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Why The New Mercedes Benz AMG GT 4 Door Is A Hideous Repudiation Of Everything A Mercedes Is Supposed To Be

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We’re going to play a little guessing game. Next time you’re out on the road and you see a newish Mercedes Benz from the last decade or so, try to guess what model it is before you’re close enough to read the badge. I can almost guarantee you’ll get it wrong. Want to know why? Because they all look the fucking same. Sure, the volumes might be different depending on whether it’s a sedan, an SUV or a coupe, but beyond that try and tell them apart. It’s impossible. E-Class? EQE? EQS? Who the fuck knows. I imagine the poor souls who have the job of selling the wretched things have difficulty explaining to baffled punters why forty grand’s worth of boggo C-Class looks similar to a hundred grands worth of EQS. Has any premium OEM flushed its storied heritage down the khazi quite so successfully? The current range are perfectly shaped for slipping round the U-bend after all.

It’s not only the exteriors that have been on the photocopier. For years Mercedes interiors have been defined by retina burning Cinemascope touchscreens, turbine air vents and ambient lighting from a Middle Eastern nightclub. Mercedes interior designers would probably put a screen in the fucking headliner if they thought they could get it through crash testing. Dullsville, Iowa on the outside, ghastly and tasteless on the inside, it’s safe to assume if the Mercedes Benz motto “The Best or Nothing” is hanging on the wall in the Sindelfingen design studio it’s in ten-foot-high neon letters.

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I’m not a religious person, but I try to be sensitive to those who are so please excuse me when I say what in the Jesus H Three-Pointed Christ is going on in Stuttgart? The brand-new Mercedes-AMG GT four door coupe plopped onto the litter tray like a piping hot cat turd on Wednesday morning and crikey it’s another horrifying fish, like something from a David Attenborough documentary about mutated sea creatures dwelling at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Automotive social media, not always an arena for nuanced debate I grant you, has been universally caustic and unstinting in expressing disappointment. My reaction is much the same as it has been for every other recent Benz release over the last decade or so: my whelm is well and truly under. Oh look. Mercedes Benz have launched their car again.

How Peak Mercedes Started

It would be easy to place the blame for all this on departed design chief Gorden Wagener, which is exactly what I’m going to do. But before that we need to understand what a Mercedes was and how their existing design direction is an anathema to everything the brand traditionally stood for.

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Although he gets almost all the credit for defining “peak Mercedes” from the mid-seventies to the late nineties, Bruno Sacco didn’t lay down the formal, structured forms we associate with classic Mercedes designs. The foundations were first sketched by Paul Bracq with the W113 Pagoda SL of 1963 and the W108 sedan of 1965. This pair of cars moved Mercedes away from the pontoon and streamliner influences of their post-war cars, exemplified by the seminal 300SL Gullwing.

At the time Mercedes was known for the thoroughness of their engineering, their exemplary build quality and perhaps most importantly their safety. Thanks to the genius of Mercedes engineer Béla Barényi, Mercedes pioneered the crumple zone which appeared on the W111 “Fintail,” which also provided the basis for the Pagoda. It was his thinking that gave that car its distinctive hard top, his reasoning being that the highest point of the roof should be above the passengers heads, not in the middle of the car. This commitment to safety would remain a hallmark of the brand for decades to come. Mercedes’ weren’t sporty or flashy; they were very expensive cars for old money types who didn’t buy a house full of beautiful furniture — they inherited one.

Bracq had worked under Friedrich Geiger, who was head of Mercedes design both before and after the war. The car that made him was the 1934 500K W29, a long, high-performance roadster meant to be driven by its owner when such a thing was still something of a novelty. The Pagoda and Fintail were designed on his watch, as well as the W100 600 Großer Mercedes of 1964. At the time it was the most expensive car in the world and with its hydraulic powered everything, the most complicated. It also had the dubious distinction of being the chariot of choice for despots everywhere. Geiger retired in 1975 and Bruno Sacco, a trained engineer cum-designer who had been at the company since 1958 took charge.

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A Mercedes’ exemplary build quality and cost-no-object engineering meant they lasted a long time. Sacco was careful to ensure that no new model made the previous one look obsolete. What this translated to in his work was a careful cultivation of the themes laid down by Bracq, sensitively updated over successive models while incorporating the latest advancements in technology, aerodynamics and most importantly, safety.

If you want proof of how well the Mercedes family identity worked across the range, look at the 1977 T1 van, in production essentially unchanged until it was replaced by the Sprinter (a further successful update of the same ideas) in 1995. That two-decade run of Mercedes Benz vehicles is a phenomenal body of work, but more importantly it demonstrates how you can exemplify your brand values through successful, thoughtful and consistent design.

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When he retired in 1999 Sacco was replaced by Peter Pfieffer, who joined Mercedes in 1968 from Ford’s Cologne studio. Fittingly for the world’s oldest car maker, like Sacco he was not a figurehead when such a thing was becoming the norm. Rock star names like J Mays and Chris Bangle were visible, media savvy designers with a lot to say. Such a thing was inappropriate for Mercedes, which very much did things in its own time-honored way, which was all well and good until the disastrous “merger of equals” with Chrysler in 1998, which took everything good about both companies and fucked it all into a cocked hat.

Dr. Z and Flash Gorden

Emerging from the rubble post-merger in 2007, Mercedes was in trouble. Its deadly rivals in Ingolstadt and Munich were stealing their lunch and attracting younger, affluent buyers – always the dream for OEMs because if you get them young you’ve hopefully got them for life. DaimlerChrysler (and then Daimler AG) Chairman Dieter Zetsche was determined to reestablish Mercedes’ reputation and meet BMW and Audi head on. This is the context for Mercedes wanting a younger, more expressive designer to shake things up. Enter “Flash” Gorden Wagener.

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Wagener is working class guy who studied industrial design in his native Essen, a blue-collar town in the Ruhr Valley. He then when on to study automotive design at the Royal College of Art in London (does any of this sound like a slightly less successful car designer you know?) and joined Mercedes in 1997 at the tender age of 29. He’d done a bit of time in the trenches at GM, Mazda and VW but it was at Mercedes where Wagener would come into his own. After a couple of years Pfeiffer sent him to the Mercedes advanced studio in California, where he mastered the art of giving press interviews and getting high on his own farts.

Wagener’s influence would be felt initially in cars like the first CLS, a car I initially hated. It was a massive departure for Mercedes because it was a car that sold explicitly on expressive style. Although the CLS was a success, other deviations from the sober Mercedes norm were not. What, exactly was the point of the not-a-car-not-an-MPV R-Class? When Pfeiffer retired in 1999, he anointed Wagener to take over in the Head of Design position, aged just 39.

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What is important to understand is that Mercedes, like BMW, first and foremost saw themselves as an engineering company. And like Chris Bangle at BMW, Wagener was determined to make a break with this approach which he considered lacking in emotional appeal. He developed a new from language he dubbed “sensual purity,” which first appeared on the AMG Vision Gran Turismo concept of 2013.

Looking like a cheap diecast of a much better-looking car that had been trodden on, the Vision GT had a deep bodyside, a squashed passenger cabin and enough dash-to-axle ratio to make grown men feel like THEY were driving their own dick, something that can also be said about Wagener’s self-confessed favorite of his own work, the AMG GT. The Vision GT also introduced the squinty headlights, wide gaping grille and smooth surfacing that Wagener presumably came up with after trying and failing to pick up a bar of worn soap in the shower.

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Since then, it’s been a case of one size fits all – rather hilariously given this is the exact situation BMW found itself in pre-Bangle, and I don’t think any of it is entirely a coincidence. The big three premium German brands have been chasing each other’s tails for decades at this point – essentially since they all decided to extend down market into cheaper cars in the mid-nineties. If one does something the others follow, which is how we’ve ended up splitting niches with the worst-of-both-category cars like the GLC and GLE coupe SUVs. More than that chasing younger, fashion conscious and social media savvy buyers led to things like the ridiculous Virgil Abloh Maybach collaboration, a bespoke 6 meter long, two-seater SUV thing, another example of heinous post-modernism eating its own tail.

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Why The AMG GT 4 Door Is Bad

Judging the AMG GT 4 Door Coupe on its own merits it’s clear Wagener’s “sensual purity” design language has run out of catwalk. The main visual pain points are the truncated tail with its full width and depth blackout panel containing triple rear lights looking totally lost in the void surrounding them, and the gaping oversized grill with its lit vertical elements. The headlights have an odd, ill-defined shape that’s neither fish nor fowl, and why isn’t there a black infill panel between the top of the rear wind shield and the black panoramic roof?

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Opening the door to the interior you half expect to bit hit in the face with a cloud of shisha smoke. It’s hard to tell from the released media images exactly what’s going on with the highlight colors – one set of shots resembles Darth Vader’s childhood bedroom with red stitching, seat belts, seat inserts and red graphics on the headliner and then there’s a few images with yellow contrast stitching without showing how that color is applied anywhere else. I think it’s safe to assume any color theory around complimentary tones was flushed down the bog along with any sense of taste. As for the screens, Wagener is on record as saying:

“When you have a small screen, you automatically send the message ‘congratulations, you are sitting in a small car’.”

Truly spoken like a man who probably thinks a 100” flat screen television mounted directly to the wall in your living is the height of home interior sophistication.

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It’s easy to fall into to the trap of criticizing the current Mercedes range of aero blobs for not adhering to what we consider to be the classic Mercedes brand identity – but that is exactly the problem. What Mercedes says they stand for – The Best or Nothing – is not reflected in Wagener’s direction for the brand over the last fifteen years or so. A sprawling range of identikit cars all with the same soft surfacing and oversized grilles festooned with Temu LED lighting do not speak softly to quality of engineering and longevity of service.

Instead, they glitter like tasteless baubles and snare superficial customers with the siren call of cheap leases. Wagener’s stated intention was to make Mercedes more emotionally desirable, but what this overlooks is that emotional attachment to a brand is not only about appearance – it’s about how your stated brand values translate into the overall ownership experience. BMW and to a lesser degree Audi, have one or two missteps aside, managed to maintain and evolve a consistent identity for decades. You can draw a straight line from Michelotti’s Neue Klass sports sedans to the current 3 series. Massimo Fraschella’s Audi Concept C references J Mays and Freeman Thomas’ original TT whilst refining and advancing the ideas behind that groundbreaking car. Both these brands have had no problem attracting a younger demographic and they haven’t needed tawdry brand tie-ups to do so.

Mercedes sales volumes and profits have been trending steadily downward since peaking at around 2.9 million units in 2019. Perhaps not coincidentally “Flash Gorden” was bundled out of the side door by mutual consent on the 31st of January this year. Taking over his position is former AMG head of design Bastian Baudy, another Mercedes long termer. With that in mind another Wagener style step change in direction feels unlikely.

A strong brand is a deal – customer expectations being met by a company delivering on it’s promises. That is what customers pay a premium for. When you deviate so significantly from the values that made your company in the first place, those promises begin to sound a little hollow. If you put all your efforts into making shiny things for shiny people, you shouldn’t be surprised when they ditch you for the newest shiny thing that comes along.

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All Images: Mercedes Benz Media

 

 

 

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PlatinumZJ
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PlatinumZJ
2 days ago

“When you have a small screen, you automatically send the message ‘congratulations, you are sitting in a small car’.”

Well that explains the dashload of screens in this thing. Welcome back, Adrian!

Eggsalad
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Eggsalad
2 days ago

Luxury once meant the finest materials and the best production quality. Manufacturing technology has advanced so far that the production of cheap cars is usually pretty darn good. So in order to justify the high prices, “luxury” manufacturers add dumb features like screen-controlled glovebox latches, and bigger screens, and other junk that nobody really wants, except to impress their friends.

Nobody buys $120k Mercedes because of the luxury, they buy them to impress others, which I find dumb.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
2 days ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

100%. Into the 80s, it was possible to buy a Porsche 911 with cloth seats. B/c from Porsche’s pov, leather seats have nothing to do with the correct purpose of the car. Hell, unless you’re wearing leather pants, fabric probably increases the seats’ grip on you even.

It’s amazing how bare bones old 911 interiors are compared to the rolling 5 star hotel lobbies they are now. But to your and Adrian’s point, the purpose of them is different now.

Gene
Gene
2 days ago

I completely agree with you.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago

Adrian hear that in a Rocky Balboa voice yell. I agree with you 100% in what you said about all Mercedes looking alike. However I also disagree with you 100% about your rant. Sure from 100 yards you ant tell most Mercedes models a part but if that is your reason for ranting at 100 yards you still can’t tell whether it’s a Mercedes or not because every fucking SUV looks the same. So curse the darkness but you can not blame it on Mercedes.

M SV
M SV
2 days ago

Maybe there a correlation between ridiculous style and increasingly worse build quality. Sort of like the Italians in various eras. Some wild maybe even garish designs as quality was going down. Mercedes seems in a similar place now. I do realize if this thing was made by a random Chinese OEM for $20k chocked full of LFP. I would say not bad, weird but not bad. If it was the Deepal L07 sure. I think the Deepal L06 is better looking. But at $150k and a Mercedes there are questions. When it’s a $30k car in a few years maybe.

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

And for that, we are left wanting…

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

See, I read that as “UK media Yahoo” and thought yeah, I sure don’t see you doing a lot of “here’s 10 things about cars Gen Z wants you to know” lists.

Chris D
Chris D
16 hours ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Or another “Here is How Much a Xxxxx Has Depreciated in 5 Years” cut-and paste marvel.

Chris D
Chris D
16 hours ago
Reply to  Chris D

Or “What is the Difference Between Metric and SAE Socket Sets?”

Chris D
Chris D
1 hour ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

We all respect someone who has the cojones to emphatically tell it exactly like it is.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
2 days ago

The sensual putty quote morphed in my mind to silly putty then associated with a cross product of a 16 yr olds gaming chair and rig. Gaudy faux flash and much blinkin neon. Hideous all day long.

That maybach turd makes the cyber truck look appealing in a drunken strung out way.

Glad to see you back Adrian, been jonesing for your scribbling.

GranTurismo
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GranTurismo
2 days ago

Glad to see you mention the W108 sedan. I had one briefly (had to sell it to buy baby furniture) and even though it was in rough shape, it was glorious. It looked like a spy movie diplomat’s car. Literal strangers would stop and wave. Now when I see a new Mercedes, my eye either slides off indifferently or is actively repelled.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
2 days ago

I agree with all of this except one small nit I must pick. Styling disasters are rarely, if ever, becasue of one designer (ahem, stylist). Adrian, you must surely know this crap happens by committee. The train wreck of MB over the last few decades is more than one person. Everybody needs to have that one extra “but shiny black plastic is all the rage” input.

Yes the leader of the department should lead and push back, but it just doesn’t work like that anymore.

Casey Blake
Casey Blake
2 days ago

Meh

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
2 days ago

this is the exact situation BMW found itself in pre-Bangle

Hold up, wait a minute. Pre-Bangle BMWs were no less than peak BMW. The E46, the E39 and E38, plus the E53 X5 and the Z3 and fricking Z8. They might have looked alike, but these were all mechanical marvels, fully embracing “The Ultimate Driving Machine” mantra.

Mercedes has cars that not only look alike, but are bland, mechanically insipid (like a fridge) and full of cringe-worthy stuff like three pointed stars in the lighting and “I swear, officer, I didn’t see that kid” giant screens inside which will look dated tomorrow. Nobody will remember, cherish, collect or save these, contrary to those BMWs.

This was pre-Bangle BMW: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fT6o7hVOS2E/maxresdefault.jpg

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Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

This ‘peak BMW’ thing is a retcon

The design part, yes, agreed. But the engineering part was recognized even back then. The 3, 5 and 7 Series all were almost universally considered the best cars of the era. Nothing came close and they were scoring top spots in reviews and the engines were winning awards for many years in a row.

It’s funny because to some eyes Bangle’s designs are also becoming less insulting. Not me, though. I always point at the base of the A-pillar in the E60 to prove how bad Bangle and his minions were at designing cars. Look at this train crash of lines: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/BMW_E60_front_20080417.jpg

The pre-facelift E65 was also the worst-looking modern BMW until the XM came along.

Albert Ferrer
Albert Ferrer
2 days ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

Oh thank you, now I’ve looked at an E60 and made me remeber how bad it was.

The Fiat Coupe was fine though.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

All based on car magazine writers that sold many ads to the manufacturer

Ppnw
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Ppnw
2 days ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

The engineering part is still true. BMWs are regularly noted as being better drivers’ cars than the competition. The B58 engine is a masterpiece and that engineering legacy has never died.

The E60 has aged beautifully, especially when compared to contemporary rivals. Seriously, look at the W211 E Class or the Audi A6 of the era. They look 10-15 years older.

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
1 day ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Literally every other non-Bangle BMW has done that section right. Let’s focus on 5 Series: the F10, the E39, the E34, the G30. The secret is angles and curves to make the lines flow. Here’s an F10: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/BMW_ActiveHybrid5_%28F10%29_front.JPG and here’s an E39: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/BMW_E39_front_20081125.jpg . It’s not that hard.

Every single line at the base of the E60’s A-pillar goes nowhere. Every. Single. One. Shoulder line? Stops there. A-pillar thickness vs fender thickness? Different. Why? Only Bangle knows. Designers could’ve used the mirror base to mask this, but they didn’t. I still believe the E60 is one of the worst-styled BMWs ever made and people only like it with M-bumpers because compared to the atrocities they’re making today, it doesn’t look as offensive. We had an E60 in base spec. It was a bulbous, weird and shapeless thing.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I am 63 years old peak BMW Happened prior to the date of my birth. Same with Mercedes

Albert Ferrer
Albert Ferrer
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I think it might be a reference to the prewar cars, the 328 Mille Miglia and whatnot.

Ppnw
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Ppnw
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

The F10 5 Series is basically an attempt to continue the late 90s/early 2000s design language – and you’re absolutely right, there was nowhere to go.

Even though it was a great car, particularly the M5, it’s largely forgotten and never mentioned. Because it was unimaginative and the design had run its course.

The Bangle designs were the shot of adrenaline BMW needed at the time.

JJ
JJ
2 days ago

Ooh, rant time! All my loving.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
2 days ago

The face of a 50s Buick drawn like Alfred E Neuman.

And not in a good way.

Thomas The Tank Engine
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Thomas The Tank Engine
2 days ago

When Thomas first wrote about this car other day, I did post in the comments that I wanted to know what Uncle Adrian thought.

And boy, it did not disappoint.

Welcome back Adrian

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Roofless
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Roofless
2 days ago

I can tell this is bad because you end by praising BMW’s consistency and commitment to the brand identity, which is sort of like praising John Wayne Gacy for his contributions to the public awareness of the clowning profession.

Roofless
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Roofless
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

The ultimate clowning machine

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
2 days ago
Reply to  Roofless

Alright that got a legitimate laugh out of me.

GranTurismo
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GranTurismo
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

To be fair, he had really big shoes to fill

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  Roofless

Say want you want about John Wayne Gacy but he was a good worker and a home owner. There are worse people.
That was a joke people from some one else. Anyone know who?

Last edited 2 days ago by 1978fiatspyderfan
Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 day ago

Trump, at a certain specific stage of cognitive decline roughly concurrent with “the late, great Hannibal Lecter”?

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
21 hours ago
Reply to  Roofless

GEORGE: Bozo?

ERIC: No.

GEORGE: B-O-Z-O?

ERIC: Sorry, I…

GEORGE: You’ve never heard of Bozo the Clown?

ERIC: No!

GEORGE: How could you not know who Bozo the Clown is?

ERIC: I don’t know, I just don’t.

GEORGE: How can you call yourself a clown and not know who Bozo is?

ERIC: Hey, man – what are you hassling me for? This is just a gig, it’s not my life. I don’t know who Bozo is, what – is he a clown?

GEORGE: Is he a clown? What, are you kidding me!?

ERIC: Well, what is he?

GEORGE: Yes, he’s a clown!

ERIC: Alright, so what’s the big deal! There’s millions of clowns!

GEORGE: Alright, just forget it.

ERIC: Me forget it? You should forget it! You’re livin’ in the past, man! You’re hung up on some clown from the sixties, man!

GEORGE: Alright, very good, very good…go fold your little balloon animals, Eric. Eric! What kind of name is that for a clown, huh?

Strangek
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Strangek
2 days ago

I was worried about you, Uncle Adrian, I haven’t heard from you in a long time. I figured you locked yourself in the bathroom again, but realized you had a carton of smokes on hand so didn’t call for help.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

This level of venom was produced last minute?!? I fear for what you would produced with some really pent-up hatred.

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Note to Matt:
THANK YOU for reading the comments in Thomas’s article hoping for Adrian to address this bastardized design.

Last edited 2 days ago by Really No Regrets
Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Finally made time to check out your Instagram…to only now realize that’s where I can get my “Adrian Fix”, even if only a fleeting morsel.

Subscribed to you there even though I typically avoid time spent on ‘socials’.

Cheers

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 day ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Is that before or after safety?

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  Strangek

I figured he was having withdrawals from a car he said he hates but now misses.

DaFaRo
DaFaRo
2 days ago

The problem with german OEMs is that they are doing the german interpretation of chinese cars that are already the chinese interpretation of german vehicles.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  DaFaRo

German car past quality Chinese car pre quality

I don't hate manual transmissions
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I don't hate manual transmissions
2 days ago

The best or nothing? They should have gone with nothing.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
2 days ago

Fully agree.

When I was a kid, I spent a good deal of time in a 300SL roadster that I was allowed to play in (pretend I was on a road race somewhere and admire the build quality that was impressive even at a single-digit age), but they also had a Pagoda. As an adult, I regret largely ignoring it. There’s was white, but that light blue is stunning. I’m not much of a fan of German cars—even the ones I like, there’s something else for the money I’d rather have—but I’ve always respected the engineering of Mercedes-Benz, so seeing what they’ve become is very disappointing.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
2 days ago

Ahhh, not my usual, forgot how I missed Extra Special Bitter!

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
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My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Strong flavour of vitriol, coupled with full bodied historical insight, finishes with a hint of stinging deep design critique.

Always refreshing, Adrian! Another pint for this lad!

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
2 days ago

Excellently written explanation of why I had a visceral negative reaction to this thing.

Fourmotioneer
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Fourmotioneer
2 days ago

lol, the JLR wheel designer doesn’t seem to enjoy middle eastern night clubs or shisha smoke

Fourmotioneer
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Fourmotioneer
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

What else did you keep busy with before you presumably voluntarily departed?

A Mercedes can have whatever aesthetic its customers prefer. Plenty of middle-eastern people work at Daimler. As a used Ferrari owner, I’d assume you’re far from the customer base for this.

Tired of people who feel like brands owe them anything. It’s kind of pathetic. I drive Alfas. Don’t really care for the new ones. Don’t really care. It’s just a brand

Fourmotioneer
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Fourmotioneer
2 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Ah, the good Defender. So you moved right up from apprentice designer to online critic.

I think Mercedes has a market in mind and that you don’t appreciate that market, based on your comments. I suspect that you don’t like the middle-eastern bent to it. It’s pretty clearly somehow promoting F1 involvement too

My family own a 2.3-16 and a 300CE sportline 5-speed with houndstooth cloth seats. Half of us are in Germany today speaking German. No feelings hurt by Mercedes here.

Brands change, countries change. Yawn

Ppnw
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Ppnw
2 days ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

Hey man, what’s your problem?

I tend to disagree with 90% of Adrian’s takes but it doesn’t make them worthless or unfounded. I appreciate his perspective specifically because it differs from mine.

Also, seeing as Mercedes sales are in freefall while its main rival BMW sets records, maybe Adrian is right this time?

In any case, it’s an opinion.

Also, whether you like it or not, the Defender is a runaway success – and the design has a lot to do with it.

Dan
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Dan
2 days ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

Trollololol

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
2 days ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

You write with the confidence of someone who has never been underestimated in their entire life.

Jay Mcleod
Jay Mcleod
1 day ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

“Brands change, countries change. Yawn”

Ah, a sophisticate, man of the urbane mind, netizen “based in…”, kind of statement.

I’ll borrow it for my next interview in marketing.

Bluetooth Cassette Tape
Bluetooth Cassette Tape
1 day ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

Brands change, and if they want to change in a way that’s lost them 12% of their stock value in 6 months, they are well within their rights to do so. We are also well within our rights to clown on them for making such a decision. Clearly Mercedes hasnt been nailing their target market properly, and Adrian is not the only person to recognize that.

Toronto_design_guy
Toronto_design_guy
2 days ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

Yeah, but this is an opinion piece on a car blog. So of course, he’s going to give his opinion. He’s not demanding anything, it’s just an analysis from his informed point of view. He’s pointing out inconsistencies with the brand, I’m not sure that’s pathetic?

D4-D
D4-D
1 day ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

Nice try, Gorden.

Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
2 days ago

This abomination was obviously created by AI. Unfortunately, the LLM was told to create a modern version of a classic yellow Mercedes from the 50s and found this picture:

http://www.baumaschinenbilder.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=158384&sid=dd040541ad67f0f5ad383401db9617ac

Last edited 2 days ago by Ex-Exeo
Greg
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Greg
2 days ago

German everything sucks these days. People might not like that, but its the truth. Honest to God, I’d rather be in Daves diesel Van cruising the autobahn than this fucking thing.

Best I can say is maybe they tried for a Italian supercar style and just really didn’t land it?

Last edited 2 days ago by Greg
Space
Space
2 days ago
Reply to  Greg

I bet driving David’s van would get more looks and attention than this abomination. Isn’t it a manual too, that’s a bonus for driving experience.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
2 days ago
Reply to  Greg

It’s like they tried drawing a Panamera from memory, without ever having seen the car first.

Redapple
Redapple
2 days ago

This is bad road porn. I mean, some porno is good but this? No, just NO.

NorthernCarGuy
NorthernCarGuy
2 days ago

Garish is note a word one would historically use to describe a Mercedes, but that’s certainly garish. From the logo headlights to the log tail lights, the whole thing is just influencer-lease-bait look-at-me sadness.

Chris D
Chris D
15 hours ago
Reply to  NorthernCarGuy

It looks like it’s aimed square at at Kim Kardashian fans with kids and just enough child support coming in to cover the lease payments.

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