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I Went To Germany To Judge A Car I Helped Design – And One I Wish I Had Designed

Adrian Octa Twingo Ts1 Copy

Welcome, my American friends, to the beautiful game. I had a feeling that the USNMT had somewhat flattered to deceive in the group stages of the World Cup and would get absolutely creamed by the first half-decent team they faced. If you only started taking an interest in soccer a few weeks ago, don’t worry. There’s plenty of disappointment in store for you in future tournaments. As an England supporter, I should know.

Except ever since crashing out to Iceland in the first knockout game of the 2016 Euros, England have become surprisingly unshit at international tournaments. We made the final at the 2020 and 2024 Euros and lost a semi-final to Croatia in the 2022 World Cup. Footballing expectations are running at fever pitch in England at the moment – and as a World Cup enjoyer I have been savoring every match. Switzerland vs Algeria at 4am? Sign me the fuck up. England vs DR Congo in the round of 32? Brilliant. Glancing at my impeccably organized calendar, I noted with wry amusement that the match was taking place whilst I was in Germany. Never let it be said the universe doesn’t have a sense of humor. I’m not the most diplomatic person at the best of times, but asking a bunch of German hoteliers where the nearest big screen was so I could watch the England game with their team having been knocked out three days prior did elicit some sympathy from me. Haha, only joking, of course it didn’t – because I have a crystal-clear memory of England losing to Germany in the semi-final of Italia 90. When Harry Kane equalized against DR Congo, I cheered loudly while getting the skunk eye from every German in earshot.

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I didn’t travel to Germany with the sole purpose of winding the locals up

… that was a side benefit. I was actually there to drive some cars as part of the GT Test event which forms part of the German Car of the Year judging. The hotel on hosting duties had a duck race built into the pavement outside the entrance and one of those toilets with electronic controls. These were all labelled in German, and Apple translate was no help at all, but I managed to avoid pressing the button that released the tentacles. It was all a bit confusing, and before you ask, no, I was not drunk on complimentary beer. It was the result of a brutal 6 am flight departure that morning. One thing I was certain about was the cars I wanted to drive. The organizers had sent out a list prior to the event, and in a serendipitous piece of happenstance, these two cars represented polar opposite approaches to twenty-first century motoring.

Land Rover Defender Octa

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I first clapped eyes on the L663 Defender in 2017. That car fully occupied two years of my working life until its release in 2019, and [redacted], [redacted] and [redacted] versions of it for six months after that. Because JLR is a hugely dysfunctional and incredibly stingy company, I never actually got the chance to sample the fruits of my labor. A company in the business of building cars doesn’t actually let regular employees drive them. During the time I was at Land Rover, a friend I graduated with was working in the VW Future Studio in Berlin. I asked him if VW was the same and his reply was “we’ve got a cupboard full of keys and can book out whatever we want.”

As gamekeeper turned poacher, I went from creating to criticizing, and my appeals to the JLR media office for access to the press fleet were met with the usual “we’ve only got a small fleet and have to limit availability” bullshit, which translates to “go away, person we’ve never heard of.” I’d have more respect for them if they just told me to fuck off, to be honest. So the Defender and I have history. Whatever. I finally held the keys to a one, and no one was going to stop me.

Not just any Defender mind. This was the Octa, the most extreme version of an already extreme car. JLR’s Special Vehicle Operations have turned the standard Defender 110 into something more akin to an F150 Raptor without the open bed – no surprise there as former SVT Chief Engineer Jamal Hameedi crossed the pond to take up a position as director of SVO at Gaydon in 2018. But the Defender Octa is much, much more than a road-going Trophy Truck sporting dressage top hat and tails. Beyond some subtle badging and grille details, the most noticeable visual addition to the Octa over the standard car are the wheel arch extensions, which look to be tacked on over the existing bodywork. These are necessary because new bespoke wishbones poke the wheel and tire package out 68mm (2.5”) beyond the standard fender. This truck has stance. It also means that space is liberated under the arches for Land Rover’s super trick 6D suspension system.

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Purloined from the top-spec Range Rover Sport SV, this ingenious hydraulic semi-active system controls not only roll, but damping rates and crucially pitch on a millisecond basis. This allows the Octa to do away with anti-roll bars, allowing for an extra 100mm (3.9”) of axle articulation over the standard car. In an effort to please David, all the dimensions crucial for off-roading without cracking the sump open are increased: ground clearance is 323mm (12.5”), the departure angle is now 43 degrees and the wading depth a scarcely believable 1000mm (39”). Coupled with the usual Land Rover uppy-downy air suspension and comprehensive suite of off-road software, this is the most off-roady version of the British off-roader yet.
I’ve never driven off-road and have no intention of ever doing so. It’s bumpy, dusty, wet, dirty, or a horrifying combination of the above. There’s a high likelihood of getting stuck, and while awaiting rescue you have to subsist on something called fresh water, which doesn’t contain any alcohol. No thank you, I’m much happier on the road. Due to all that fancy suspension putting the laws of physics into a choke hold, the Octa is very good at that, too.

The V8 up front is no longer the venerable AJ V8 that’s been in service since Ford owned the company. BMW is getting the last laugh; under the hood now is the 4.4 twin turbo V8 found in the M5. This motor has already been in service in the L460 Range Rover and L461 Range Rover Sport, but this is its first starring role in the Defender. It makes a hilarious 626bhp and 553lb ft, and the 48v starter generator can shovel on an extra 27bhp worth of coals under load. So that’s 643bhp by the time the throttle hits the carpet, in a two and a half ton (5530lbs) SUV.

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I can’t say you don’t notice the lard, because at first you do. In the normal driving mode, the BMW motor takes a looooooong stab of the gas to wake up. The nose pitches skywards and then, then, it finally kicks off its heels, lifts its skirt and moves. You initially don’t think you’re really going that fast until you glance at the HUD and notice you’re suddenly doing nearly 160kph (100mph) on a narrow German rural road. Whoops. This ‘nothing is happening, oh bloody hell!’ feeling is not helped by the engine noise, which in normal driving mode is muffled like the bodies of several poor people are stuck under the hood.

A friend of mine has an Octa, and he regularly describes it as being like a high-riding 911 GT3. And he should know because he’s got one of those as well. You can switch between dune-leaping Octa mode and 911-frightening Dynamic mode with the push of a button on the steering wheel. Dynamic drops the suspension closer to the tarmac and puts it all in a straitjacket. None of this is especially novel, but what is amusing is the end result. The motor gets a bit more vocal and corners and bumps that were previously gently accepted and negotiated with are now just beaten into submission. There’s still a hint of that squat and dive, but it’s for effect, to let you know what’s going on. You can start punting this faintly ridiculous vehicle along at extremely ridiculous speeds, while still enjoying an extremely agreeable level of ride quality. The Octa still has a lot of suspension travel and a healthy sidewall height after all. At one point I put two wheels off the side of the tarmac and didn’t feel a thing; I only realized because I noticed an enormous cloud of dust I’d just kicked up behind me in the passenger mirror. Five seconds later it dawned on me this meant an extra few inches of road width to play with. It just feels completely unstoppable, which is probably what Land Rover were aiming for.

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It’s hard to compare the Octa to a regular Defender because I’ve not driven the standard car. What I can say is the characteristics that make the best Land Rover products so appealing are still evident. You may recall that years ago I had an L320 Range Rover Sport as a daily – and in some ways the Octa felt exactly like that with fifteen years more development. The same languid throttle pedal with its tiny step-off delay. The same feeling of being Lord or Lady of all you survey from behind the wheel. The sheer bloody usefulness and fuss-free practicality of the thing – the Octa is still a five-seat luxury SUV with chunky controls and lots of storage space. It would take more talented hands than mine and an afternoon in the desert to confirm it, but I have no doubt the Octa takes the off-road capability of the standard car and dials it way past eleven, in the same way it does on road. I just wish it presented itself more in that vein. I mean white leather and a matt blue exterior? Is this a Land Rover or a wellness destination?

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Truth be told, I was expecting the Octa to feel a bit more aggressive and I said as much to the PR guy when I gave the keys back. He informed me this was a deliberate choice because of where the car was pitched in the market. This ties into a thought I’ve been having since the reveal of the second Defender facelift last week. It’s a tragedy for me that since launch, Land Rover have slowly nudged the Defender further and further upmarket. It started off as a somewhat accessible SUV with a steel wheel option, a forty grand commercial version and a fuss-free industrial feel. It’s now morphed into yet another hyper-premium Land Rover product with muted colorways, coming within touching distance in price of the Range Rover proper and Range Rover Sport. My theory seems to be supported by the increasing number of murdered-out-spec Defenders I see around now. You can’t argue with the numbers; the Defender is their best-selling model, so why sell 100,000 units per annum at $60k when you can shift the same amount of metal at $100k? God knows the Land Rover side of the business needs to keep the Jaguar side of above water in the near term.

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Later on that afternoon the Octa returned to the hotel absolutely caked in mud – so it’s certainly a Defender that can rodeo. But with a list price of $160k it feels like the furthest it’s going is Rodeo Drive. Perhaps the mooted Dakar version will swap the yoga pants for cargo pants, but one thing is certain: you’ll be paying for the privilege.

Renault Twingo

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How do you turn a couple of car designers into a pair of grinning children? The answer isn’t to deposit them in a watch showroom or turn them loose in a poncey stationery store. Last summer at an industry gathering, Sam Livingston of Car Design Research (possibly the only person in professional car design as smart and waspish as me) and I spent twenty minutes ogling the details on a Whirlpool-white first-generation Renault Twingo that was in attendance. With its kawaii visage and supreme dedication to cost saving and rationality, the 1993 Twingo was a masterpiece of making the most with the least. A mini-monovolume designed by Patrick le Quement, it had a Fisher Price interior with a central instrument binnacle and multi-configurable seating that could increase cargo volume or fold-flat into a bed. Only available on mainland Europe in LHD, the original Twingo was a 1980 Fiat Panda with a sense of humor: designed to be something that appeals in spite of its purchase price, rather than because of it.

The second and third generation cars kept none of this fun and function combination, Renault making an inordinate effort into turning the Twingo into the lowest effort cheapoid Euro hatch possible. But to the surprise of absolutely no one after the success of the new 4 and 5 EVs, Renault have blown the dust of the back catalog again with a new Twingo EV. Sitting on the same Ampr Small platform as its numbered stablemates, the Twingo E-Tech (to give it its proper name) slots below the 5 as an EV city car with a sub-£20k price point.

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Relentlessly mining your heritage can be a bit shameless, but today’s market is crying out for small, efficient, thoughtfully designed and priced cars with character, much like it was thirty years ago. The forthcoming Geely E2 city EV might be RWD, but who gives a wobbling toss when the car itself is a commodity good with the personality of a toaster. The Twingo E-Tech is the Eiffel Tower opening up to reveal a giant missile in a silo, aimed squarely at the fleets of container ships full of cars like the Geely – proof in the metal of legacy OEMs putting their heritage and design skills to good use.
Like bumping into an ex and noticing holy shit, they’ve still got it, I’m immediately smitten by the Twingo’s looks. A couple of extra doors have appeared, and seeing as street parking in France involves making your own gap, the base-is-ace unpainted polypropylene bumpers front and rear have been replaced with body-colored items with rubber bump stops at each corner. With the off-center triple hood vents, four square stance and black paint, the Twingo is serving tens across the board. It’s just a joyful little thing to behold in the hotel parking lot.

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Inside, the post-modern cyan controls and retina-dazzling seat fabric have thankfully been consigned to the nineties history bin. In their place comes carpet from a Memphis furnishing showroom and a headliner with hieroglyphics stamped into it. There’s a small screen directly in front of the driver and a larger one in the middle, below which is a center console with an oddments tray and USB-C ports – although phone mirroring is wireless. The shapes are simple and the amount of furniture sparse, which helps the whole interior feel remarkably spacious and clutter-free. The plastics are hard, but it’s all very cohesive and solidly made. Haptic controls abound, and the Twingo uses the same credit card key Groupe Renault has been using across all its products for about the last two decades. If it works, it works but there’s something amusing about the same slab of plastic unlocking twenty grand’s worth of city hatch and sixty grand’s worth of Alpine mid-engined sports car. Further parts sharing includes the lipstick drive selector found on the 5 and the Alpine A290 hot version. Given all these cars are on the same platform, I imagine it’s on the Renault 4 as well, but Renault promised me a loan of one of those and then stopped answering my emails about it.

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You know how there are some grocery products you can buy in a concentrated size, giving you less net weight but a stronger product? The Twingo is exactly that – the Renault 5 in a smaller bottle but a bigger hit in most of the areas that matter. It might only have 82bhp, but it has over 200kg (440lbs) less French fancy to move, mostly down to the reduction in pack size to 27.5kWh from 52kWh in the 5 (and 4). The Twingo also bins the independent rear suspension for a simpler, cheaper twist-beam rear, which frees up interior space. One of the original Twingo’s innovations was its moveable rear bench, which slid backwards to increase rear legroom or forward to increase trunk space. Now it’s a split rear bench so the rear seats can perform this magic trick independently, which will be indispensable for young urbanites who have burdened themselves with a mewling ham that needs constant attention. Despite being some 250mm (9.8″) shorter than the 5, the Twingo is roomier in the back.

It rides and steers better than the 5 as well. The Twingo has that languid loping ride quality all the best French cars have. It dismisses bumps with a haughty Gallic shrug, whatever lean or slip angles are currently in operation. Helped by skinnier tires and a trimmer waistband, the Twingo can be chucked into a corner and the throttle nailed with cheerful abandon – because it’s all happening at sensible speeds. More than once I had the front end chirping away happily with the thing keeled over, without ever feeling I was about to have the sort of tankslapper that would see me becoming familiar with German hospital food. The little Twingo just laps up this sort of silliness. Then, once you’ve finished pissing about, it becomes the perfect urban errand runner – quiet, clean, easy to position and navigate through confusing German junctions, and just plain stylish.

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That the Twingo is so capable in and out of town is something of a double-edged sword. The Twingo might be labelled as an urban EV, but who really exclusively drives at low speed in town? Even my own commute consists of five or six miles of 70mph road into Coventry. Because I was in Germany, the display units were set to kilometers, so the efficiency was displayed as km per 100km. What the fuck that even means I don’t know. Renault UK says the Twingo will do 5.1 miles per kW, which for the pack size means a max range of 140 miles, a fair distance short of the claimed maximum of 163 miles. To achieve that figure would require a frankly unbelievable 5.9 miles per kW. A number closer to 120 miles seems more likely in real-world use, and rightly or wrongly this will put customers off. The Twingo has a cheaper Lithium-iron-phosphate chemistry, so it can only charge at 50khW. Although half an hour of that will get you to 80%, you’re going to need the full 100%, which will add on hours. It’s not just about how far you can go; it’s about how often you need to charge up, and if you can’t do it at home or work, a three-hour charging pit stop is enough to bugger up anyone’s week.

Twingo6

When the Renault 5 hit the market last year, it felt like the moment the small, genuinely usable small EV had finally arrived. With its 250-ish range and £25k-ish ($33k) price point, it solved the price and range conundrum in a satisfying manner. Despite being a more appealing car in a lot of ways, sacrificing the battery chemistry, pack size and associated liquid cooling systems to get the Twingo under twenty grand feels like a compromise too far. There’s only 50mm (2”) difference in wheelbase between the two cars so the bigger battery should fit.

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That might mean another grand or two on the list price, but a Twingo at £22k ($30k) with 250 miles of range would be perfect. Nudge the 5 slightly up in price and give that car any drivetrain updates first to help maintain model separation. There. All sorted. Renault, you can have that bit of product planning on me. If only you answered my emails.

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Scott
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Scott
1 month ago

New Defenders in various flavors are somewhat popular in my neck of the woods, though I assume most are leased and none actually go off-road. They look nice and occupy that useful middle-ground size-wise, but I wouldn’t actually own one even if I had Elon and Jeff’s disposable incomes combined. JMHO… I guess all the $1,500. ‘unfixable’ Range Rovers with sagging air suspensions I’ve encountered have irreversibly scarred me.

The blue is quite lovely though. 🙂

The new Twingo EV is probably the single most desirable but-not-for-Americans car I can think of that I’d actually buy TODAY. Seriously: if it existed, I’d shave (for a change), put on pants, and drive over to Renault Hollywood (could you imagine?) with my checkbook (yes, I still have one) and get one THIS MORNING, probably in green since they don’t offer it in a blue. I just love that car because it’s enough, and it manages to be a-effin’-dorable at the same time.

PS: I’ve seen Japanese toilets with all the indeciperhable buttons. Which one exactly deploys the tentacles? Asking for a friend. 😉

Thanks Adrian! 😀

Last edited 1 month ago by Scott
Jay Mcleod
Jay Mcleod
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott

Has any new Defender gone off road?

Asking for a friend.

Scott
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Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Jay Mcleod

Outside of marketing, reviews, and social media/content warriors, I’d seriously doubt it more than 1% ever do. In my area, it’s 0%.

Last edited 1 month ago by Scott
Jay Mcleod
Jay Mcleod
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott

Do puddles in the Erewhon parking lot count as off road?

Scott
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Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Jay Mcleod

Perhaps. 😉 But Disco owners probably shop at Whole Foods, whereas the Erewhon parking lot is filled with G-Wagens and new Range Rovers.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago
Reply to  Jay Mcleod

Yes, and it’s still there…ha ha

“If you want to go into the wilderness, take a Land Rover. If you want to make it back, take a Land Cruiser”

Bearcat, not Blackhawk
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Bearcat, not Blackhawk
1 month ago

Twingo would be great for my second vehicle, but

Despite being some 250mm (5’) shorter than the 5, the Twingo is roomier in the back.

250 mm is 9.8″, not 5 feet. Fun to imagine a car 5 feet shorter than a Twingo

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

It’s like the opposite of the Spinal Tap Stonehenge prop.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I think the problem would be that the Twingo might be in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.

Making a big thing out of it is what Land Rover did.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

“Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea!”
Ha ha

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago

I 100% agree with your final thoughts on the Twingo.

No matter how “urban” your EV is, a 27.5 kwh battery in 2026 just isn’t acceptable.

Joregon
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Joregon
1 month ago
Reply to  Ppnw

Remember, this is a car that starts at €16,500 before taxes.

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago
Reply to  Joregon

Yes, and to Adrian’s point, if it was $19,500 with a decent battery, it would be better value.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

Although half an hour of that will get you to 80%, you’re going to need the full 100%, which will add on hours…..”

This is why people with EVs don’t charge to 100% if they are looking to make time on a trip. You can get two 10 – 70% charges in the time it take to wait for that last 20%

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Which is why a bigger battery helps here too. With the Twingo, you’re already looking at only 140 miles for the entire battery.

You’re suggesting the most efficient way to use this car (and any EV) is to only use 60% of its capacity (10-70%) on road trips. You’re now stopping every 80ish miles.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Ppnw

The reality is that the Twingo isn’t a road trip car. It is a city car.

However, yes it would be much faster to stop every 80ish miles for 30 minutes than wait 2 hours to get 140 miles. Trip planning software shows drivers where to stop to charge and what level to charge to.

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Of course, and I agree it’s optimal to use the charge curve to your advantage in any vehicle.

I was more agreeing with Adrian’s point that a couple thousand euros in exchange for a reasonable amount of more range would make this car much more useable – a “city car +” if you will.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Ppnw

I think the main issue is finding the volume required to increase battery size not the cost. All of these tiny city cars have short range to match.

City cars have their place. A 82 mile range Spark EV worked fine for me for 3 years.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Ppnw

Renault sells the Renault 5 EV with 193 miles of range. They’d rather you buy that than some theoretical long range Twingo.

Undecided profile name
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Undecided profile name
1 month ago

Typo alert: 1000 mm is not 25 inches

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago

I scrolled down just to see if someone saw that lol.

Seems like maybe he did the conversion wrong in his head since 1 inch = 25.4 mm. That sounds sort of like 1 m = 25.4 inches.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Despite being some 250mm (5’) shorter than the 5

This one, too, both in number and notation. 250mm is close to 10″, and inches are denoted by ” while ‘ typically denotes feet.

Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
1 month ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Stupid Burmese units.

PlatinumZJ
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PlatinumZJ
1 month ago

I would never have thought that Goth Uncle Adrian would get behind the wheel of a Twingo. The thing is just so cute and cheerful! The interior details are neat.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

At least they had you in mind when they picked the color of that test car.

ClutchAbuse
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ClutchAbuse
1 month ago

Glad to see you’re back!

I wish we had these cheaper electrics here in the states. Our 2024 ID4 is a great city car with just enough range to handle short day trips to the surrounding areas. It’s too expensive though. It could easily lose a lot of it’s neato features that are used once and then completely forgotten about to help with that. I’m talking about the self parking feature that mostly works but is such a pain to use why would anyone bother? And the massager seats that frankly, suck.

The only reason we have it in the first place is that VW had incredible lease deals on these when we were looking to get rid of our KIA K5.

Last edited 1 month ago by ClutchAbuse
MrLM002
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MrLM002
1 month ago

Ew, the only good thing about the Land Rover Pretender is the optional front middle seat.

LMCorvairFan
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LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

Managed to completely avoid anything about fifa and World Cup this year. Who won?

Why can’t we have nice things? The Defender sounds great but is way to speedy for my reduced budget. The Twingo I’d love, but they don’t sell it here.

Good to read another Adrian piece. The world has been too depressing lately and this made me smile a lot!

My 0.02 Cents
My 0.02 Cents
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I’m still bitter about the ‘Hand of God’, even back then the ref’s were on the Argie team.
Glad Spain won!
Signed a fellow Brit living in the US of A

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

I do kind of wonder if the RR can adequately make it into the G wagon territory it seems to want to be in. I don’t know that I will likely ever get the hard core concrete princesses, but I suppose if they made a reliable one with sort of simple to fix ride control systems, then I might look for one in 5 years when these “new” units are fully depreciated.

Beer-light Guidance
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Beer-light Guidance
1 month ago

Who knew that under that brusque goth exterior Adrian is just a lad at heart?

Jmfecon
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Jmfecon
1 month ago

As a brazilian, I share with english people much of the dislike for Argentina and Germany in soccer, so I really understand your joy.

Also, really wanted that England had played in another way against Argentina, but that led to the 3rd place match that happened to be the most exciting of the world cup in my opinion.

England deserved more, no easy feat doing what they did with France. I really think an England x Spain would have made the final way more interesting.

I really like this new Twingo, it just feels like the one, a car I really enjoyed but never had the opportunity to own.

The Defender is interesting, I mean, now it is just a Discover for someone who wants to look cool and have deep pockets, not even close of a shadow of the original name holder, but I can’t deny that I would own one if they were not so expensive.

At least here they are cheaper than a Range Rover, but still quite expensive.

Banana Stand Money
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Banana Stand Money
1 month ago

Our favorite goth uncle has returned. Welcome back sir!

Last edited 1 month ago by Banana Stand Money
Delta_Arturo
Delta_Arturo
1 month ago

We have missing him.

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
1 month ago
Reply to  Delta_Arturo

I’m see what you did there.

I Farted So Hard it Hurts
I Farted So Hard it Hurts
1 month ago

The Twingo IMHO shows how you can make what in most cases would be a perfectly acceptable and car and give it some real character. Those head and tail lights are pretty great.

As far as LR… I don’t get their direction. They make attractive looking products and the one you worked on looks pretty great. But jesus they’re such big pieces of shit. I’ve never met anyone who had one of these that had anything other than lots and lots of problems with them. I’m in California but one of the folks up the street a few blocks has a few and the courtesy dealer LR’s are in the driveway more than the ones he owns. And this is almost a “Legacy” problem with this brand as they’ve been at or near the bottom of the reliability charts for decades. Why can’t they just spend a little more time working out the bugs and shit before getting the models out? Because they don’t have a very good reputation but if they did, well maybe they would sell more.

I Farted So Hard it Hurts
I Farted So Hard it Hurts
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Its pretty ironic that the older ones that had some sort of ancient derived engine was more reliable. Its all the other shit they added to these things like the self-leveling ride systems that fail with great regularity. That’s why even gently used ones are really cheap. Once the warranty is up you’re SOL.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago

I think ot was the Aussies who first said “a Land Rover will get you anywhere you could conceiveably want to go. A Toyota will get you home.

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
1 month ago

I have decided to take up a life of crime,rather than that of semi-retired writer and professor(of macro-economics and philosophy). I got to have go with a big grown up Range Rover.A presser so loaded that the world bank would question the price. My back garden is hysterically big, also historically oversized. My sisters son was staying(he is 14,do not ask) and he expressed a desire to visit a model railway thing in Manchester.
He planned the route. The back garden is not small(I might have mentioned this), and the plan was to open the gate and follow the track, 18 miles of finding a path through high moorland bog, to find a lane that would somehow join a road which would lead to the M6. The car did not miss a beat. And to add joy, the young man chose the music.

Vaughn Williams for the 6am climb, Mendelssohn over the top, AC/DC down the motorway and, into Manchester an extraordinary mix of every band I can think of.

The first bit of route planning involved finding ancient maps showing Roman roads, cartways to villages that do not exist and mad 14 year old thought, I once got a Unimog stuck up there! So,if it is a so, full on Range Rovers are amazingly brilliant bits of kit.
So are 14 year old boys who have been diagnosed as awkward.And expelled from school.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

With that taste in music surely there’s an arts magnet school…

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
1 month ago

>>and one of those toilets with electronic controls. These were all labelled in German, and Apple translate was no help at all, but I managed to avoid pressing the button that released the tentacles.

That button only exists on the *Japanese* toilets

Last edited 1 month ago by Cayde-6
Rod Millington
Rod Millington
1 month ago
Reply to  Cayde-6

I can revise the joke but it’s most definitely too dark.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 month ago

I wish Renault sold cars in America again, because the 5 genuinely appeals to me and the Twingo is adorable

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

I absolutely dislike so much about the Defender.
Perhaps a lot stems from the irrational idea that it makes me pine for the Honda Element, or my time in JLR of the blatant stupidity of design decisions made there in the name of people just saving face, or picking a fight – or both.

But the Twingo is gold. By people with a sense of fun, joy, and happiness. It’s portraying everything the JLR isn’t.

Dave Larkman
Dave Larkman
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

I worked for/with JLR on a project, and they just flatly refused to consider any solution that wasn’t the first thing they thought of, even if it didn’t fit in the car.

It’s amazing they manage to build cars at all, which, of course, Jaguar haven’t been doing recently.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave Larkman

Terrifyingly, I’d rather work with JLR than with GM or Stellantis. And it’s not even close.

Dave Larkman
Dave Larkman
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

I was on a GM project once and the part of GM I was working for was completely surprised when another part of GM replaced the car we were working on six months into the project, so we had to start again.

Pater Corpus
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Pater Corpus
1 month ago

I have an LR4 with the NA AJ V8 and it is a joy to stomp on despite the harrowing clunks and donks the engine produces. It’s also a dogmobile, beach wagon, and mountain bike transport so I can’t imagine using the Octa in the same context. White leather sure is a choice here.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  Pater Corpus

LR4 is a bit of a tank; it’s BOF with Unibody in-one. It weights an absolute staggering amount.

Pater Corpus
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Pater Corpus
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

And has the mpg to prove it
*crying premium tears*

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago

Excellent read as always. When do we get a look at the Capri? My first car was a 74 with a 2.6 v6 from a 73. Had headers and a Monza exhaust. Shouldn’t have sold that car

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I am eagerly awaiting

Ferdinand
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Ferdinand
1 month ago

The Twingo floormats are top notch.

That Guy with the Sunbird
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That Guy with the Sunbird
1 month ago

The design of the new Twingo is “chef’s kiss” to me. I just love it!

Bob Rolke
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Bob Rolke
1 month ago

Welcome back Adrian. You have been missed.

Bob Rolke
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Bob Rolke
1 month ago

The article title needs an edit. “I’M” Unless thats a Britishism I am not familiar with.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob Rolke

Back off, man! He’s not judging a grammar competition! 🙂

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
1 month ago

Funny they’re so stingy on their home continent when they’re tossing them around so often in the US that they can’t keep track of the license plates…

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago

Yes, it’s Flocked up.

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