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Mitsubishi President Says He Wants Mitsubishi To Be A Company That Can Produce Lancer Evos Again

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Hollywood has so blurred the line between nostalgia and creative torpor that I immediately recoil at the thought of a remake, even if many of them turn out to be fine. I would much rather someone create something new than try to do the nth bad reboot of Tron or whatever. I don’t feel that way about cars. I want all the old badges back, and I just want them to be on cars that aren’t terrible.

Mitsubishi keeps rebooting the Eclipse, and every reboot is somehow worse, or at least very different, than the car that came before it. It means that I don’t exactly trust Mitsubishi in its current state to bring back all the classics without ruining them. Thankfully, Mitsubishi also agrees that–Eclipse aside–it is not yet the company that has earned the right to reboot its most prized names. It wants to get there, and I want Mitsubishi to get there, too.

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The Morning Dump today is going to a journey across the globe to visit automakers in various states of building or rebuilding. Mitsubishi is definitely in a rebuilding mode, whereas Ferrari is still near the top of its game. The Luce, though, is a strange move, and the company is now out having to deny that it’s forcing people to buy the electric car. Rivian doesn’t need threats to sell its EVs, though a lawsuit alleges the company isn’t living up to its self-driving promises. BYD is about to make a big statement at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.

‘I Love Driving Cars’ Explained Mitsubishi President Keisuke Kishiura

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Photo: Mitsubishi

It’s hard to be a Japanese car exec when you’ve got to compete with Akio Toyoda, the former CEO and current Chairman of Toyota. Not only has he successfully led the company from beige-to-fun, he’s done it in a way that’s kept the company profitable while he goes on fun racing adventures. If you’re running a car company in Japan you have to prove you can compete on the bottom line and still cross the finish line first.

Mitsubishi held its general meeting for shareholders at the end of last week, and there were a lot of questions about what Mitsubishi means, and there were more specific questions for newly-minted President Keisuke Kishiura about his bonafides.

From Japanese news site Car Watch (translated), Kishiura-san had to prove himself worthy:

[H]e was asked questions with the management of competing companies in mind, such as Toyota Motor Chairman Akio Toyoda, who is also known by the nickname “Morizo” and has many fans, including, “Do you like cars and driving?” and “Do you have any plans to re-enter the WRC as a factory team?”

In response, President Kishiura said, “First of all, personally, I love driving cars. The first car I ever drove as a student wasn’t a Lancer Evolution, but a very old ‘Lancer Turbo,’ a manual transmission car with heavy steering. It was a rear-wheel-drive car, and I even drove it to ski resorts. I still love driving cars.”

That’s a good start. The brand, at least in the United States, doesn’t make anything particularly exciting, even if it makes cars that are probably better than you’d think. I wrote last year that I’d like Mitsubishi to get weird again, and a new Delica and Pajero (probably the Montero here) are first steps in that direction. The creation of a global truck platform for Nissan and Mitsubishi that’ll spawn a lot of vehicles for the United States is a good thing, and, according to this report, investors are excited.

Would that mean the return of other famous vehicles, like the company’s all-time most famous car? Also from the report:

During the Q&A session with shareholders who had come to the venue, following expressions of delight at the return of the Pajero, a request was made to “please also bring back models such as the Lancer Evolution, Diamante, and Galant.” In response, Chairman Kato said, “Thank you very much for your kind words about the return of the Pajero. We are all encouraged by your comments,” and the question of future product development was left to President Kishiura.

President Kishiura said, “Models such as the Lancer Evolution, Diamante, and Galant are very important cars for Mitsubishi Motors, and we consider them treasures. At this point, we do not have any concrete plans to introduce these cars again, but in order to meet everyone’s expectations, we would like to make our company one that can once again produce such cars in the future. I will be at the forefront of this effort, and I would be grateful for the support of our shareholders,” expressing his enthusiasm while avoiding making any definitive statements.

I appreciate this response. It would be cynical to just say “Yes, we’re bringing back all the favorites” without the ability to do so in a respectable way. Do you want a Lancer Evo that’s just a rebadged Nissan Sentra with a wing? Probably not. The company went through a rough few years, was absorbed into an alliance with Nissan and Renault as a way to save the company, and then has been caught up in the ongoing Mitsubishi-Honda-Foxconn-Nissan drama.

It has to move one piece at a time, and that piece sounds like it’ll be a Pajero/Montero.

Ferrari Says It Isn’t Making People Buy Luce EVs After Report It Was Making People Buy Ferrari EVs

Ferrari Luce Right Front Three Quarters
Photo: Ferrari

The Ferrari Luce is definitely a car you’ll be able to buy at some point, though I’m not sure it’s a car I’d actually like. Maybe I would? I doubt Ferrari is going to let me ever get to drive it. I’m open to it, which is more than I can say for certain customers. Last week, Bloomberg reported that Ferrari was doing the thing it always does, which is encourage them to buy certain entry-level models in order to get special cars, albeit with a little extra sauce:

Ferrari NV is using orders for its Luce electric car as a loyalty test for wealthy clients, signaling that support for the poorly received model may help preserve access to more desirable cars, people familiar with the matter said.

The message that purchasing the €550,000 ($636,000) Ferrari Luce is a stepping stone to other, exclusive models has been delivered across parts of Ferrari’s collector network, the people said, asking not to be identified for privacy reasons.

Because Ferrari always does this, and because the buyers are all anonymous, it’s a little hard to discern how different it is this time. There are also sales people for Ferrari all over the globe, so it’s possible this isn’t a directive from the mothership, just some ad-libbing.

Ferrari responded to the report, via Reuters, and the company’s Chief Marketing Officer Enrico Galliera says it isn’t exactly true:

“We would run the risk of creating negative ambassadors who would speak badly of the Luce and, after a few months, resell it,” Galliera said, according to an company spokesperson.

“That would destroy its market residual value, which is exactly what the luxury electric vehicle segment is suffering from today”.

What’s interesting about this is that Ferrari now reportedly locks its clients into contracts that won’t let them sell the car for a certain amount of time, so how would they resell it? The badmouthing part, too, is something that few Ferrari disciples would do lest they upset the powers in Maranello. I do think it’s possible that both the Bloomberg report could be correct in that some people are getting some pressure and that what Galliera says is also at least partially true in that Ferrari isn’t doing more than what it always does. It’s hard to know for sure.

Rivian Is Facing A Class Action Lawsuit Over Self-Driving Claims

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One of the first things that Jason wrote for this site is that SAE Level 3 Autonomy for cars is confusing garbage. I think time has proved him right, even four years later. It is confusing garbage and it’s extremely rare, as most people claim Level 2+++ or something similarly inane and manufactured instead of committing to Level 3. That may be why Rivian owners filed class action suite against the company, stating that they bought the cars assuming they’d eventually get a Level 3 system that never arrived.

Per TechCrunch, which first reported the lawsuit:

The lawsuit alleges Rivian falsely promised, over a five-year period and through a coordinated nationwide marketing campaign, that it would make its hands-free driver-assistance system — known as Driver+ — standard in every vehicle it builds. Among the appearances cited in the suit: Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe’s appearance at TechCrunch Disrupt 2022, where he reportedly made representations about the company’s autonomous driving ambitions.

“No software update — no matter how sophisticated — will enable its Gen 1 Vehicles to perform as advertised,” the complaint reads. “Rivian unquestionably knew that its Gen 1 Vehicles would never be capable of Level 3 autonomy or ‘true hands-free driving’ yet continued to tout the supposed capabilities of its vehicles to induce consumers to purchase them.”

Rivian declined to comment on the lawsuit, citing pending litigation.

That’s similar to what’s happened with Tesla with Elon Musk and the whole HW3 debacle. Silicon Valley companies overpromising and forcing people to buy the next thing isn’t unusual, but that’s a lot harder to get away with if you own an expensive car you’re hoping to resell one day.

BYD Is Going Hard At Goodwood

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Photo: Matt Hardigree

When I went to Goodwood a couple of years ago with The Autopian, I was surpised at how many Chinese automakers were there, though perhaps I shouldn’t have been. Brexit has made Britain one of the best places to sell Chinese cars, and it sounds like BYD is going to try to corner even more attention this year.

From a press release:

BYD Group, the world’s leading manufacturer of New Energy Vehicles (plug-in hybrid and fully electric), will bring no less than eight new car debuts to the Goodwood Festival of Speed 2026 – from global reveals to UK releases.

Taking centre stage at the event will be premium brand DENZA, with the Festival of Speed not only becoming the reveal platform for two cars globally and one on a European level, but also marking the brand’s official launch in the UK.

The event is no less important for BYD, with one of the smallest models on the stand also among the most significant for UK buyers. The DOLPHIN G DM-i will break into the supermini segment with its DM-i plug-in hybrid technology – unique in the segment – plus class-leading practicality and technology.

YANGWANG will also make its mark on this year’s Festival of Speed, with the U9 Xtreme – the world’s fastest production car – presented on UK soil for the first time. It will be joined by the awe-inspiring U8L, a four-seater luxury SUV which can also swim, plus the U7 executive saloon.

Maybe someone there should ask BYD’s press people if threatening to sue journalists is part of the company’s grand strategy for succeeding in the UK.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

It will not surprise anyone that I’ve been enjoying the new Olivia Rodrigo album, which is very much the “I listen to good music” album wherein a young artist shows off their taste by doing a bunch of songs that clearly reflect other artists. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn’t. Here it works very well. While a lot of the album is inspired by The Cure or The Beths, “My Way” is pure Metric in the best way.

The Big Question

What’s the best example of a brand bringing back a name successfully?

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BenCars
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BenCars
3 hours ago

Having owned two Mitsubishis, I have a soft spot for the brand. I do wish them well and hope they get back to their glory days once again.

Luxrage
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Luxrage
15 hours ago

I wonder what FWD Nissan platform they’ll use to revive the Lancer Evo as a middling commuter car with?

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
20 hours ago

Probably the Ford Bronco

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
21 hours ago

Do you want a Lancer Evo that’s just a rebadged Nissan Sentra with a wing? “

“That’s a great idea!!!”
-some middle manager at Mitsubishi

What’s the best example of a brand bringing back a name successfully?”

I think the LX-platform Dodge Charger and Challenger is a good example.

And the 1998 New Beetle is another good example.

Yung
Yung
13 hours ago

but is it okay if they really do real ‘Evolution’ treatment (tuned turbo engine and suspensions, 4WD, electric gizmo, aero) on that ‘Lancer’ even if it is based on Sentra?

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
3 hours ago
Reply to  Yung

Yeah but then watch them ruin it by using a variant of the unreliable variable compressing KR engine

1BigMitsubishiFamily
1BigMitsubishiFamily
5 hours ago

Don’t confuse Mitsubishi with Stellantis. Well, on second thought…

RallyMech
RallyMech
4 hours ago

Maybe a revival of DSM is exactly what they need right now? I doubt it, but who knows.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
22 hours ago

Nobody’s said it yet but the ’80s NUMMI iteration of the Chevy Nova which was aimed squarely at the same market that would’ve bought a 4 or 6 cylinder, 4 door Chevy II Nova 20 years before, a return to the original mission that had been sidetracked by the V8 option, musclecar era and the ’68 redesign’s emphasis on a long hood for no other reason than the Mustang had one and it was in style (and the Nova was stuck with it through 1979 long after it was out of style).

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
22 hours ago

I could mine the deepest wells I have and never find a shred of sympathy for people being forced to buy a Luce so they can buy even more absurdly expensive things. These people weren’t gonna put that money to anything useful anyway, I actually support Ferrari ripping off rich assholes.

Wuffles
Wuffles
4 hours ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

The only hesitation I have is some of those morons will work in other industries that affect the average consumer, and then if they start thinking this kind of shit is normal it could trickle down.

But I 100% agree, zero sympathy for any of the losers “forced” to buy a Luce.

Last edited 4 hours ago by Wuffles
JDE
JDE
1 day ago

Best example of successful Name Comeback. Charger/Challenger/300.

Regardless of your love or hate for all of these. and also yes, I realize 2 of the names are gone again, the reality is they basically brought back Dodge/Chrysler from the brink.

Erik Hancock
Erik Hancock
1 day ago

Is everyone forgetting that Mitsubishi was also a terrible car company while it was making its most treasured models? Those beloved cars were produced in spite of the fact that Mitsubishi’s lineup was filled with cheap, unreliable, underpowered plasticky garbage that you were most likely to see as rusted-out cars of last resort along with Nissan Altimas and Chevy Malibus. Let’s not over-romanticize what Mitsu was doing in the ’90s – they aren’t trying to resurrect a storied badge like Alfa Romeo or something. The base Lancer was god awful – but they chucked in a borrowed AWD system, way too much boost, and doused it with the entire boy-racer parts bin. From the factory! They stripped everything else out – which was brilliant, because that transformed “cheapness” into “spartan efficiency.”

I don’t think they need a total reinvention to recapture the magic. They got rid of their cheapest car, which is the first missing part of the formula. Bring back the Mirage, which was a weak little econobox, as a hatchback. Make the base model even more rotten and devoid of features, so that it once again becomes a car of last resort making them super accessible, showing up everywhere – including the hands of young drivers without many other choices. Then, offer a factory Evo version with even fewer amenities, but factory AWD, LSD, a crapton of turbo, over-the-top aero, etc. That’s what it takes.

JDE
JDE
1 day ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

the Mitsubishi 4G63 turbo motor was pretty special back then, it could produce nearly 4 digit HP without a lot of changes to the lower end. the nineties for Mitsubishi were actually kind of gold for car people, even those of us that usually go big on Cubes and HP.

I would definitely take the following over the lancer, though I do see that as a decent car too.

1997 Eagle Talon TSI AWD Manual – I know, not the eclipse exactly, but I liked the body work a tad better.
1996 3000GT VR-4 Spyder with the retractable hardtop
1998 Mitsubishi Legnum Super VR-4

And during this time the Suzuki Samurai was getting some traction, so it baffles me they never up engined the Kei Pajero to make it palatable int he US and brought that little gem over.

and they made raliarts for the posers to drive when they wanted to live with a racecar in theory, but the budget and the family kind of put the kibosh on that.

Username, the Movie
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Username, the Movie
23 hours ago
Reply to  JDE

I owned many DSMs in all flavors, and the 4G63 truly was special. the rest of those cars was honestly subpar, the transmissions were made of glass, the transfercases, rear diffs etc all far too weak. Oh the 2g DSMs rusted out incredibly fast starting at the main suspension points so the cars became very unsafe. Also remember that the 2Gs would allow tons of crank endplay and destroy themselves (crankwalk). Again, I owned 1Gs, 2Gs, turbo, AWD etc and I finally had to step away due to all these problems. I adore the 4G63 and its similar engines (the 4G61T was fun, the 4G64, and even the 6G72 in the 3000GT were good engines).

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
23 hours ago
Reply to  JDE

Ah, the Montero IO! It was a curious little off roader.

Username, the Movie
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Username, the Movie
23 hours ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

You really hit it well. Mitsu made a few really fun looking cars that made solid power and good be boosted to even more power, but they quickly fell apart. Fun fact, the first years of the Lancer EVO in 1993 they actually started from the Mirage chassis as you mentioned. I owned the “Evo 0” in the Galante VR4, which was the chassis for the Eclipse, but with 4 doors and the same 4G63turbo AWD. I loved the engine and the looks but the rest of the car was just not up for the challenge.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
23 hours ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

Well. They won four World Rally Championships in the second half of the 90s so at least they did that right.

Erik Hancock
Erik Hancock
21 hours ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

Absolutely, winning on the track is a part of the formula – and Mitsubishi is back after some years off. I’m not denying that they made a few great decisions and some amazing parts, but their car lineup as a whole was a mess most of the time. All it would take to get back that cult following would be like one really special powertrain, something small that you could easily mod the crap out of. Put some real money and a (probably Finnish) star into the WRC version and you would see Mitsubishi posters on kids’ bedroom walls again.

1BigMitsubishiFamily
1BigMitsubishiFamily
5 hours ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

The Mirage was not updated to meet 2025 US car crash standards and was already long in the tooth in 2020. And the big issue with Mitsu in the USA are tariffs and the chicken tax. If it isn’t built in the US, the current tariff situation (protecting American junk) and the chicken tax make anything and everything too expensive. So much for the free market.

Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
1 day ago

I’m not sure I understand all the criticism. The Luce is the best looking Acura in years.

Robyn Graves
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Robyn Graves
1 day ago

Regarding Ferrari…

This is very easy for me to say because, well, I can’t afford _any_ Ferrari, so my opinion is worth less than mud to them, but I just can’t fathom wading through all the Ferrari bullshit to buy one of their cars these days.

Oh, fine, you can give us an exorbitant amount of money for one of our cars, but you have to sign this thirty-page document that says you can never say anything remotely bad about it on social media, and you can’t sell it if you don’t like it, and only you can drive it so no one else can say anything bad about it, either. Like… this is ridiculous. I just can’t imagine that so many very wealthy people are willing to put up with all this insecure nonsense from one of the biggest names in sports cars. It’s unbecoming of them, and shows a lack of faith in their products and abilities.

And the wild thing is, it’s not needed! By all accounts, Ferrari apparently still makes excellent sports cars! Honestly, the only real complaint I think I’ve seen leveled against them has been regarding their polarizing styling, but that’s just a consequence of modern car design.

Ferrari hasn’t made anything that I personally would consider “classically” beautiful since it discontinued the 575M, but literally no one is making truly good-looking cars nowadays. Every mid-engine sports car looks like a gaming mouse, and what few traditional two-door coupes that have survived The Crossoverening are all saddled with high beltlines, giant grilles, and excessive folds and creases. Even Aston Martin’s current crop of cars looks like they had no idea where else to go and just started pulling and pinching on things to make them look different. But even given that the new Testarossa or whatever looks like a heap of styling cues thrown together in a dryer, the car apparently still drives like nothing else. I simply don’t understand why they’re so wound up about this stuff.

Is it just that they don’t want their brand to be overrun by rich douche bags with Instagram accounts? Spoiler alert for Maranello, that’s literally the only people who drive these things. That cat’s so far out of the bag it’s had kittens, each of whom has an Instagram handle on the back window of their 456. Rich douche bags are the only people who both can afford and actually own supercars. The days of classy millionaires driving hand-built grand tourers up the coast to sip wine and discuss heady matters of industry are long gone, if they ever really existed, and now it’s pretty much just rich failsons of billionaires stunting on the internet for clout.

This kind of got away from me, but all that to say, if I was looking to blow more than half a million dollars on an exotic sports car, I cannot imagine putting up with a company telling me I can’t do whatever I like with it after I’ve given them more than the median price of a fucking house, especially when the attitude of their cross-town rivals is, “sure, we’ll sell you a car that looks like a spaceship and we don’t care what you do with it! Paint it pink and gold polka dot and use it to promote your ska band, crash it for the video, fuck it, we’ll build you another one!”

What a bunch of assholes…

Last edited 1 day ago by Robyn Graves
Spopepro
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Spopepro
1 day ago
Reply to  Robyn Graves

I think you fundamentally misunderstand luxury goods. A Ferrari is no more a car than a DRC Romanée-Conti (or even better, the Bâtard-Montrachet) is a wine, a Macallan exceptional cask is a whisky, or a Birkin is a bag.

Wealthy folks see it as part of the game, not a detraction.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 day ago
Reply to  Spopepro

I was going to say the same. Thank you for putting it into words.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
1 day ago
Reply to  Robyn Graves

Not sure what it implies but an anecdote re: Ferrari. Last month I was in both Miami and Naples, Florida, visiting relatives and getting some beach time in. But in my limited experience of visiting South Florida about every 10-15 years, it has a very high concentration of exotic cars, more than I’ve seen just about anywhere. And it seemed notable to me that I saw what felt like a shockingly large number of McLarens out and about and hardly more than one or two Ferraris. Maybe McLaren owners are just less worried about their *investment* and actually drive their cars, but it does make me wonder if that’s a good sign for Ferrari.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
1 day ago

Naples resident here, can confirm on McLarens. I joke that my ’95 Miata is the real exotic around here because there are way more McLarens than clean NAs.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
23 hours ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

Yeh we didn’t see too many Miatas (sad face) It was nuts how many McLarens we saw, especially walking around the downtown Naples area, even my wife who is not a car enthusiast was commenting on it.

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
22 hours ago
Reply to  Robyn Graves

If you have 30 minutes, I do highly recommend this Design Theory YouTube video on luxury brands and how they operate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S64fYFDqJlU

Robyn Graves
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Robyn Graves
17 hours ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

I have to say, that was a fascinating watch and worth the time. Honestly, I thought I had a bit of a handle on the idea of “luxury” as a status symbol and how that affects the buying process, but I will admit, I found this pretty enlightening! Shoutout to Spopepro above for making some similar points!

Last edited 17 hours ago by Robyn Graves
Spopepro
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Spopepro
1 day ago

Matt’s critique of music is usually sharp, and it’s rare I disagree… but I couldn’t disagree more about Rodrigo. All of her albums have been like that–homage, pastiche, or soulless ripoffs depending on perspective. And the first time I listened to her I was like “yeah, this sounds like the rock and roll I grew up with, but with a new voice.” But the more I listened to it the more it felt like Live 105 but with every song by the same signer. “get him back” was the final straw… not an homage to Butthole Surfers but a barely concealed warming over of “Pepper.” And then it all sounded too much like that… microwave dinner versions of all your favorites.

Rodrigo is only a cynical rip-off of the top hits of the 90s, none of the albums or songs have any coherence to each other and at no point is anything representative of anything new or her. It’s not inspired, it’s vampiric extraction, packaged and sold in platform boots and corsets.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
19 hours ago
Reply to  Spopepro

But… how do you really feel?

1BigMitsubishiFamily
1BigMitsubishiFamily
1 day ago

For the US market, Mitsubishi needs a larger version of the Outlander aka Montero/Pajero and a pickup truck built in Tennessee alongside the Frontier but with more Mitsubishi-ness.

It would not be profitable for them to build a HALO car like the Evolution 2027 edition as there isn’t any volume in the Fast n Furious crowd after a few thousand but they need a halo car/suv desperately.

This would get additional dealers on board. Mitsubishi Motors USA, you can hire me for your American PR at a discounted rate if you so desire.

Drunken Bum
Drunken Bum
1 day ago

What is Mistubishi-ness?

1BigMitsubishiFamily
1BigMitsubishiFamily
5 hours ago
Reply to  Drunken Bum

You really have to drive an Evo or even a 90’s Diamante or 80’s Sigma sedan to feel it. Not a Camry, not an Accord and definitely not a Taurus or Impala. The ergos are better, the handling is different. Kind of like a French car but everything is good.

Drive a new Rogue (yawn) then drive a new Outlander, especially the PHEV. Sure, its based on the Rogue, but the PHEV drives and performs completely different from its platform-mate the Rogue.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 day ago

I have a different “big question” today: Do we pronounce BYD as “bid” or as “Bee Why Dee”?

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 day ago

Second. I think…

Stryker_T
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Stryker_T
1 day ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

no, a secret third option, “Buy-d”

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
23 hours ago
Reply to  Stryker_T

Beeday?

Stryker_T
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Stryker_T
22 hours ago

no, seriously, it just gets wrecked in the translations, it’s really pronounced “Beef Smash-Punch”

Robyn Graves
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Robyn Graves
22 hours ago
Reply to  Stryker_T

Oh, I saw it them live in… ‘06, I think it was? Before their original bassist exploded.

Last edited 22 hours ago by Robyn Graves
Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
22 hours ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

Thank you!

BenCars
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BenCars
3 hours ago

Spell out the letters.

It does actually stand for something (“Build Your Dreams”)

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
2 hours ago
Reply to  BenCars

Thanks for the info. I did not know that. I was calling it bid until a few days ago when I heard someone say B Y D.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
1 day ago

We have no yen
We are Devo

1BigMitsubishiFamily
1BigMitsubishiFamily
1 day ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Unfortunately, with Mitsubishi in the USA we do not have much Freedom of Choice.

Last edited 1 day ago by 1BigMitsubishiFamily
MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 day ago

Mitsubishi was Through Being Cool a decade ago.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 day ago

What’s the best example of a brand bringing back a name successfully?

Scout co-opting the Model name as a brand, with models that look the part, is probably the best move I can think of. Assuming they ever actually make it to production.

Isis
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Isis
1 day ago

TBQ: Toyota Supra, Acura Integra, Dodge Challenger. All pretty good and effectively honoring the previous namesake.

Greg
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Greg
1 day ago

The Mitsubishi guy, well you can like what you like, and want to do all sorts of things in your head, but I agree with Matt here, it ain’t happening. Even if it did, I think they are so far in the hole in the USA that it would take more than a few years to get the word out, and it would be canceled before it got a chance.

Rivian. I feel like they’ve been hitting some headwinds and seem to be running into Tesla like problems as they mature to a Tesla like company. (like, not exact to all you “technically” people) The real lesson I have learned here is to underpromise and over deliver. Unfortunately they most likely needed stock boosts so probably over promised. I am a strong believer that companies should stay private until they are matured, and then go for it. I love Rivian, and hope they get their shit together, but I’ve been seeing more and more problematic actions from them.

Ferrari deff didn’t tell you to buy a e-ferrar to get an ice, but their dealers sure as shit did! I don’t doubt that for 1 second.

lastly, FUCK byd and china.

Last edited 1 day ago by Greg
Robert M
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Robert M
1 day ago

There is a lot of cars over the years that people hated because of the way it looked, then learned to love it. But that Luce is not going to be one of them, especially at $600k, which is insane for an Italian Model S Plaid.

Ben
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Ben
1 day ago
Reply to  Robert M

That’s an insult to the Model S, which after 15 years is still more attractive than the Luce. 😛

Robert M
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Robert M
21 hours ago
Reply to  Ben

The interior of the Luce is amazing though.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
1 day ago

Dont hate me but the Chevy Blazer, it even got an EV model. Somehow Ford killed the Edge but the Blazer keeps going.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 day ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

Ford learned that you can only Edge for so long.

RallyMech
RallyMech
4 hours ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

The new Blazer is about as blasphemous as a 4 door Mustang or whatever the newer Eclipse is. All 3 have effectively zero with the original DNA behind the name.

Kurt B
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Kurt B
1 day ago

If “success” is your metric…

The third generation Challenger. Aside from a sorely needed interior refresh, it was largely the same car for 15 years and they sold like 50,000 a year for over a decade.

Helps that they nailed the retro styling.

Dave mid-engine
Dave mid-engine
1 day ago
Reply to  Kurt B

The proportions are all wrong though with the new Challenger being very tall compared to the low and wide classic, and uses huge wheels to try to conceal that.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
21 hours ago

The “new” Challenger looks pretty good right up until you see it parked next to a classic Challenger.

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