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It’s Time To Define What A ‘Sports Car’ Is And Isn’t Once And For All

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It has come to my attention, primarily via repeated requests from law enforcement officials and clergypersons, that we make an effort to define what a “sports car” is as definitively as possible. There’s just been too many fights, too many families torn asunder because of a collective inability to agree on an acceptable taxonomy of this category of automobile. They’re right. For far too long we’ve been talking about this very important category of car in the most vague and confusing terms, and we need to solve this problem.

I think most people, even people not particularly interested in cars (fools whom I, with Mr.T-like compassion, pity), have some image that pops into their head when they think of the general category of “sports car.” It’s usually something fast, loud, sleek, and often, red. And while all of those can be properties of what we’d consider a sports car, the truth is a lot more nuanced.

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Just in case you don’t believe this is a grave issue threatening the foundations of our society, allow me to direct you to this clip from the long-running animated show Family Guy that I happened to see somewhere online and got me thinking about this issue:

Now, this clip, a bit of well-known popular media that has been shared countless times, does manage to encapsulate the basic issue: people seem to have very different ideas of what a “sports car” is. For the record, I think Peter is completely wrong here; a Miata is a sports car, and I’ll outline why soon. I mean, Peter’s an idiot, but we all knew that.

With that in mind, let’s try to get some clarity here. We’ll start with the broad strokes:

An Overarching Definition of a Sports Car

A “sports car” is an automobile designed and intended to provide an engaging on-road driving experience while performing duties of general transportation. A sports car has two-doors and no rear seat, or at most a minimal/occasional back seat. Any drivetrain layout (front, mid, rear, RWD, FWD, AWD, transverse, longitudinal, etc) is acceptable for all sports car subcategories unless otherwise noted.

Overall speed is not necessarily a requirement, but the car must have as its primary purpose to be engaging and pleasurable to drive via some combination of its design and engineering. The type of drivetrain is not relevant, nor is the power source (electric, gasoline, steam, whatever is fine) but the car’s intent must be one that centers the joys of driving for its own sake.

I think that covers the essence of why sports cars exist. They’re not about fast, necessarily, but they are about fun.

That said, there are a number of sub-categories of sports car, and I think the differences in these sub-categories are what have caused the most confusion for people, who are quick to assume that one category defines the entire genre. This is not so. Everything that follows is a type of sports car:

Sc Fundamental

Fundamental:

These are sort of the closest to the platonic ideal of a sports car that most people conjure up when they hear the words. These are, like all sports cars, two-door cars, primarily two-seaters, usually hardtops (but can have a convertible version), may have any engine location, and their size varies, but they’re not too small. They have dramatic styling, usually of a traditional sports car look, sleek and low and with a long hood and a short rear deck. Practicality is not a significant concern, but these can be daily driven without too many compromises.

Examples: Jaguar E-Type, Corvette, Audi TT, Datsun Z, Porsche 911/356/928, Acura NSX, Ferrari 328 GTS, Lotus Esprit

 

Sc Roadster

Roadster:

Perhaps the first true category of sports car. Quite small, open-topped (though fixed-roof variants can fit in), power is less important than the overall handling and driving experience, which leverages the small size and light weight to create a very visceral and connected experience. Sometimes the power can be comically low, like how a Bugeye Sprite makes only 43 horsepower.

Examples: 1898 Bollée, Mazda Miata, Toyota MR-2, Porsche Boxster, Speedster, 914, MGB, Austin-Healey Sprite/3000, Triumph Spitfire/TR series, Crosley Hot Shot

 

Sc Hothatch

Hot Hatch/Hot Mods:

Cars that started as some other category (economy hatchback, family car, etc) or were designed with more practicality/utility but have upgraded performance and a driving enjoyment focus. These are the only category that did not start as a sports car from the initial design stage.

Examples: VW Golf GTI, Dodge Omni GLH, VW Scirocco, Renault R5 Turbo, Hyundai Veloster, Mini Cooper, Chevy Corvair Monza

Sc Musclecar

Muscle Car/Pony Car:

I know some groups make distinctions between Pony and Muscle cars, but I think they’re part of the same basic category. The main focus is on power, large engines (especially V8s but not exclusively), lots of noise and drama, straight-line performance over handling. Almost always RWD, at home peeling out of a Dairy Queen parking lot.

Examples: Camaro, Firebird, Corvette, AMC AMX, GTO, Mustang, Plymouth Barracuda, Dodge Challenger, Ford Falcon (Aussie)

Sc Gtcar

GT Car (with a Shooting Brake sub-subcategory):

These are fast cars designed primarily for long, high-speed cruising. A GT car is more comfortable and well-appointed than an average sports car, has an actually usable back seat, decent cargo-holding ability, and this category includes Shooting Brakes, those two-door sporty-intended station wagons.

Examples: Jensen Interceptor, Citroën SM, Aston Martin DB series, Buick GNX, Reliant Scimitar GTE, Facel-Vega, Nissan GTR

Sc Supercar

Supercar:

These are the flashiest prima donnas of the sports car world, and, ironically, are probably the least likely to actually be driven. They have exotic engineering, dramatic styling, are wildly expensive, attention-grabbing, and generally have ridiculous doors that prioritize drama over usability. High power, high status, high visibility, and the lowest day-to-day usability of any sports car.

Examples: Ford GT, most Lamborghinis, most Ferraris, Pagonis, Spykers, Aston Martin Vanquish

Close, But Not Quite

Sporty Car:

That “y” is doing a lot of work here. Sporty cars have much of the look and feel of a sports car, but without the engineering to make them perform in genuine sports car ways. The best-known example of these Sporty Cars may be the Volkswagen Karmann-Ghia; it looked like a sleek little sports car, but was just a Beetle under the skin, which VW played up in ads:

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Really, that ad sums this category up pretty well. And it’s not a bad thing! These cars can be delightful and appreciated! They can also be modified to become true sports cars with aftermarket parts or modifications, so I think there is some class mobility possible here.

Examples: Toyota Paseo, VW Eos, VW Karmann-Ghia, Toyota Sera, Nissan Figaro, Mercury Capri (later one), Triumph Stag, Chevy Monza

Track car/Actual Racing car

Because their primary purpose no longer includes basic transportation or on-public-road use, these are not in the sports car category. Once it has enough track-focused modifications (roll cage, stripped interior, race exhaust, etc) these cars become track-only beasts, and are a different category.

Personal Luxury Cars

I mostly included this one because I wasn’t quite sure what to do with Thunderbirds or Toronados and similar cars. They’re not quite driving-pleasure-focused enough to be GT cars, but that’s what they’re closest to, I think. The focus of these cars seems to be comfort and style, so that keeps them out of the sports car category.

Sports Sedans

If it has four doors, I think it needs to be something other than a sports car. So while all those BMW M5s or those Mercedes-Benz AMG C-Class sedans may be as fast and fun to drive and capable as any actual sports car, I think part of the core essence of a sports car is just two doors at most, so these Sports Sedans should be in their own separate category.

Would you like these categories on a chart? I hope so, because I made one:

Sportscar Chart

There! I’m glad we got all that sorted out. I’m sure there are plenty of you out there with different ideas and thoughts on this, and legally I have to leave automotive taxonomies open for public debate for three years before it gets codified into officialdom and carved into marble tablets that will be stored at the Smithsonian, so now’s your time to talk! Have at it!

 

 

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V10omous
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V10omous
1 month ago

I don’t think anything substantially based on something non-sporty can be made into a sports car; it has to be intrinsic.

No hot hatches, no sport trucks or SUVs, and arguably no ‘60s muscle cars with plebeian bones.

Rod Millington
Rod Millington
1 month ago

I believe it’s pronounced shports car in this context.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

Hot hatch.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago

I am stirring the pot and am saying that the 1983 – 1987 Dodge Charger (and Plymouth Turismo) should be slotted into the Hot Hatch section. While the Shelby editions might be comparable to a Camaro or Mustang , the volume sellers competed better against the VW Scirocco which is in this category. Plus it lines up with the Omni GLH.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago

When I bought my 1991 Geo Metro in 1995, one insurance company tried to charge me an exorbitant rate and said it was a sports car because it was a 2-door and had a 5-speed.

Once I explained to them that it had like 52 horsepower and it was a 3-cylinder, they agreed that it was not a sports car and adjusted my rate to something more affordable.

Last edited 1 month ago by Anonymous Person
Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

I had a ’93. Drove it like a sports car sometimes, but no, it was definitely not.

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
1 month ago

The Vauxhall C10 deserves more than a mention. It was sold latterly as the “Prince Henry”. It was a sporting car, it’s close relative, the 30/98 was possibly the first sports car. Able to travel at 100 mph while entertaining both driver and passengers but equally able to visit friends at home it set a very high bar indeed. The last one was built in 1915.
I think that the essence of sports car is the entertainment factor, my big Bentley is almost a sports car, it’ more GT though, getting up to date, I think that a well sorted TR 6 hits a sweet spot. Much as like the idea of TVR’s and the like, the enjoyment is often tempered by the not wanting to die thing.

Kurt B
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Kurt B
1 month ago

So my truck has two doors, no back seat, requires full attention while driving lest I need to use the aging brakes or dodge an incoming Durango so certainly engaging…

A 1966 Chevrolet C10 is a sports car

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

I think the definition of sportscar should include that it is (or was when manufactured) legal to drive on the street. This rules out race cars, side-by-sides, etc.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

Well, reading comprehension is not my stron suit this late in the evening. 🙂

Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
1 month ago

Hmm. No, I think ‘Sports Car’ is like taxi; it’s a statement of design intent and not taxonomy. That’s why it’s so hard to pin down by describing physical attributes.

DaFaRo
DaFaRo
1 month ago

What about two-door sport trucks? like the Ford Lightning, Dodge Ram SRT-10 and such.

TJ
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TJ
1 month ago
Reply to  DaFaRo

Methinks the answer is in the question: sports trucks. Not sports cars.

And now I’ve been thinking about this enough that the word “sports” is starting to look weird and is making me think of skorts and sporks and just doesn’t look like a real word anymore.

Widgetsltd
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Widgetsltd
1 month ago

The only category listed above that is REALLY a sportscar is the Roadster. The other categories are NOT sub-categories of the Sportscar. They are their own categories. For example, a Muscle Car is absolutely NOT a sportscar. Strictly speaking, a sportscar does not have a usable back seat, so the long-hood 911 pictured is a GT car. As much as I love hot hatches such as the GTI, they are NOT sportscars either.

Allen Lloyd
Allen Lloyd
1 month ago
Reply to  Widgetsltd

You had me until the no back seat comment. I think a nominal back seat can qualify. The 911 to me is the sportscar, any definition that excludes the 911 misses the mark for me. That said, my opinion changes for anything after 2004.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Torch, you are a glutton for punishment. But, I agree with you.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

So, is a dune buggy a sports car? Driving pleasure seems to be at the heart of it (or maybe fleeing sandworms). What about the Chrysler Sebring? Two doors, top drops, but I wouldn’t think sports car.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

No heater, no doors, no windows, not much cargo space, noisy, leaks water, and it might kill you if you push it hard enough? Of course it’s a sports car.

TJ
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TJ
1 month ago

Are dune buggy’s street legal? Maybe engaging driving “on roads/streets” needs to be specified, so no off road cars. The Sebring doesn’t strike me as a car designed for engaging driving.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago

I know, I get that it says it right in the name, yet I swear and still believe now I never thought of the GTR as a grand tourer. For top end GTs my mind goes Bentley right away, which is a very different type of car from a Japanese track scalpel that you can register for road use.

Reauxtide
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Reauxtide
1 month ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

I feel the same way. The Grand Tourer category gets messy quickly. Though when I think of a GT car my mind immediately goes to a Porsche 911, Mercedes AMG GT, or an Aston. Not the GTR

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago

I can agree with most of this, except a couple:

The Omni GLH violates your own overarching definition by ONLY coming as a 4 door. I don’t count small rear doors like the Veloster and RX-8.

I would never consider the Buick GNX a GT car, it’s more of a muscle car. GNs and GNXs were well known for beating up on Mustangs and Camaros on the streets when new.

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
1 month ago

My last car was an MGB. My current car is a ’73 TR6. These are both perfect sports cars for me. As far as cars go, these are the only two I’ve had since 1983.

MATTinMKE
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MATTinMKE
1 month ago
Reply to  Burt Curry

As a former TR6 & MGB owner, you sir, are my hero.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

I was with you right up until the muscle cars. Frankly if it can’t turn worth a damn, can’t navigate a winding road I don’t think it as enhancement of the driving experience. It’s like using a hammer to drive in a screw. But the rest I agree with.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

So is a Mazda RX8 a sports sedan or a sports car? It sort of has 4 usable doors and sort of fits 3 comfortably. (4 if one of them has no legs)

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 month ago

I take legs now, I give you fins in two weeks.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

The RZ8 is better, in fact it’s two better!

Reauxtide
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Reauxtide
1 month ago

I have to disagree on hard drawing the line at 2 doors. The e36 m3 coupe and 4 door are the same car. There is no reason to discriminate against doors

Droid
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Droid
1 month ago
Reply to  Reauxtide

another example of door-number-hegemony is some classic muscle cars like chevelles and coronets have 4-doors so must be excluded from the clade.
maybe muscle cars aren’t sports cars?

Maymar
Maymar
1 month ago
Reply to  Droid

I’m sure there’s a 1 of 1 Chevelle SS454 sedan or something, but 60’s and 70’s muscle cars were pretty much exclusively 2-doors, they just happened to be related to non-muscular 4-door variants. *Australian* muscle cars on the other hand, were very frequently sedans and as per Torch, are on the table (see Aussie Falcon)

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Reauxtide

End doorscrimination!

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  Reauxtide

It’s okay, neither are sports cars.

RallyMech
RallyMech
1 month ago
Reply to  Reauxtide

I’d argue the M cars are hopped up normal cars, thus not a sports car. Racing pedigree alone does not a sports car make, especially since you can race anything if you can get a dozen other people to agree.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the E36 M3/4/5 cars, and have a Z3 M Roadster. I’d argue all Z3’s are sportscars, by function of being 2 door, 2 seat, roadsters. Conversely, the E36 is a normal 2+2 Coupe, Sedan, or Wagon.

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
1 month ago

Hot hatches fall in the same category as sorts sedans for me. They are sporty versions of something intended for a completely different purpose.

That said, I think a two Jeep CJ/wrangler would be a sports car by the basic definition. The 4-door wranglers are sports cars that were morphed into sedans.

TheBadGiftOfTheDog
TheBadGiftOfTheDog
1 month ago
Reply to  Fire Ball

Yeah. That definition also includes my 78 Bronco. Its even fun to drive around … Until it’s time to fill the tank again.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

On the spectrum of car types the roadster must be the purest form of sports car since they’re not much good for anything else.

Also, not seeing the four doors sports car on the list. Where’s the Maxima? And the Altima wants a word.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cheap Bastard
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

They’re good for commuting.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

If you like being rained on, sure. The other types of sports cars on this list are better choices for commuting.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cheap Bastard
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Most have folding roofs these days.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Those aren’t really roadsters though.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Miatas, Boxsters, MGBs, TR 6, 7 and 8 and such aren’t roadsters?

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Technically yes. As are apparently bicycles and horses:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/roadster

But as the former owner of a TR-3 I draw a different line where the cutoff between “convertible” and “roadster”. If anything I’d say the Jeep wrangler is more roadster than a Miata.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Explain please? What is a roadster? In the 70s Jensen Healey had a two seater convertible model called the roadster it looked more Miata than Jeep. While I love the old Wrangler I say it isn’t a Sports car despite Jasons incorrect definition. It is a convertible short bed truck. I mean it flips over at 20mph hardly the definition of spirited driving fun.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

Per my defintion if you have to bolt on upper half of the doors when it starts raining its at least in part a roadster.

“It is a convertible short bed truck. I mean it flips over at 20mph hardly the definition of spirited driving fun.”

So lower it and you’ve got a roadster:

https://barrettjacksoncdn.azureedge.net/staging/Content/Pages/InventoryDetails/174763.html

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Nope they only have 2 front seats and space to carry material without being limited by a roof. Per Fridays column they are pickup trucks.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Okay I agree but there has to be a joke with Maxima and Altima and Commuting a prison sentence, and something about being Dull witted.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Also, “4 Door Sports Car” is a marketing oxymoron.
It’s just a sports sedan.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

But nowadays they call 4 doors a coupe. Frankly a 4 door is as close to a coupe as a toupee is to a head of real hair..

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Disagree. A sedan is still a car, so a sports sedan is a sports car.

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Back in its heyday the Maxima was so much more and lived up to the badge(1990 to 2003 were the best ones).
Depending on the trim level (SE in particular) you could get it with a 5-speed(later 6-speed) manual and a helical LSD. However,installing a Quaife ATB LSD was a popular upgrade for them.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Marques Dean

Yeah – I know.
I drove them and sold them for a short time at the old San Francisco Autocenter in 1993 – which was my first job after moving to SF.

Still not a sports car.

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Same here,albeit in Chicagoland.
But it still had the soul of one,a lot more than some cars of the time or since.

Luvmeadeadpedal
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Luvmeadeadpedal
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

But it said right on the window sticker 4DSC (four door sports car). I agree but the manual versions were enjoyable to drive.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

And Red Bull gives you wings…
…so why can’t more people fly to work?

Porschebago
Porschebago
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Also, not seeing the four doors sports car on the list. Where’s the Maxima? And the Altima wants a word.

No. Get out.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Porschebago

Pretty sure your average Altima is driven a lot more like a sports car than your average Lamborghini or Ferrari.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I once carried a lemon tree home in my Mercedes-Benz CLK Convertible – and another time a small dresser.

Is it a truck now?

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Yes, by definition:

Truck (American )

Any of various forms of vehicle for carrying goods and materials, usually consisting of a single self-propelled unit but also often composed of a trailer vehicle hauled by a tractor unit.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/truck

Porschebago
Porschebago
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I will agree with you on that point.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I guess you didn’t see the Top Gear episode where Jeremy fit a grandfather clock in a Jensen Healey, or Hammond a Garden Arch in a TVR. In fact convertible sports cars fit Fridays definition of a pick up truck. So what is the world’s most versatile vehicle? A 2 seater British sports car. Okay add the Miata too. For those who say Miata is always the answer remember they are just a modern take of an MG.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Altima owners certainly think they have a sports car

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

Or they just want to believe.

But believing something is true or real – even repeating it over and over – doesn’t make it so.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

sadly topical

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

“It’s not a lie if you believe it”
-George Costanza

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Compared to what most Americans drive today the Altima might as well be a Ferrari.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago

In my typology of this (yes, I’ve thought about this before), Vettes have to be from the C5 era and up to qualify as pure sports cars. Previous gens sat at the intersection of pony car and muscle car, possibly with a very slight dash of sports car.

My alternative, graphical version of the complete set of performance cars has nodes for muscle, pony, sports, and exotic. Hot hatches for instance sit between pony and sports.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jack Trade
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Except First Gen Corvettes were not Pony/Muscle cars – they were Roadsters.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I also would not classify a C8 as a Pony/Muscle either. Hell the C8 ZR1X is a “poor mans” super car (I used quotations as it still cost like 200-250k) but holy hell is that fast and would destroy a lot of the super cars out there.

Last edited 1 month ago by Harvey Firebirdman
Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Totally. Just like how pre-s197 Mustangs were usually firmly pony cars, but the Boss 302 sits between pony and sports, and the Boss 429, between pony and muscle.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jack Trade
Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

No Mustang has ever been a sportscar.

TJ
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TJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

I always thought of Camaros and Firebirds/TransAms as sports cars. And the Mustang was Ford’s direct competitor for those, but still, it never seemed as much like a sports car.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  TJ

I see them as the Capri / Manta. They are sporty cars, but not sportscars.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Hard to believe you have thought about this and come to the wrong conclusion. I dare you to look at the first Vette and not call it a Sports car.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

idk man C4 was pretty serious bidness imho. The drivetrains are dated, but everything else? double wishbone, giant brakes, clamshell hood, IRS, etc. Sports car.Designed from the ground up to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

Fair enough! I was on the fence there, but you make a good point. It also brings up an interesting question about relativity – the C3s weren’t great, but compared to the rest of the domestic auto world at the time…

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

C3s were sports cars of their time period. Crude sure, but still purpose sporty cars.

No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
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No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

Whew. I didn’t want to go break the news to my C4.

Droid
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Droid
1 month ago

sport sedan is not on the chart.

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
1 month ago
Reply to  Droid

good catch

Last edited 1 month ago by MondialMatt
Droid
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Droid
1 month ago
Reply to  MondialMatt

i agree that’s the proposed category, but it’s not listed in the chart with the other close but not quite: ‘sporty cars, ‘personal luxury cars’ & ‘actual track/race cars’

Bosco
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Bosco
1 month ago
Reply to  Droid

also ‘any rental’

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Droid

Because of Sedan, keep it from being a real sports car

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 month ago

My old ’83 Toyota 4X4 truck was advertised as “the sports car of trucks” by Toyota USA back in the day.
It was light, compact, had a small wheelbase, two seats, and a stick. Unloaded, it was pretty peppy with that old 22R able to deliver decent torque low down in the rev range, and it sounded like a pissed off yard tractor when the secondary throttle valve opened up.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

MGD was labeled the Champagne of beers. Let’s not rely on the Marketing department for true definitions?

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 month ago

Are you ending on a question or a statement? It looks like a statement masquerading as a question. Let’s try not to rely on incorrect punctiation.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 month ago

Two things:

  1. A sports car is a car that is built to be use primarily for the joy of driving and shouldn’t be thought of as practical transportation first and foremost.
  2. Just to get ahead of this. Its SportS Utility Vehicle. SPORTS, not sport. It has nothing to do with sport as in sportscar, it’s sports as in Sportsman. i.e. those who derive pleasure from outdoor pursuits.
Minivanlife
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Minivanlife
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

Would a Jeep Wrangler meet meet your definition? If so, not sure it would work…

(and speaking from past ownership experience that, personally, it very much was not built for practical transportation)

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 month ago
Reply to  Minivanlife

There is no joy in driving a Wrangler. There is joy in where a Wrangler can take you, but no joy in the driving of said Wrangler.

Minivanlife
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Minivanlife
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

I bought mine mainly as a 4-door convertible for the family. It brought short bursts of joy from that between breakdowns. Your point is taken though, as it was excellent at beating the joy out of the experience

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 month ago
Reply to  Minivanlife

I keep trying to impress on my significant other that Wranglers are terrible to use as daily transportation. At least resale is strong because there’s always another sucker, er, buyer.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

There is fun because topless but no true joy.

Littlebag
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Littlebag
1 month ago
Reply to  Minivanlife

Offroadster

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Littlebag

I like that, why has this never been used before?

Littlebag
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Littlebag
1 month ago

I’m sure that’s where Jeepster came from

Joshua Mackay-Smith
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Joshua Mackay-Smith
1 month ago
Reply to  Minivanlife

Somebody or other (apparently not Enzo Ferrari, though it’s said to be him) called the Jeep America’s only true sports car.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Enzo? The tractor maker? What did he know?

Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  Minivanlife

I have heard it called, “The last American Roadster*” because it has a windshield you can fold down.

  • This was before the new Bronco came out.
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