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If Giving Your Kid A Big Truck As A First Car For ‘Safety’ Is A Thing, Then Here’s The Vehicle That The Rest Of Us Need

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I’m not sure if you saw it last week, but our Mercedes Streeter pointed out a rapidly circulating post on social media that’s causing a lot of controversy beyond just our little world of automotive geekdom. You see, a person on the platform was expressing the opinion that he would never, ever put his now-driving-age children into a sedan on today’s roads, much less a compact one. No sir, it’s an old F-150 or Excursion to keep them safe on the roads. While some readers understand the dad’s logic (who doesn’t want to protect their kids?) others were wary of a child with around 40 hours of driving experience piloting a three-ton truck.

I fall squarely in the latter category, but as our Mercedes Streeter concluded, the choice is really up to the parents. While my hope is that pure logic and the barrier of gasoline cost will keep new drivers out of body-on-frame behemoths, I’m not taking any chances. It’s time to design the ultimate Volvo wagon to protect my family from kids texting while driving trucks.

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Maybe If They Wore Helmets?

In case you missed the post last week, you should really read it. Here’s a snippet of the post that got this thing all started:

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Let’s face the facts: this “bigger is safer” thing will lead to insane escalation in terms of vehicle size. It’s basically the “they grab a knife then we grab a gun” mentality. If that’s the case, then we want a really big Howitzer-sized gun of a car.

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Ford; GM

It didn’t used to be that way. The idea of a “safe” car used to be rooted in the design of the machine and not the pure size. We had countless safety car concepts in the early seventies, most of them rather awkward and unattractive.

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Consummate showman Malcolm Bricklin even made a sports car called the SV-1 (Safety Vehicle One) that incorporated a whole bunch of features including ten-mile-an-hour bumpers, a built-in roll cage, isolated gas tank and gullwing doors that didn’t open onto traffic. Whatever you think of Malcolm, it’s undeniable that his ex-Ford designer Herb Grasse fulfilled his goal of making a safe car that wasn’t ugly.

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Regardless, most “safe” cars of the day didn’t seem to put sleek aesthetics first. Boxy Mercedes sedans were at the top of that list, but for NPR Prairie Home Companion-listening self-righteous nature conservancy types that couldn’t pop for a Benz then the Volvo 245DL wagon was the “safe” car of choice.

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Today, the streets of Chicagoland’s northern suburbs are filled with large European and American SUVs, but fifty years back it was more likely to be Volvo estate cars or larger, full-sized GM B-Body wagons like Oldsmobile Custom Cruisers. Despite the size disparity, those with the Swedish car were rather convinced that their Volvos stood a better chance of protecting them in a crash than the domestic choices.

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Volvo

Some decades later, that logic still seemed to persist as WASP moms still might choose a Mercedes E-Class or a cool-looking Volvo 850 over a clunky Suburban.

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Volvo

Today, it seems that thinking is rapidly going out the window. The caveman approach of just-make-it-bigger appears to be prevailing wisdom. European SUVs like the X7 are getting larger, but they still won’t overtake domestic utes and pickups in the size race. For that reason, we need an all-new Volvo wagon to end all Volvo wagons; I know just the answer.

Making Suburbans Look Like Smarts

Let’s face it: if bigger is better, you can’t get safer than a medium- or heavy-duty truck as a starting point for a “safe” consumer truck. It’s been done before by companies such as Freightliner, or even a passenger truck version of the GMC Kodiak some years ago.

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General Motors

There was a similar monstrosity called the International CXT, based on a Navistar commercial vehicle, which claimed to be the world’s largest pickup truck.

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International

Still, we need to step it up a notch to be ready for the inevitable expansion. We have to go full-on semi-truck with our urban safety wagon, or we’re gonna be obsolete in a few years. As luck would have it, Volvo even offers a tractor-trailer truck to use as our basis for a big wagon. It’s called the VNL.

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Volvo

I know what you’re thinking: piloting something as big as a house is a job usually reserved for people who rap on CBs when they aren’t dodging lot lizards on the way to get a Salisbury steak at the Iron Skillet on I-80 while waiting for a shower to open up. How can I, much less a true WASP mom, get behind the wheel of one of these? Well, take a look at the VNL cabin. That’s some posh surroundings there, even if the wood is likely as plastic as a VISA card.

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Volvo

Here’s your next concern: am I really supposed to drive to Whole Foods while rowing through gears on an 18-speed manual transmission? I mean, I like stick cars, but something like this Eaton transmission on many a rig is a bit much:

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Eaton Fuller

Have no fear! The VNL has an automatic transmission, controlled by a simple wiper-stalk-looking thing, not some big honking B&M shift lever. Theoretically, it’s easier to drive than a six-speed Miata until you have to park it or navigate, say, Boston.

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Volvo

I’m sold! Let’s design this thing.

Maybe We Do A Hybrid Model?

I see no reason to change anything forward of the B pillar on the VNL to make our 24000DL wagon. This is aerodynamically refined European design maximized for efficiency – efficiency for carrying a truckload full of frozen burgers to Costco, but that’s beside the point.

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Here you can see an animation between the commercial truck and the 24000DL:

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The tall, enclosed cabin will have four traditional doors with roll-down windows like any other wagon that could likely fit in its entirety inside the big Volvo’s interior. Three rows of forward-facing seats would match any big American SUV, but the 24000DL would beat them with head count.

Up front, there are two massive spaces for driver and passenger, but the second row could fit three full captain’s chairs with room for a walkway between two of them to the third row. The third row can accommodate up to four people wide, with storage space below this sculpted bench. Oh, but it gets trickier. There’s so much range on the diesel tanks that we could easily bust the biggest bladder, but with room to move around, we could incorporate a favorite Jason Torchinsky automotive dream: the under-seat toilet. Yes, one of the lift-up seat cushions on the far end of the bench would reveal a cartridge toilet that you could use after closing a privacy curtain around you (the privacy glass should prevent anyone from outside seeing you, at least).

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The audio system is loud enough to cover up any noises you don’t want heard, and any smells could be easily expelled out a quarter panel exhaust vent, not unlike what’s on the original 245DL wagons.

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Volvo

Even with three rows, you have plenty of cargo space behind the electrically actuated hatch, which might articulate to cut down the length when opening.

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No, the button to close it would NOT be on the end. Wow, you could nearly transport a four-by-eight sheet of plywood sideways, couldn’t you?

We Have Safety, But At What Price?

You have questions about the 24000DL, I know. The price? The fuel economy? Hey, I thought we couldn’t put a value on kids’ lives in mere dollars and cents. Still, if you need to ask, the standard VNLs go for around $150,000 to $200,000, with specialty ones exceeding $350,000 (likely around where our VNL 24005DL might price out). That’s not bad compared to a Bentley or Rolls Cullinan that a kid in a Bigfoot replica might drive over. VNLs average around 7.0 to 8.5 miles per gallon, which is only a little worse than my 2009 200-Series Land Cruiser. This big Volvo wagon is starting to make a lot of sense.

Laugh all you want. If this absurd trend of bigger-is-safer continues for new 10th-grade drivers, this is the logical conclusion. Don’t say that I didn’t warn you.

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Phil
Phil
1 month ago

Yeah, but can I put a lift and offset wheels with thin tires on it? Because if I can’t, it’s not giving me the image I need for myself.

Rod Millington
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Rod Millington
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

I was thinking it needed more wheel nut spikes

Automated Manual
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Automated Manual
1 month ago

OMG, somebody is probably trying to figure out how to market this RN!

Mall Explorer
Mall Explorer
1 month ago

If they ever bring the EM90 stateside, it should look like that.

Jonus Grumby
Jonus Grumby
1 month ago

In a world filled with 6000 lb+ EVs and ~5000 lb suvs, I’m not putting my kids out there in a smart car.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago

Don’t give them any ideas… It’s an arms race to the bottom as it is.

RKranc
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RKranc
1 month ago

Volvo sold them off a few years ago, but how about one of these:
https://www.arquus-defense.com/our-offer/our-armored-vehicles

Last edited 1 month ago by RKranc
MrLM002
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MrLM002
1 month ago

Or what about the ramp car from the fast and furious series when it comes to sports cars?

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
1 month ago

In two years I’m going to put my son in a Volvo station wagon. Slow, safe, and I know he won’t get laid in it.

Jonus Grumby
Jonus Grumby
1 month ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

You my friend underestimate the pantie dropping power of a Volvo station wagon.

DangerRoad
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DangerRoad
1 month ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

I was thinking that any Wasp mom who drives around in a Volvo wagon like the one pictured is probably a MILF. You son may get laid by a bevy of Mrs. Robinson’s.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

I got plenty in an ’84 Subaru wagon and not the bottom of the barrel, either. I was even turning them away because I had a GF and I’m loyal. A bit of an art car, though.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

What did you do to yours?

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Fake 1984 East African Safari Rally placards on the doors, teeth in the grille, crosshairs on the hood, joke “kills” hashmarks on the driver’s door, a killer rabbit painted on the front fender, “War is Peace Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery” stacked on the three horizontal elements of the back bumper, and it had a PA system with an array of animal noises. In the early ’90s before the Civic scourge, almost everyone understood the racing stuff was a joke, particularly where most of my friends had what passed for fast cars back then. My ACME rocket bike is a modern equivalent to the car and I still get approached, but I’m no longer interested. Should have thought to build that one 20 years earlier.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I like it!
I actually have a Mutant Vehicle inspection jacket. It’s real.
Is the rocket bike a mockup or real power?
A friend converted his to a jet turbine.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

It’s fake, though the exhaust (stainless cocktail mixer) has the tail light in it and the nose cone (chainlink fence post capital) comes off to reveal the headlight (’06 Mazda3 projector with a 27W LED bulb). It started as a joke on a custom bike website when a bunch of old dudes were complaining about heavyweight and middleweight cruiser survivors being mostly step through frames and how they’d never ride a girl’s bike. Rolling my eyes, I thought, how can I mock these guys by making a step through phallic without being gross? Sketched out a mixte with a rocket for a top tube and saddle set in the fuselage. When the next build contest came up, I had my late mother’s bike, which nobody wanted, and thought, what if I built this? Hardest part was getting the suicide shifters to not ghost shift. I mostly solved it after a few changes, but the tight routing of the cables inside the fuselage (corrugated HDPE drain pipe) mean there’s a lot of internal friction, so I think close to perfect is as best as I can do. If I knew then what I know now, I’d have used a larger bike so it would fit me better and cardboard with fiberglass over it for the rocket body for space, smoothness, easier to paint, and it wouldn’t have needed internal structural reinforcement.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Sounds like fun!

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

Won’t get laid in a vehicle where the back seat fold down to make a bed?

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Donald Petersen
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Donald Petersen
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Multiple virginities were lost in the back of my ’78 Zephyr wagon. Only downside was the rugburned knees. Bring a soft quilt.

Josh Taylor
Josh Taylor
1 month ago

When his kids kill someone will he change his tune?

Normand Cote
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Normand Cote
1 month ago
Reply to  Josh Taylor

No.

But you already knew that.

Last edited 1 month ago by Normand Cote
Phil
Phil
1 month ago
Reply to  Josh Taylor

No, he’ll subconsciously feel vindicated and more of an Alpha who protects his spawn, and he’ll double down on his position. I don’t think I’m joking or exaggerating.

Bags
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Bags
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

They’ll do anything to protect their kids except vaccinate them

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

Around the time of 9/11, the popularity of the Hummer was taking off.

There were a number of studies, but the prevailing thought was in a time of fear (perhaps, more apt now of perceived fear) that having a large vehicle gave you a sense of safety which drove the popularity.

We’re in a world where every us-based news article is designed to make you afraid or mad at someone else.

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

In the business I am in, everyone is monitoring their houses 24/7. I only lock the front and side doors. If you need my stuff that bad, then just take it

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

When you come home, how do you know there aren’t violent intruders already inside?

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

I don’t. But how do they know if I’m armed or not?

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

They don’t care.
Smart people aren’t commiting robberies.
If there are twenty or thirty of them, as is common now, how many can you stop before you lose, or get prosecuted by an activist prosecutor who thinks you would make good political fodder?
The primary purpose of a security system is warning you if someone entered, or is still in the house.
Plus a good smoke detection system should be included.
Keep training. It matters against those more prepared to use violence.

ImissmyoldScout
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ImissmyoldScout
1 month ago

I am absolutely astounded. I want one, 4×4 with a manual transfer case.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

6 X 6 for me. What if I need to transport my 90 foot yacht one day… I NEED the towing capacity.

Maymar
Maymar
1 month ago

Hear me out – the Blastolene is the perfect car for young drivers.

It’s 9000lbs, so plenty of weight. The nose is so long, you’d need a taxi to get to the scene of an accident. And as a two-seater, it’d help minimize the number of distractionsfriends they can bring along.

Rust Collector
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Rust Collector
1 month ago
Reply to  Maymar

That’s the one with an upstairs flying bridge, if I recall. Love that.

Maymar
Maymar
1 month ago
Reply to  Rust Collector

I was thinking of Jay Leno’s big tank engined roadster,although they’ve got a few valid choices.

Pru L
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Pru L
1 month ago

Are we sure that you’re inventing a car for tenth graders? I feel like this is more of the ultimate mom van, perfect for taking the kids to sports practice.

That said, maybe the teenage driver will love to have this so that they can shuttle their fellow teens out to prom? Or to the beach!

FloridaNative
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FloridaNative
1 month ago
Reply to  Pru L

Umm, did you read the blog? This is for the rest of us to protect us from the teenagers driving Excursions.

Boulevard_Yachtsman
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Boulevard_Yachtsman
1 month ago

7 to 8.5 mpg? Not bad, I overheard my BIL awhile back lament that my sister’s heavy right foot was causing single-digit fuel economy in her Yukon Denali while on kid duty.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

My buddy’s wife seems to always to be in a race as to whether she can spend more on gas or brake pads in her Yukon. Completely digital driving style, hard on the gas or hard on the brakes, not much in-between around town.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Get her an Escalade Q or whatever the electric version is. Then it’ll be tires, but the gas savings should make up for it.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

I suspect the increase in capex would more than make up for any savings in opex.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Have to run the numbers to be sure. My EV is saving me a decent amount in fuel and maintenance compared to gas and I get a larger, more capable (that gets used regularly) vehicle out of the deal.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

You can buy a HELL of a lot of gas and brake pads (especially when you DIY, as he does) for what an electric Caddy costs compared to a paid-for Yukon. She doesn’t actually put that many miles on the thing (but they are HARD miles). And electricity in Maine costs a fortune, which eats into the savings of an EV there unless you have solar, which they don’t.

And you would need the EV to be able to tow a rather large boat occasionally, in this case.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Well, that definitely changes the equation.

Boulevard_Yachtsman
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Boulevard_Yachtsman
1 month ago

That’s pretty close to what my sister did – she upgraded to a Cadillac Vistiq and saves a small fortune on gasoline since most charging has been at home. Tires are roughly the same, as she was going through a set of those every 20,000 miles on the Yukon.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago

This reminded me of a guy I met once whose parents bought him a new (2012ish) JK Rubicon 4 door with aftermarket lift+tires, etc. as his first car. His older brother drove a similarly lifted F-150.

Anyway, one time his dad told us the “hilarious” story of when he let the older son drive his TopKick on 40’s. On an unlined road he “felt a little bump” but just kept going. Later on, a neighbor knocked on the door and said the kid had completely run over the front of his Corvette in the TopKick and just kept driving. The dad checked and there wasn’t even a scratch on the truck, and the kid hadn’t even noticed it was a car with a live human driver!! So funny, right?? Extreme property damage with the very real risk of major injury or death, and the kid wasn’t even aware! I can’t even catch my breath over how knee-slappingly hilarious that all is!

Anyway, don’t be an ass, and don’t have your kids drive giant death machines.

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

sadly funny story.

Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
1 month ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

If a full-sized sports car is a ‘little bump’ that can’t be bothered stopping for, how many pets and pedestrians do you think Bubba McIncest Jr has turned into road paste and not noticed?

I’m thinking seven.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

A Topkick is a big truck.
I’ve driven one.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
1 month ago

It’d be cheaper and more effective just to raise the legal driving age up to match the drinking age since both of those activities seem to coincide with teenagers anyway. Then they’re free to make all the bad choices they want.

Bleeder
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Bleeder
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Better yet, lower the drinking age to 16!

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Bleeder

Drinking at 16 and driving at 18

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago

yeah but can it tow?

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
1 month ago

Maybe a Unimog would be the way to go.

Vanagan
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Vanagan
1 month ago
Reply to  Burt Curry

Lol. Immediate teen response. “But dad…this thing is slow and I can’t hook my phone into the sound system”.

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Vanagan

…and they won’t let me use the starbucks drive-thru

Last edited 1 month ago by JJ
Data
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Data
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

The yutes don’t use drive thru’s. They DoorDash/UberEats/Gig economy everything for three times the price.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Data

Heck, they mostly don’t even drive. Of my circle of friends, only ONE kid got his license in high school, because his parents simply said “we are done being your chauffeur”.

Most of the rest either didn’t bother until into college, or just won’t – and why should they when the parents will just drive them where ever they want? And this is in suburban Maine where most of us were Jonesing to get our licenses at 16 40 years ago. I was an absolute aberration in that I didn’t get mine until early in my senior year, at 17. But I had my learner’s permit for almost two years before I took the test.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

2 years ago we had a 21 year old intern that did not have his license. His mom drove him to work.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

She probably sat in on his interview too. Sigh.

I got driven to work for a couple months. When I was 16 and didn’t have my license yet, to McDonald’s.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

We asked why he didn’t have a license and he just shrugged and said he had never needed one. Which I guess you don’t if your mom acts as your personal chauffeur.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

How does that work for dating?

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

I didn’t get the impression that he has every been on a date. That said, Uber / Lyft would work for dates.

There are people here in the city that don’t have cars because it is cheaper to use public transit or ride shares. Others share a car to cut down on costs.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

I’ve visited some of those cities and they aren’t common.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

About 15% of households here don’t have a car and they are concentrated on wealthier downtown neighborhoods

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

What city?
My last bus ride in a city took nine hours.
15 to 30 minutes by car.
By bus to the next major city 4-5 hours even with the bus being rerouted around a major crime scene.
But then in Nashville, the routes to suburbs are virtually non-existent, same as where I live now. Owning a car is a medical and logistical requirement here.
Phoenix has a startlingly good bus system
San Francisco has great bus and train service until 11 pm, then the world shuts down.
Friends wouldn’t let me take the obvious route without carrying a gun, considered too deadly.
The alternate safe route looked good until you hit a transfer where the buses don’t run. Next bus was next day.
Many people I know in NYC have cars, just keep them out of town.
Wien had excellent service.
Amsterdam good until dark thirty, then taxi only.
THAT was a ride!

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Portland, OR. We have 5 light rail lines, 3 street car lines, and a pretty good bus system. Amtrak runs on the west coast from Vancouver BC, to San Diego. Shuttle buses up to the ski areas in the winter time. And of course Lyft and Uber all hours for around town.

We also have a pretty good network of bike lanes and paths. While it gets wet here in the winter is doesn’t get that cold and very rarely snows.

On the other hand owning a car downtown is expensive above and beyond normal stuff like car payments, gas, maintenance, and insurance. Paying $300 per month to park a car in a condo or apartment garage is typical. Street parking is $3 an hour / 7 days a week*.

(*One of reasons my wife and I generally ride the train into town for a game, show, or concert instead of driving. Unlimited trains, streetcar, bus rides are $5.80 per day)

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Sounds good.
We actually have old ties to Eugene.
Is Portland surviving crime?

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Yes, we are doing fine. Even when we were making the national news for protest it was a couple blocks downtown.

Homeless situation is a lot better too vs a few years ago.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

It’s very, very weird!

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  Data

Yup, younger daughter who is now in college would order Mickey D’s from DoorDash. Its a 5 minute walk from my house. And she has her license. She did have a job at the time. Now in a new location.

Last edited 1 month ago by Howie
JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Vanagan

on the plus side, you can leave the APU running when you’re at school so it’ll always be the perfect temp in the cab.

Eggsalad
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Eggsalad
1 month ago

It looks like a 3:1 scale Kia Soul.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

Why stop at a semi? Get a tank! Demil the guns and use rubber block treads.

From Google: Under Oklahoma Statutes §47-1136.2, former military vehicles can be registered and driven on public roads specifically for exhibitions, parades, club activities, and functions of public interest, provided they are not used for regular transportation and an affidavit is filed.

CoastieLenn
CoastieLenn
1 month ago

My daughter is about to get her license. She’s getting one of these two options:
1) 2008 Volvo S60 2.5T AWD
2) 2011 Volvo S40 2.5i. (Only leaning more toward this for the turning radius.)

Her mom is leaning more toward VW Jettas, but after seeing some of the wrecks that some of the people that I used to help walk away from in their Volvo’s, I’m sold. I’ve only driven them since. One of my customers’ whole family was literally run over by a semi truck in their ’07 XC70. It ran up the hood, over the a-pillar, and came down about 1/2 way down the passenger door. Nothing more than slight scratches from broken windshield glass.

Last edited 1 month ago by CoastieLenn
Bram Oude Elberink
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Bram Oude Elberink
1 month ago
Reply to  CoastieLenn

I would reconsider the first option, in my mind it already has too much hp for new drivers. We have an V70 2.5T, manual and tuned (previous owner) to 235 hp. It is simply too eager when you touch the go pedal. My son just got his license, but he may not take this one on his own for at least a year. In hinsight I would have gotten us a non-turbo 20V, with the added bonus of hearing the 5 cylinders better.

Last edited 1 month ago by Bram Oude Elberink
CoastieLenn
CoastieLenn
1 month ago

They’re only 208 stock and the AWD is a bit hefty. I’ve let her drive my ‘15 T5 AWD (2.5L) and she’s nice and smooth with it. We’ll see. If Volvo made a P2 AWD NA S60, that’d be the move.

The Bishop's Brother
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The Bishop's Brother
1 month ago

How does the power-to-weight ratio compare to that Scotia Blue 245DL and its automatic transmission (likely with ubiquitous slipping bands)?

Eggsalad
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Eggsalad
1 month ago

Depends what year. The earlier 245 had a BW55, but the later ones had an AW55, which was better.

The Bishop's Brother
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The Bishop's Brother
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

I was pretty sure the one upon which I learned to drive had the AW55, but I recall it shifting rather oddly and The Bishop’s Dad complaining often that the “bands were slipping” and it was off to the shop.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

That is actually very unusual – the AW55 is about the most bulletproof autotragic transmission ever made. Especially when bolted to the feeble output of a n/a redblock Volvo.

The Bishop's Brother
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The Bishop's Brother
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Then I’m almost certainly wrong about which transmission it was. There’s a reason my Brother is the writer here, not me. Well, there’s several (he knows more on this front. He’s funnier, I could go on)

M SV
M SV
1 month ago

Looks like something the swedish military would order. So Chicago is logical same probably a more dangerous place then the anywhere the swedish military would find its self.

Church
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Church
1 month ago

Now that I see it, I’m a little surprised it isn’t for sale already. Maybe it’s that the styling isn’t “cool” enough for those rich enough to afford it? Can I see it in a different color? I’m thinking silver or black. I see a ton a Land Cruisers in my neighborhood that are a black or silver. I do appreciate the Volvo-style fart vent, btw.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 month ago
Reply to  Church

It needs a bull bar to be really attractive to that market segment.
(Shhh… Don’t tell them that they can get one and have it installed at the shops at most large truck stops…)

Dharbs
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Dharbs
1 month ago

Now can you make a pop-top camper version?

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Dharbs

He said “transport” plywood, not “build out of.”

Although, if we’re following the dumbness of the very original poster’s logic, an RV should be as safe as they come.

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

IIRC they don’t need to meet any crash standards. I’ve seen pics of what they look like after accidents. I think you’d be better off in a Smart.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

It depends on what you hit. Anything smaller and you will be just fine. Hit another semi, a bridge abutment, or roll the thing, and good luck.

I’ve told this story before, but it fits here – in grad school 30-odd years ago, I drove coach buses for the school as my part time job. Usually the sports teams to away games close enough that they didn’t fly, or to O’Hare for their flight. One day I was driving the football team home after a victory, in stop and go Chicagoland traffic. The team was partying, the music was bumping, and that bus was rocking. And suddenly my mirrors filled with a cloud of steam. I put the hazards on and got out to investigate, thinking I had blown the radiator or something. Nope, the steam cloud was from the Datsun that had embedded itself in the back bumper of the bus (put the tow hitch right through the radiator). Occupants were OK, banged up some. I literally did not feel a thing, 40ft ahead of the crash. 2000lb car vs. 40klb bus. Probably a good bit more than that with all those big Chicago boys on it. Total damage to the bus was some gouges in the thick rubber facing of the bumper. Didn’t even bend the hitch.

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