Online car dealerships like Carvana often have a bad reputation. In theory, these companies allow you to buy a car entirely online without ever talking to a salesman. Yet, they have also caused all sorts of headaches for drivers across America. I was either brave enough or stupid enough to chance Carvana not just once, but twice. I had such a great time that I don’t think I’ll ever go to a used car dealership again.
Back in January, I did something out of the ordinary for me and got a car that wasn’t at the bottom of its depreciation curve. I picked up a 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata, finally fulfilling a goal I’ve had since driving a Miata ND for the first time at the Chicago Auto Show. To date, it remains one of my favorite cars, and while I was reluctant to get it at first, I’m so happy I did. My wife is, too, as she also now has a flashy car to ride around in.
You might have noticed that, when I wrote my story about the Miata in February, I didn’t mention where I got the car or how much I paid for it. This Miata was one of the rare instances where I got a car from a dealership. But I didn’t choose any random dealership. Instead, it was Carvana. The Miata is now the second car we’ve purchased from Carvana, and I’m convinced I’ll never go to a regular used car dealer again. A lot of it is because Carvana, and companies like it, have strategically eliminated the worst part about buying a used car: the dealership experience.

Buying A Used Car Is Like Pulling Teeth
Being the car writer in my family and friend circle means I’m almost always the first call that a non-car person makes when purchasing a vehicle. I have lost count of how many car dealerships I’ve been in, how many spiels I’ve heard from salesmen, and how many bad deals I’ve seen people willingly sign on the dotted line for. Honestly, I’m so done with it.
My parents usually start their search by calling up some dealers. My parents are usually told what they want to hear, so we pile into a vehicle and drive out. What then occurs is a painful process that takes all day. We find out that the person on the phone wasn’t in the sales department, and the vehicle they said existed had just been “sold.” Then, my parents are offered a list of vehicles that do exist, none of which can tow 7,000 pounds. Sometimes, a dealer just doesn’t have a tow vehicle, even though the person on the phone said there were plenty in stock. So we leave after burning a few hours of time.

In one instance, a salesman insisted with a totally straight face that a new Chevrolet Equinox could tow a 7,000-pound trailer. My parents didn’t know any better, so they didn’t question it. I did know better, and I called the salesman out. For the record, an Equinox tows 1,500 pounds.
Typically, we spend all day at a few dealers just to walk out with nothing. It doesn’t get better when my parents find a suitable vehicle. Now it’s time to negotiate, and remember, they have to negotiate with someone who negotiates for a living. Oh, then there’s the fun of all of the dealer add-ons.
When all is said and done, both my parents and I feel like we’ve fought a long battle, and somehow it feels like we’ve still lost in the end.

I’ve had terrible dealer experiences entirely on my own. In 2012, I saved up enough money to buy my first Smart Fortwo. At first, I tried to get a cheap used one. Every dealer I went to offered me $200 on my trade, a 2001 Kia Rio, and tried marking up the Smart with “necessary” add-ons. The last straw was when I went to a certain dealer and, as I was working out the deal on the Smart, I turned my head and saw a dealer employee doing handbrake drifts in my Kia.
[Ed Note: For the record, I bought my 2021 BMW i3S from a car dealer, and it was easy as pie. I found the car online, I paid the advertised price, and the dealer shipped it across the country to me in California. I also work with Galpin here in LA, and Galpin has a great reputation. But obviously, mileage varies. -DT]
I ended up driving my Kia straight to CarMax, which offered me $750. I then went to Loeber Motors Lincolnwood and drove home a brand-new Smart that night.

Really, the only two pleasant times I’ve had buying a car for myself in a physical dealer were when I bought two of my Smarts new. The only other positive experience I can think of was when Sheryl bought her Scion iQ, but even that wasn’t entirely kosher. If you remember the post I wrote on that experience, I praised the dealership for “fixing” the rusty fender. They actually covered it in Bondo and paint. The repair didn’t even last a year before rust started appearing on the surface again.
So, this is a very long way of saying that I’m so done with buying used cars from dealerships. I don’t enjoy negotiating, I hate hidden fees, and I don’t like burning a whole day just to buy a car. What has worked for me is getting cars from an unexpected source, Carvana.
Carvana Sucks Sometimes
I say “unexpected” because Carvana has an absolutely dreadful reputation. A few years ago, I wrote a dive into all of the ways that Carvana sucks. Carvana’s issues go far back, too. Here’s what I wrote in 2022:
In 2018, Carvana caught the attention of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, specifically the state’s Department of Banking and Securities, Compliance Office. The state says it found that Carvana failed to operate within the state’s Consumer Credit Code. Pennsylvania said Carvana had entered into installment sales contracts with customers since 2014 without having a license to do so. From Pennsylvania’s filing:
The Office contends that Carvana entered into installment sale contracts with Pennsylvania consumers while not licensed as an installment seller in Pennsylvania from January 2014 to present.
Carvana believes it was not required to be licensed pursuant to the CCC for financing vehicle sales if it did not have a dealership in Pennsylvania.
Carvana entered into a settlement agreement with Pennsylvania, where it paid $117,375 in fines in exchange for a Pennsylvania dealer license.

But that was just the tip of the iceberg. From my report:
In 2019 and 2020, Carvana customers on Reddit began reporting title delays and sometimes just not receiving a title at all. This apparently escalated to the point when in 2021, Carvana’s handling of vehicle documents became national news. In December 2021, News 4 JAX reported that the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles was suing Carvana because the company allegedly took too long to issue titles and other documents. Florida law requires dealers to turn over title and registration documents to buyers within 30 days, and Carvana was allegedly failing to do that, WFLA reports. According to WFLA, Florida state regulators claim that Carvana’s document issues in Florida went back to February 2020 and even though the state issued titles on time, Carvana took up to eight months to deliver them.
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This meant that customers couldn’t even drive the cars that they purchased. That Florida report mentions similar title issues reported in California, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Texas. In Texas reports look awfully familiar, with customers purchasing vehicles from Carvana in 2020 and apparently only sometimes receiving documents. KPRC Houston profiled a Texas Carvana customer who purchased a 2018 Hyundai Elantra. They were reportedly forced to drive on numerous temporary license plates while waiting for documents from Carvana.
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The Illinois Secretary of State was next to take aim at Carvana. Here in Illinois, dealerships have 20 days to provide customers titles. Like in the aforementioned states, Fox Business reports, Carvana allegedly failed to do that.
On May 10, 2022, the state of Illinois banned Carvana from operating in the state due to the above, in addition to issuing out-of-state temporary plates to Illinois residents, failing to process title paperwork, and failing to use a licensed remitter for temporary plates.
If you thought all of that was bad, there’s also the fact that, as my report pointed out, Carvana has also allegedly sold stolen cars to multiple customers. Don’t think it was just Carvana, either, as the once popular online car dealer, Vroom, also found itself in hot water for the allegedly illegal handling of vehicle title paperwork. Update: Vroom also shut down operations in 2024.
All of that ignores the fact that the car you get might not be in the condition that the website said it was in. Carvana proudly proclaims that it performs a 150-point inspection on every car it sells. Yet, in my experience, Carvana sells cars that clearly fail parts of that inspection. So, at best, the inspection isn’t always as thorough as advertised. There are countless threads on the Internet of people getting broken cars from Carvana.
We Bought A Car From Carvana

To its credit, Carvana did clean up some of its practices. It settled lawsuits, got state bans lifted, and is seemingly doing better about getting drivers their documents. It’s not perfect. Carvana still appears in the news every now and then for title issues or selling an allegedly stolen vehicle, but conditions don’t seem to be as bad as they were in 2022 and 2023.
I’ve also noticed that Carvana has corrected some of its pricing. I track values for Smarts, and for years, Carvana had the worst deals I had ever seen. It was only a couple of years ago when Carvana would seriously try to sell you a 2015 Smart Fortwo Pure with over 50,000 miles for $15,000. That was especially insane when you remember that a new Smart Pure had a price of $13,270 in 2015. Nowadays, the Smarts sold by Carvana are still overpriced, but at least they’re a bit closer to reality.
So then, why the heck are Sheryl and I two-time customers? I just spent so many words talking about why Carvana sucks. As I’ve found out over the years, it is possible to get a decent experience from Carvana; you just have to do some research.

Our first Carvana purchase was in 2021 after my wife had gone through five cars that failed her in a row. Like me, Sheryl quickly grew tired of the used car dealership runaround, so she logged onto Vroom and Carvana and started shopping. Eventually, we landed on a 2010 Toyota Prius from Carvana. We liked this car because it had a great service history, no reported crashes, and had lived its entire life down south.
The Carvana experience was a breath of fresh air. There was no haggling, no high-pressure sales environment, no games, no hidden fees, no etched glass, no TruCoat, or none of that nonsense. The price she saw was the price she paid, plus interest, of course.
Carvana didn’t patent this experience. Saturn was the pioneer of the “no-haggle” dealership experience, and it was continued by the likes of CarMax. Carvana only took the experience online. In doing so, Carvana made buying a car alarmingly easy. The Prius was even delivered to our door for free.

There was no way the Prius actually passed Carvana’s inspection. Carvana said that the Prius had only a few scratches. In reality, the right headlight was a fishbowl of water, one of the 12V sockets did not work, the rear window defroster killed the radio’s antenna when turned on, and the urethane steering wheel had light peeling.
Carvana’s cars ship with a seven-day, no-questions-asked return policy and a 100-day limited warranty. The warranty is administered through SilverRock, and the twist is that SilverRock doesn’t want to pay dealership prices for repairs. So, your warranty is honored only at some car repair chains and some independent mechanics. Also, SilverRock might fight the shop over covering the repair. As one shop owner who wishes to remain anonymous recently told me, SilverRock didn’t cover a CV joint replacement until the joint was actively clicking.

In our case, none of the shops that were approved by SilverRock worked on hybrids. Ultimately, we had the issues repaired by a Toyota dealership, and SilverRock reluctantly agreed to reimburse us. Apparently, SilverRock does fix some things. If your Carvana car has issues that you can’t live with, just use that seven-day return window.
Aside from that hiccup, the Prius was a great car. Sheryl drove that car something like 50,000 miles, and the only issue we ever had with it was a bad 12-volt battery. Otherwise, it always worked without failure. That experience with Carvana turned Sheryl into a fan.
If anything, Carvana makes it too easy to lock yourself into a terrible financial decision by having so few barriers.
Then I Got Another Carvana Car

When I started shopping for the Miata, I visited the normal places like Facebook and used car dealer websites. But the longer I stared at over a dozen listings at dealers across the country, the more I dreaded even picking up the phone. All of those memories of dealing with used car dealers welled up, and I didn’t want any part of it.
So, just like Sheryl did in 2021, I logged onto Carvana. I was in love the second I found the Miata that’s now parked in front of my apartment. It was a one-owner car with fantastic documented history. I even found the original owner of the car on a Miata forum. The price, $18,000, also appeared to be fair, too. I checked as many car value tools as I could find, and pretty much all of them said that Carvana’s asking price was slightly high, but within my car’s private party value range, assuming the condition was as good as advertised

That was good enough for me, so I paid off half the car immediately and threw the other half into financing from my bank. Carvana’s in-house financing had worse terms. Anyway, once again, all of it was entirely seamless. I bought the car online, signed the paperwork online, didn’t have to negotiate, and didn’t have to worry about silly add-ons. I didn’t even speak with a human. It was so good. Could I have gotten a better deal by negotiating? Absolutely, but also, keeping my sanity was worth it.
Carvana was even kind enough to tell me that the Miata was so low to the ground that they weren’t going to attempt putting it on one of its nifty rollback trucks for fear of scraping the bumper. They asked me to pick it up at a nearby Carvana “vending machine.” Amusingly, the Carvana people were also too scared to put it in the vending machine, too. So they parked it in a space outside. You know what? That was cool.

Picking up the car was just as painless as buying it. I flashed my insurance to a Carvana employee, and then he gave me the keys to the car and took my picture. I didn’t get to use the gimmicky vending machine, but I got to keep the giant coin, and I did get to watch a couple literally jump with joy as their Nissan Rogue descended down the tower.
As far as my Miata goes? I wrote about it already, and it’s still just as awesome as the day I got it. Carvana’s condition description was on point, and I’ve needed nothing fixed on the vehicle.

While I’m sure there are enough negative Carvana experiences out there to fill multiple articles, getting two cars from Carvana has gone so well that I don’t think I’m even going to consider a regular used car dealer for pre-owned purchases anymore. That’s how much I’ve been turned off from regular car dealerships.
Do Your Homework
To be clear, the cars from Carvana are not any better or worse than the cars found at typical used car dealerships. Assume your car did not get the 150-point inspection that Carvana advertises. Check the Carfax, Google the car’s VIN, and study the photos very carefully. When you get the car, get it inspected right away. Don’t be afraid to use the return policy and unravel the purchase.

Also, be sure to check the values for the car you want to buy. Carvana still has a problem with overpricing some cars. The risk here is that you don’t want to be so deeply underwater that you’re in the Mariana Trench the second you sign the dotted line. Also be sure to shop around for financing, as you might be able to get a better deal than what Carvana offers. Your bank or credit union might have a decent car financing offer!
If you do your homework, take your time, and shop around, I think it’s possible to have a good Carvana experience. Is this the future of car buying? Honestly, I have no idea. But I know where I’m shopping the next time I want a car that’s not a $3,000 hooptie from Facebook.
To be clear, this isn’t at all an endorsement of Carvana itself. As I detailed above, the company sort of sucks. But the model of selling cars entirely online, no dealership or salespeople needed? Oh, I love that.









No middlemen
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I did my first Carvana purchase in December and have had some good and some bad, but overall I was pretty satisfied.
It started with the trade. They gave me the best offer on my Giulia than any other dealer was willing to give and the difference was by a couple of thousand dollars. The plan was to sell them the car and then go shopping with the cash.
I was on the hunt for a Grand Cherokee. I started looking new because I still get my dad’s retiree discount, but new car prices are ridiculous since 2020 and nobody was willing to negotiate a fair price. It was the typical dealer bullshit that was turning me off fast.
I told my wife that I think I was just going to shop used and see what I can find. She suggested I look at Carvana’s inventory even though I had my doubts about not seeing or test driving the car first. We ran through the inventory, along with our son who also shares the car, and together we settled on 2022 GC 4Xe.
The price was a bit more than I wanted to spend and I had to have it shipped from Georgia, which had to be paid up front and was non-refundable, but it was still within my budget and I was willing to give it a try so I went for it.
Financing was interesting. I had most of the money to pay for it, but had to borrow a small amount. Rather than wait for a Monday morning to call my credit union, I sat on the couch in my sweats and applied for loan on Carvana’s site to cover the small excess. I was instantly approved and that instantly pushed the process along much quicker. So on a Saturday evening, from my couch, I had a guaranteed trade amount for the Alfa and vehicle picked out and ready to ship to Michigan. The small downside is the interest rate was twice the rate as my CU, but that would be handled later.
We went as a family, which included my daughter and her husband, to watch me get a car from a vending machine, which was coincidentally on my birthday, so we turned it into a birthday gift of sorts to me and dinner with the family. We traded in the Alfa with no issue and did the vending machine gimmick, which was embarrassing and fun at the same time.
Upon delivery, I saw all of the scratches and imperfections as shown in the pictures, but noticed the sunroof wind deflector was broken. While I had to wait weeks for the parts to become available, Silver Rock covered the repairs without issue. I’ve also since then had to purchase new tires a bit sooner than I had planned and have had a handful of recalls and factory warranty repairs done, but am otherwise satisfied with the car with the goal to have any and all issues handled before the factory powertrain warranty runs out and we plan our summer road trip to the PNW.
Overall, I like the ease of the trade and purchase. I wasn’t a fan of the high interest rate for soneone with a top tier rating or that I couldn’t inspect the car first as I paid the delivery fee already and felt obligated to complete the purchase. On the other hand, it gave me a wider selection of vehicles to choose from, so a small shipping fee didn’t bother me that much, but it’s something to take into consideration. I’ve put a bit of money into the car with new tires, but it gave me the opportunity to get better ones that I actually liked. I switched the financing immediately to my CU and avoided any fees or large interest payments to Carvana’s finance arm. The car was not perfect, as is the risk of buying any used car, but at a price that was more than a third cheaper than what I could get with my Mopar discount, imperfections are expected. In the end, I still saved much more than buying new and when I decide to sell it in four years, I’ll take less of a financial hit.
I would do Carvana again, but I’m not tied to it. I would rather look at it as a viable option based on my needs at the time and consider it among my standard options of traditional dealers and private sellers.
Carvana may be a fully online dealer but Carmax has a terrific online experience as well. My wife got a 2018 MDX with 10k miles on it delivered to our local Carmax for $100. Last year I had my 2023 WRX with 6k miles shipped from Tennessee for $100 as well. We had already driven similar models at local dealers and knew what we wanted, just had to find the right colors and mileage. Easy, peasy lemon squeezy. No negotiating, add-ons or nonsense. Carmax’s document fees are lower, in some cases much lower than most dealers. There are no other additional fees or prices bumps so while Carmax’s listed price is often a littler higher than a traditional dealer, the out the door price is rarely much more and can sometimes be less.
I’m stunned to see I would need at least $15.6k to buy an equivalent Fit to my 2015 EX. And most are more.
I’m still angling for a BMW 128i convertible, but I’m in no rush. I love my car too much and I think I’d rather re-renovate our condo first.
“CV joint replacement”
I think JT can get you a great deal on 2CV joints…oh, you meant 2 CV joints? Ha ha
Car salesman: “Can I help you?”
George Costanza: “One more step and we’re walking!
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CUSTOMER
We sat here right in this room and went over this and over this!
JERRY
Yah, but that TruCoat –
CUSTOMER
I sat right here and said I didn’t want no TruCoat!
JERRY
Yah, but I’m sayin’, that TruCoat, you don’t get it and you get
oxidization problems. It’ll cost you a heck of lot more’n five
hunnert –
CUSTOMER
You’re sittin’ here, you’re talkin’ in circles! You’re talkin’ like
we didn’t go over this already!
JERRY
Yah, but this TruCoat –
CUSTOMER
We had us a deal here for nine-teen-five. You sat there and
darned if you didn’t tell me
you’d get this car, these options, WITHOUT THE SEALANT, for nine-teen-five!
JERRY
Okay, I’m not sayin’ I didn’t –
CUSTOMER
You called me twenty minutes ago and said you had it! Ready to make delivery, ya says! Come on down and get it! And here ya are and you’re wastin’ my time and you’re wastin’ my wife’s time and I’m payin’ nineteen-five for this vehicle here!
JERRY
Well, okay, I’ll talk to my boss…
JERRY
… See, they install that TruCoat at the factory, there’s nothin’ we can do, but I’ll talk to my boss.
CUSTOMER
These guys here – these guys! It’s always the same! It’s always more! He’s a liar!
My last three car purchases have been no hassle online deals, but through traditional dealers.
I figure out exactly what I want, right down to the VIN sometimes, then email every dealer in a 300mi radius and ask for an out-the-door price, I’m not signing anything that has any other number on it, I’ve got an 800 credit score and I’m buying a car from someone today.
Each time I’ve had two or three of the dealerships out of the couple dozen I contact respond appropriately, which is a sad ratio, but I only need one to deliver the goods as requested.
I get a response from someone saying, “Yep, $xx,xxx, I’ll have the paperwork ready when you get here.” Go to the dealership, fill out the paperwork with no shenanigans, drive the car home. I’m 3 for 3 now with this method, so I’m going to stick to it.
(Ok, so there may have been some shenanigans, but not enough to put me off. The Dodge dealer got me for the glass etching, but I was unloading two problem vehicles on them, I was so over the shopping, and it wasn’t much; so eh, whatever. The Toyota dealer tried selling me nonsense while going through the paperwork, but they were just throwing stuff out to see if I’d bite and didn’t push at all, so I couldn’t really be mad about that.)
I lol’d while simultaneously feeling a quick wave of sympathetic nausea from considering the stress that I suspect went with being in the ordinary.
I hate the in-person dealer experience. I’ve only had one where I didn’t walk out feeling like I got screwed, but I’m also unusually tall and don’t fit well in the majority of cars out there. I really need to sit in the driver’s seat and have time to fiddle with all of the adjustments.
The best case scenario for me is when I can find one that was left open on a car lot and sit in it as long as I want to find a good seating position (or not), but one downside of the modern passive entry systems is that it’s much harder to leave a car unlocked.
I can’t see myself buying a car online like this unless I’ve had a chance to showroom it first.
I get what you’re saying — I used to wonder why IKEA was so popular until I tried buying furniture at a proper furniture store, where the bag of tricks and hassles was similar to car dealers. But for used car sales there’s always going to be some risk of problems with the car and sellers will always be incentivized to hide/avoid responsibility for them. Carvana’s process, economies of scale, and need to protect a national brand might help, but only somewhat as your Prius shows. So I wonder if the best options are really still a) puttting the time and effort in yourself to get an inspection, negotiate, etc, or b) hiring a car broker/consultant to do that for you. I’ve only done a but have strongly considered b. FWIW, last time I did a), I used my favorite AI service to walk me through the process, and it was a big help.
I don’t know about buying, but I think it may be the way to go for selling.
Right now, I’m thinking when I pay off my Ram in 4 years I’m going to try to sell it to Carvana (or similar) and start driving older cars again.
I don’t want to deal with rando tire kickers or lowballing dealers.
And turns out there no benefit to trading it in, RI does not credit taxes paid on trade-ins when buying or trading trucks. I got 14K on my trade in and still had to pay tax on the full purchase price – I was not happy when I found that out.
Well, Carvana tells me my 2015 Fit EX is worth $5400, but lists hosts of equivalent Fits for $15k and up, including cars with 100k miles like mine.
I think Carvana vehicles can be fine if the price is good and you’re lucky. I don’t like the sound of the SilverRock warranty though. Carvana needs their own network of shops that will handle warranty repairs without hassle, instead of what sounds like the customer having to be a middle man between their shop of choice and the warranty company.
I’ve had a good experience both selling to Carvana and buying from Carvana. HOWEVER! An important note about the 7-day return policy: It does not cover the delivery fee. Which yeah, obviously. Just wanted to clarify that even with the return policy, the transaction is not without its financial risks.
In my case, the delivery fee was $1,300 to have the car shipped across the country. I was okay with this price because Carvana was also offering me at least that much more than my trade-in was worth. Even knowing this, it made the “no questions asked” return much less valuable.
My Carvana experience was great selling a BMW x1 3.5i, they sent the check ahead of time, the driver showed up took the title I removed my plates and was done, they did leave the car on the street 3 days so lucky no ticket. My last bad dealer experience was with CarMax. They sold me a defective car with failed air suspension and there was even a work order for the Audi dealer under the seat! At least the return was easy as they had to tow it away. Got the same exact car at Quality Auto in WA and was an amazing experience. Smaller dealers that are specialized tend to be better, big mass market dealers not so much…
My last dealership experience was about as close to Carvana as you can get without actually going there. I bought my Bolt sight-unseen from a dealership in Maryland via 1 or 2 phone conversations, a few emails, and financing through my credit union. I literally spent 30 seconds at the dealership on the day I picked it up. I came in, was handed a folder with all the paperwork in it and the keys, and I was on my way.
My other dealership experiences have been fairly good too now that I think about it. I had a Chevy dealership help me find financing through a local credit union when neither they nor my credit union could do anything with the 8-or-9-year old, 104,000 mile Cavalier I wanted to buy. Another place waived their credit card fee so that I could put my Prius on 2 credit cards and get all the cash back and take advantage of my 0% APR for 15 months promo. The owner had actually been daily driving it, and seemed to really like it, and after driving it over 85,000 miles with very few issues, I don’t think it was a scheme to get me to buy it.
I’ve only bought one car from any sort of dealership, that being my Volt. They did try all the dealership stuff like the “etched glass”, protection plans and all crap, I just told them to fuck off lol. Only reason I bought it from the dealer was to get the $4000 dollar tax credit
I sold a car to Carvana in 2020 and still use it to check values, etc, when friends ask about selling or trading in. They seem to pay pretty well and it’s a much better experience then chucking something on FB Marketplace and is almost always more money than a dealer will offer on trade. And you can always just show the dealer the estimate if you want to use trade to offset sales tax.
As far as buying, I just bought a used car and visited two dealers. One was a CarMax to test drive an example of the car I was looking for, and the other was the dealer I bought from. I did shop around to 6 or 7 other dealers, but only through text and email leading with “give me your best out the door quote.”
All of them sent me one without much hassle, and it was really easy to weed out the ones with crazy doc fees or stupid add-ons. When I went in to buy I’d already negotiated a price I was happy with and just had to check over the numbers while signing. They didn’t even try to tack on any silly extras.
I checked Carvana but everything they had was at least 10% more than where I felt the market price was.
That said, I visited a Kia dealer once with my brother-in-law to show him what the absolutely bottom of the new market looked like (Rio), and my god was that an awful experience. If you know what you want, have done your homework, and do everything over the phone or email beforehand going through a dealer is fine.
Walking in saying “What do you have you can sell me?” is a terrible tactic.
In selling to Carvana, how did their offer compare to the KBB price?
Hmm, I don’t really remember tbh. I seem to remember listing the car on FB Marketplace at around the KBB private party, but wasn’t able to find a buyer at that price so I went with Carvana. It must have been $1000-1500 (for a $10k car) difference, but the KBB private party doesn’t mean much if no one is biting on the ad.
Thanks.
Both times I bought a car from a dealership, the experience was fine, but I am also not one to put up with much BS. I am actually going to go so far as endorse Legends Toyota in Kansas City, I bought my GX from them used, the price listed online was the purchase price, no document fees or anything like that. I called the dealer and told them I was flying down if they would guarantee the car would still be for sale and they agreed to hold it for 24 hours. When I arrived, they had the keys ready for me, and after signing a liability release, they told me to take the car and use it like a rental for the day, come back by 4 pm if you want to buy it. I had enough time to have a 3rd party inspection completed, I bought lunch, and did some sightseeing in KC. Got back to the dealer and bought the car for the asking price. Overall, the experience was a breath of fresh air.
That’s the exact same experience I had at Sewell Lexus in Dallas years ago. They had a 2 year-old Lexus IS-F that was clean and a good price. I called to make sure they would hold it, then drove 400 miles to check it out. They gave me the keys and told us to go drive it for a few hours to check it out. We ate lunch, then drove back and bought it for the asking price (they gave me a good deal on my trade-in too).
For those who want to see and drive a car before coughing up their cash, luxury car dealers tend to be a significant step up from the mainline brands as far as customer service, regardless if new or used. I bought my Mini Cooper from South Austin Audi and it was a perfectly reasonable experience. Called them up to arrange a test drive beforehand and they had the car out and ready to go when I arrived. Took the test drive and told them I was still looking at other cars, but that I liked the Mini. No hard sell, just a business card with an out the door price written on it. After test driving a GTI at a BMW dealership in San Antonio (with a similar experience), saw that Audi was advertising the Mini at a lower price, emailed the salesman to give me new OTD price based on the reduced sales priced and bought the Mini after an independent inspection. Spent less than 2-hours total in the show room.
Years ago, had a similar experience buying a lease return Infiniti G35 from Austin Infiniti and that was also relatively simple experience.
Bought my wife’s CX-5 at a Mazda dealership in San Antonio, and it was the stereotypical waste-your-whole-day, run-around bullshit experience. Eventually got the deal we expected, but will never do business with them again. If Mazda wants to be considered a luxury brand, they got some serious work to do at their dealerships.