty of North American people to do the job very well for less money.

Bricklin had it right in that regard, hiring Art Center graduate and experienced American ex-Ford designer Herb Grasse to do his design work, and Herb sure as hell had the look of the car established first since he knew there was no other way for Malcolm to raise cash.
If you read Herb Grasse’s account of developing the Bricklin design in weeks and even grabbing taillights off of his own personal Pantera and putting them on the clay model literally hours before investors showed up, you’ll realize the kind of in-house scrappiness you need at this stage. I promise you, dudes thousands of miles and seven time zones away can’t do that. Based on other “startups of the week” that have crashed and burned in the last few years, Malcolm is right that unnecessarily spending big bucks up front on staff and other resources means certain death. By not showing a visual representation up front, you’re probably hurting your credibility with the public in the same way Infiniti did with commercials that didn’t show the car. Worse than that, in the absence of official images, we know that “Joe Schmos” will fill that gap with their own bad AI interpretations (that some viewers will think are real).
I don’t want to “design” this thing as much as just catalog what it could possibly be beyond those vague profile views on the REO site. Enough talk; I refuse to use Midjourney or other AI crap (I actually don’t know how), but this Joe Schmo here has a Pilot Razorpoint and Photoshop. Let’s go!
I Can’t Fight This Feeling
Based on the descriptions and minimalistic profiles, we know that the REO will be simple, square-rigged, and clean with minimal trim. I’ll start with a four-door version since that will almost certainly be the most popular version regardless of what internet fans go nuts for. The two-door REO is supposedly going to be around 180 inches long, which means the four-door version will be similar in size to the Maverick.
As I said earlier, I don’t use AI, and there are many ways to draw and render cars, but the way I do it is absolutely, positively not the way anyone should. Ever. I’ll start with a Maverick image:

I’ll then add the detailing that will make up the basic truck. REO doesn’t mention the drop side on the four-door truck, but that’s what I’ll show anyway. Basically, it’s three boxes with two simple character lines running down the side. You can see that the lower character line defines the split for the fold-down part of the tailgate sides.

Then it’s hours of adding color from the base image to the line drawing. It’s tedious and stupid, but almost like doing a coloring book and quite relaxing after nine hours in the office getting angry at staff and customers.
Eventually, it’s all done, and I can tweak the crap out of it. I know that AI can do the same thing if I spend three days typing paragraphs of prompts into it, but I’ll still get something I don’t want, and that sounds like a bad time.

Anyway, that basic shape above: you can’t get simpler than that. The down-the-road lighting signature I’ve tried to capture with an “H” shaped light bar that REO appears to be showing on their website front view. It splits a grille for the radiator and a trim panel above. Note that the side marker lights are actually part of the front-facing light structure that shine through “windows” in the fenders to reduce parts. Door handles are levers hidden in vertical depressions that run behind the trailing edge of the doors.

This example is a rather well-equipped model with gloss-painted and chrome-trimmed steel wheels, but we could also offer a true bare-bones version with unpainted grey bumpers and upper grille trim panel. In typical car parlance, this would be the “custom” model:

I’d push it even further by removing all of the sheet metal below the flatbed in back for the “Standard” model. I’d also make the standard models rear-wheel drive to save money, with 4WD available as an option.

The two-door would, of course, be the starting point of the whole lineup. Honestly, I don’t think getting to $21,500 is possible, but to do so you will literally have to strip out large chunks of the vehicle itself. That means an exposed rear frame and no bodywork whatsoever below the bed. Note the “box” taillights in back that Jason is so fond of. If you’ve ever driven a Home Depot rental pickup and said, “this is all I need and want,” then here you go.

REO is also promising an SUV version of this platform, the signature feature being side-facing jump seats in back. I wasn’t aware that you could legally put these in an American truck and pass safety laws, and those things sound cool but are not a particularly comfortable way to travel. Regardless, Zack has advertised it so we’ll add it, but in order for those kinds of seats to work we’ll want some extra roof in back so an available “dome top” like a 21-window bus or an old Land Rover would need to be stamped out. I’m not complaining about having to put a raised roof on, since I’ll put a Vista Cruiser top on anything I get my hands on.

The rear “bumper” would accommodate any trailer hitch you want to add with an offset license plate and single backup light. Like the front, the side markers are part of the rear-facing taillight unit with windows to shine out the side. Also, a “window” in the left taillight cluster would illuminate the license plate for free. From the back, the REO I rendered ended up looking extremely boxy and industrial, almost like some thirty-year-old truck that got imported from an emerging nation or an upsized Kei truck. Maybe that’s the look we want? It’s begging for some strips and graphics.

The available rubber side trim on the tops of the fenders would protect them when they’re folded down (standard would just be rubber bumpers below). You’ll also note that the low-mounted taillights would continue down far enough that they’d be visible with the rear tailgate folded down (and the license plate as well).
Having a rather tall bed floor means that you’d have room below for an available rear cargo trunk as on a Honda Ridgeline. I do wonder if maybe it should be accessible by a rear door so you don’t have to unload the cargo bed to get to it. Smaller side cargo pockets ahead of the rear wheels might be optional too.
I haven’t added any “styling” so to speak in these renderings, but maybe a product essentially devoid of any trendy lumps and bumps is a good thing? In some ways it resembles the 1986 Nissan “Hardbody” pickup, arguably the best-looking compact pickup ever designed.
Riding The Storm Out (Inside The Cab)
Inside, De Bernardi mentioned that the standard interior could be truly basic, as in “if it doesn’t really need it, we won’t add it.” The base model would have identical vinyl bench seats up front and back in the four-door that don’t recline and the ability to hold three across in a very tight pinch (note the raising head restraints). The “door panels” are really just small, partial covers for the hole in the steel with armrest, airbag, and window crank; most of the sheet metal is exposed.
If you aren’t a total cheapskate, you’ll want to get bucket seats and a console, plus actual full door panels with door pockets that could include speakers and buttons for power windows if you’re Mr. Moneybags.

Like the Slate, I see the dash being very simple. It’s C-shaped in profile to allow for a full-width tray, painfully basic with a speedometer/gas gauge combination not unlike 1970s Beetles:
From there, of course, you could do it up any way your tastes or wallet allows. There’s an optional non-skid rubber mat to put your cell phones and such on (a wireless charger underneath is also optional). Pull-out cup holders can be installed on each end of the dash (yes, you guessed it, they’re optional). Two removable plugs on the outer edges of the dash top could be removed to install speakers (which, again, could be complemented by speakers in the optional door panels if you order those).
A double DIN frame panel lets you install an entertainment control screen. An optional tach, water temp, alternator and oil pressure gauges snap into apertures needs to the speedometer (De Bernardi wants analog gauges, but I think LCD screens might be cheaper in the end). Air conditioning would be standard, but the “ball cooler” vents? Optional for you to install. Every dollar counts.
Buying an REO but can’t afford some of this stuff now? No problem; you could buy it later to install yourself. You’d probably pay less than from the factory, and you wouldn’t be financing it and end up paying like $100 for a cup holder over four years.
Time For Me To Fly
So which version of this proposed REO would you get, and what options would you pop for? Whether you like what I’ve illustrated or not, it doesn’t matter; as a client once told me. “I need to see what I hate so that I can tell you what I like.” If De Bernardi is really serious about letting potential customers’ feedback be part of the design process, I think that REO should show us something sooner rather than later.
Then again, the fact that no images exist has made me inexplicably obsessed over this new truck. Maybe De Bernardi’s move is marketing genius after all?
Top graphic bade image: Ford
















Hopefully the simple vehicle trend will become as popular as the tiny house trend.
So people will buy them and then instantly regret the purchase when trying to use it for its intended purpose?
I don’t know, but I know that HGTV and other networks got a LOT of mileage out of tiny homes.
That content costs nothing to produce. They can build a whole tiny house for the cost of remodeling a bathroom in a regular house.
The powerplant should be the venerable PR25DD from Big Altima Energy fame. It’s got 188 horsies on tap, which is quite a bit for an NA 4-banger. Decent torque too.
Oh, don’t give that Jatco guy any ideas!
I’d prefer the Mazda 2.5L SkyActiv-G engine and its 6-speed manual and automatic options.
That or the Ford Duratec 2.5L I4 (which is based on a Mazda engine).
Both are quite reliable, don’t have many issues if at all (when properly maintained), not too noisy, don’t sound bad (compared to the flatulent vw/audi and honda/Acura 4 cylinders my ears get molested by during rush hour), get good fuel economy, aren’t too hard to work on, and both manufacturers would likely have sufficient capacity to make enough for an outsider’s order.
The front looks way more like an Avanti now.
Maybe that means a supercharged V8 will eventually be available?
But it will also sell poorly and pass thru many hands as they try to find someone interested in their overpriced POS.
Now I need a bigger garage, for the Elio, Faraday and this !!
No you don’t.
That’s the ideal three car garage for a pedestrian.
If this turns out close to accurate, then, great. Can’t put my finger on it, but it sort of gives some 3rd gen Suzuki Alto vibes, which isn’t a bad thing, rational, uncluttered, but contemporary
I’m all for a cheap bare bones truck, but this seems really far from being a reality.
It just seems like so much unnecessary work when Toyota already makes and sells such a vehicle for what, $13K? in other markets? The problem is going to be mandated safety and emissions equipment.
I’d forgotten that REO stands for Ransom E. Olds. I was surprised to see a TV ad for the Slate truck during either Wimbledon coverage or one of the World Cup games yesterday.
I hope the REO truck looks at least half as good as The Bishop’s renderings.
Yes, and its supposed to be pronounced “Rio”, which is one of the things that started to fall by the wayside when the band decided their name should be pronounced R-E-O. Weirdly, has not been extinct all that long, Diamond REO brand trucks were built and sold in the US until 1974, and the Diamond REO name was briefly revived in Australia in the early/mid 2010s, but that company appears to have stopped building trucks at some point in the past few years
The name is REO and it dances on the sand.
Do do do do dee doo….
There are standards of proof to be met.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pics-or-it-didnt-happen
“Our own Jason Torchinsky has recently interviewed Zach De Bernardi, “
Ah yes… the interview where I got the impression that Zach was doing lines of coke before and during the interview:
ZdB:
(snorts some coke)
So it also is in tandem with the decision of what we did to soft launch with teasers with silhouettes. Because that’s not normal. Everything that we do is going to probably be not normal, because the car industry has just been incumbent Like an entrenched for so long, and we have the opportunity to do things differently, namely like we’re bringing a gas truck back as a startup. Yeah, like, who? Why?
(snorts another line)
I don’t think De Bernardi is “hawking vaporware,” I think he’s huffing it.
Nevertheless, I find your Standard Two-Door version of the REO quite acceptable for a base electric truck (BET) or Bishop’s Electric Truck.
Thank you! But Black Entertainment Network might sue.
I take umbrage with the usage of alphanumeric nomenclature on a revived REO. You don’t have a car to show us, but you can spend time deciding that the regular cab is stylized with an ‘X’ and the crew with a ‘C’?! Also, they went derivative with said nomenclature, essentially piggybacking on Rivian.
Does anyone know what a Nikola smells like?
Old cigarettes and spilled soda.
Smells like nirvana.
Those look like some kind of Soviet interpretation of a Western design. Personally, I think I’d rather stab myself in a toe.
Waiting for a reply from Toe Cutter.
Patiently waiting.
“Jason Rocker”, “Cloud Shouter”, “Toe Cutter”
Some kind of “noun verb-er” society is forming here
Mine is for the vibes.
Man I wish I could sketch that well. Or at all.
Maybe AI is best utilized as a tool to analyze massive amounts of data. Given access to all parts catalogs, cross referenced to reliability records, costs, and compatibility. Should be possible to assemble target goals without spending a dime on development.
Machine learning is actually good at analyzing data, in theory.
I lived through the decades of Mustang II front suspensions/steering being used on most kit cars and hot-rods. I get that cost and availability made sense, but seemed lazy at best. I think the way to make a truly affordable, easily repairable car, is to “off the shelf” source as much as possible, and mega-data crunching could be tailored to the desired targets.
Sure. Just need an AI model that understands the physical world and bolting things together.
I’m sure that will come any day now.
Any. Day. Now.
As with a google search, the more refined the perimeters, the better the results. Computers don’t understand shit.
Yes, but AI’s lack of ‘understanding’ (inherent or prompted) of three dimensional reality is genuinely impressive.
My point is that it is now possible to consider all readily available parts. Narrow options however you choose. Humans need to evaluate trade-offs, and compatibility, but I think the data crunching tool could help a start-up manufacturer that has no ties to an OEM minimize costs, and speed development.
It’s not like there are complete standardized listings of all these components with all critical specs included, and an OEM still needs to design and manufacture their own chassis. That can’t be purchased from anyone else’s component bin even if you choose to use their suspension links.
The best you’re getting out of AI is a big pile of possible matches that all have to be checked by a human anyway and may or may not currently exist for purchase.
Bear in mind that not all AI is “generative AI”, especially when doing “data analysis”. There are other kinds of ML for that, as I understand things.
I understand, but you would still get the best results from a complete standardized data set that simply does not exist for automotive components.
With advances in CAD and the ease of finding a manufacturer (although probably in China), there may not be any savings using a previous design versus a custom one for something stamped / welded. If your parts are cast without any expensive specialized process, you can probably find a local supplier or do it in-house for not much more than offshoring it.
It may make sense to use standard ball joints and bushings unless you have some very specific requirements.
😀 I kinda like it. But I’m odd.
What’s appealing about the Slate (to me) is the simplicity, both in fact and just visually.
This particular rendering looks busier, but some of that is unavoidable due to the extra set of doors (boo! 😉 ) and the seams for the dropsides (yeah! 🙂 ). I get using the Maverick as a starting point, and I’ll begrudgingly admit that the Maverick isn’t a bad-looking trucklet for the most part (as much as I dislike Ford the company), and yes, it and the Slate and the Reo will all have commonalities of form.
I think the base Slate’s wheels are better looking than any of the ones here, though I know they’re just placeholders.
Also, is that REO’s actual logo on the tailgate? Not sure how I feel about it TBH.
“But I’m odd.”
Is this not the Land of Odd? With an abundance of wizards?
Yes, definitely. Autopians, like Jalopniks before them, tend towards the odd end of the spectrum. 🙂
That’s the logo on the website. Kinda metal band vibes if you ask me, but maybe they want that. Like Dokken or Kix
Yes, that’s what it reminds me of! 😀
I don’t think the Slate’s wheels are placeholders. They’ve been pretty consistent in renders and there are stick-on decals (appearing both at the recent press event and on the “Slate Maker”) that fit the design.
I like the Slate wheels. They suit it.
I do realize on this reading that you were referring to the “ones here” as placeholders, not the “Slate’s wheels”. I assigned the wrong thing to the “they” pronoun and thought there was a misunderstanding.
I agree, the Slate’s base wheels fit the design really well.
The dash design gives me PTSD from all the Pontiac 6000’s and Celebrities I rode in as a kid. I like the fully flat bed with storage below, maybe split it 60/40 and have a cubby accessible from behind the (optional) folding reat seat.
Agree the Hardbody is the compact pickup ideal.
More like a 1988-91 Crown Vice dash, or some stuff that Renault did around then. Honestly, I just took the Slate slab dash and added a tray across the bottom to hold phones since with a bench seat there’s no console. Plus, who doesn’t want/need some kind of junk tray?
1990-93 Town Car – that’s it!!
The only issue I really see is if someone has their hand on the the front door handle when someone opens a rear door on them – looks like where the doors meet could remove some digits.
There’s some French hatchbacks from the 80s and 90s that used this type of door handle on the 2 door model and conventional grab or flap type ones on the 4 door. I never knew why but you just explained it.
Now you mention it I remember the Renault 5 having these and something similar existed on the FIAT Panda.
$21.5k is a hard number to hit for a us vehicle. But you can buy a new hijet truck for under $7k. Or an imv for around $13k. Trying to build a cheap us spec ice truck I don’t see it. Unless something lands in their lap. Like the Lordstown deal they squandered. This seems like elio all over again. It’s a nice looking rendering though and fold down bed sides should be a thing in the American market. But I think the true answer is ckd of hijets both truck and van sold from trailers and direct to consumer.
I think $21.5 is going to be impossible, but I’m curious to see what they come up with.
And the design is being done by some fantastic pedigree. I can’t tell you who or where, but I’m on a plane to Europe tomorrow. If that gives you any idea, it’s not just Joe Schmo working on it, it’s not AI doing it, it’s not just some graphic designer that we hired.
It’s Adrian, right? They hired Adrian. GMT400 fan Adrian.
No, as he commented earlier, Uncle Adrian has deep concerns about getting paid by a startup. He said he’d demand half up front but that might not be enough.
I understand he is quite satisfied with steady pay in a university job. Good for him.
He’ll be back. I imagine he will eventually get frustrated and exit the campus in an epic fashion.
I look forward to reading about it.
I’m not sure I can wait. I’ll see if I can use AI tools to make an illustrated children’s book about it.
I must be missing something here… but why the heck does America needs new brands to produce the vehicles that Toyota and many others are producing and selling already somewhere in the world? I don’t bring safety concerns, cause these little trucks doesn’t seem quite safe.
I suppose from a historical view it has to to like most things with how the US was wildly different then the rest of the world post WWII. Then European protectionism. Add in a society where trucks are now the profit center and a status symbol rather then a tool and that about gets us where we are. But I wholeheartedly agree bring in or build the the kei truck, vans and the imv.
If “these” are the REO and Slate (and not the Toyota-and-others Kei trucks, for example – I don’t know either way), I can say that Slate Auto is certainly claiming they’ve designed for 5-star crash ratings (in all body configurations), though the lack of certain ADAS features will likely keep them from getting “top safety pick” awards.
Little did the Bishop know, he just did all of that design work for REO and they just fired their fancy European designers.
And this is what the production truck is going to look like.
I would hope not- that isn’t even a “design” but I appreciate that you like it
Now Adrian has to go back his University gig.
Was The Dale really a con? I didn’t get that impression from the HBO documentary. Liz clearly had a history of cons but she hired actual people to work on it. It almost felt like she got railroaded when they called her display car out for not running. Seems pretty common for major automakers to reveal cars that don’t actually run as a concept or design study.
I’ve heard different sides of the story but I do believe that Liz did NOT start the venture as a con. How the whole thing went south is probably another story but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt for the genesis of the project.
Autopian doing REO dirty here with their “sketches”.
If REO has something better, I’d love to see it. If any new truck can hit $21,500, then I don’t think looks really matter.
Meh. Meanwhile I’m designing Slate trucks to decide what I like best for next year.