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The Mood At Volkswagen Of America Is Reportedly So Bad That Someone Is Nostalgic For Dieselgate

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There’s a long interview this morning in a German business newspaper with the head of Scout Motors, and it is dense with information. Some of it is pretty well known, like that 87% of deposit holders opted for the extended-range hybrid. The fact that Scout is considering an IPO wasn’t, I believe, previously disclosed, although it makes sense.

Most other outlets seem to be running with the IPO news, but The Morning Dump is more concerned with the vibes at Volkswagen Group of America. The vibes, the article alleges, are not good. A lack of compelling product, a bunch of losses, and leadership changes have taken a toll. Of course, Scout remains a potential bright spot, but that’s a quasi-separate company.

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The mood is probably better at the office of the California Attorney General after getting a large settlement from GM following the illegal release of driving behavior and information to third-party firms. Up the road in Fremont, I presume a sort of bittersweet feeling pervades as Tesla produces the last Model S and Model X models.

The mother of all bummers has hit the Chinese market as higher gas prices haven’t resulted in enough electric car sales to counteract the drop in ICE-powered vehicles. Do Chinese consumer just not want to buy as many cars anymore?

What Does Volkswagen Have To Be Excited About?

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I feel the strong need to preface every discussion of VW with the admission that there are numerous Volkswagen fans amongst our staff and readership, to say nothing of all the VWs that Jason and Mercedes own. Perhaps we’re collectively harder on the company’s decision-making because of this affection.

Or, maybe, VW is just a mess.

If you’re not a Handlesblatt subscriber, it’s a German business newspaper that’s sort of like The Wall Street Journal. The publication has a long feature out today about Scout that includes an interview with former VW Group of America/current Scout CEO Scott Keogh.

The scuttlebutt is that a public offering is an option, which is basically always an option:

Keogh says that external capital is “an option on the table”: Scout was deliberately built as an independent entity – with the possibility of bringing in external investors or strategic partners. Keogh refers to US investment funds that are specifically focused on “the industrial renaissance,” the revival of the USA, without naming any specific names.

There’s also a fun scene in the article wherein the governor of South Carolina trains to paint a car using a simulator and is told he’s too slow. Other than the IPO bit, a lot of this is a restatement of what is already known, which is that the C-Suite in VW HQ is extremely committed to Scout, especially as a way to make profits in the United States to counteract weakness in China.

While is all of this attention being paid to Scout? What about the many other Volkswagen brands for sale in the United States?

VW representatives in North America paint a bleak picture. The mood within the company is “worse than during the diesel scandal,” says one. Back then, the company at least still had solid revenues. Today, cash flow is lacking. Among the things that have been lost are the spirit of optimism in Wolfsburg, “the drive to move forward.”

The network of numerous brands and the complexity within the group has increased even further, says another US manager. Navigating this and remaining innovative is the real challenge. The cacophony of the many brands is particularly problematic when cost-cutting measures are simultaneously required.

Yeoch. The sense I get from most reporting on Volkswagen, as well as from people in various parts of the larger group, is that the fallout from the company’s awkward post-Dieselgate shift into electrification is far from over.

The company and its brands have to simultaneously create a bunch of new products, find ways to build those in the context of tariffs, and also somehow save money. This is more acute in America, where brands like Audi and Volkswagen are expected to bring in profits and yet don’t have a lot of new products to show for it.

For Volkswagen the brand, this is mostly a refreshed Atlas, which is a popular-ish SUV that’s made in America, and the Tiguan, which is made in Mexico.

When brands are in this situation, they can sometimes get creative, and it would be nice to see VW try something more than just extended the lifespan of existing platforms with mild refreshes. Super-light, high power GTI when?

GM Has To Pay $12.75 Million To Settle Consumer Data Violations

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The purported benefit of having a connected car is that it can make your life better through data. Certainly, a car automatically calling for help when you crash is a great feature. Less beneficial, though, is when your car rats on you to insurance agencies, causing your insurance costs to go up.

Automakers want to make money off of all this data they have about you, but the way that some went about it raised huge privacy issues. Most of the automakers involved at least temporarily backed off data sharing to third parties who then sold that data to insurance agencies.

It turns out that California has specific laws about this sort of thing, and GM violated them, which means GM has to pay. From the California AG’s office:

“General Motors sold the data of California drivers without their knowledge or consent and despite numerous statements reassuring drivers that it would not do so. This trove of information included precise and personal location data that could identify the everyday habits and movements of Californians,” said Attorney General Rob Bonta. “Today’s settlement requires General Motors to abandon these illegal practices and underscores the importance of the data minimization in California’s privacy law — companies can’t just hold on to data and use it later for another purpose. I am proud to go to bat for the privacy rights of Californians and to collaborate with state and local partners who share the same commitment to consumer protection.”

GM will pay $12.75 million in civil penalties and is banned from selling that data for five years and must request that the brokers Verisk and LexisNexis delete that information. The company also released a statement to Automotive News in response:

“This agreement addresses Smart Driver, a product we discontinued in 2024, and reinforces steps we’ve taken to strengthen our privacy practices,” a GM spokesperson said in a statement. “Vehicle connectivity is central to a modern and safe driving experience, which is why we’re committed to being clear and transparent with our customers about our practices and the choices and control they have over their information.”

By comparison, Honda paid less than $700k to settle its claims with the state.

Here’s The Last Model S And The Last Model X

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It’s been known for a while that Tesla would stop making the Model S, which ran for 14 years, and the Model X, which was produced for 11. The last vehicles, which cost about $160,000, are recognizable for their Garnet Red paint, gold badging, and other touches. Both Signature Edition models are Plaid with the high-end Luxe Package.

The photo above shows the last Model S and Model X ever built.

I remember when the Model S came along, and it’s hard to overstate how important it was. Some of have made the argument that it’s the most important vehicle since the Model T and, yeah, that’s probably correct. The Model X is also a car that was produced.

Chinese Car Sales Dropped 21.5% In April

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As far as countries facing an energy crisis go, you’d think that China would be in a better position than most. It has huge reserves and a massive EV car industry. Still, higher gas prices sent car purchases down 21.5% year-over-year in April. Even ‘New Energy Vehicles’ (PHEVs, EREVs, and EVs) saw a decline of 6.8%, which is somewhat counterintuitive.

While this does mean that NEVs now have a penetration rate of more than 60%, which is a record, it leads to a lot of other tough questions.

Per Bloomberg:

The industry had hoped for a recovery starting from April but sales in the first four months of the year contracted 18.5%. The extended slump signals a worrying indicator for the Chinese economy as a whole, as cars make up one of the largest household purchases after real estate.

“Why have consumers suddenly stopped buying cars? There are mostly two factors,” said Li Yanwei, an advisor to the China Automobile Dealers Association. The slowing economy has led to job losses and falling wages that dampened spending, while the surge in oil prices has hit the stock market and sentiment, Li said.

Auto-related purchases as a portion of retail consumption in China fell to 7.8% in the first quarter, the lowest level in at least five years.

Is this going to be a drop in NEV sales roughly shared across all brands, or will more mainstream brands get hurt worse? Data just came out from Tesla, which shows a 10% drop, which is very different from the purported 36% increase in sales.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I may have implied last week that men were not making interesting country music lately, and Griffin pointed out the existence of Sturgill Simpson. Ok. Fair. There’s at least one. Please enjoy “Sing Along” and the cool, car-centric video for it.

The Big Question

You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver. What are you picking?

Top photo: VW

 

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Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
29 days ago

The Cayenne Electric is pretty good when it’s free! On the other hand, Audi RS3

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
29 days ago

RS6 Wagon, of course.

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
29 days ago

maybe they should, like IDK, not delay their most promising product

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
29 days ago

After Friday’s country-themed TFTS, I actually put Sound+Fury on for my morning commute! “Make Art, Not Friends” was just wrapping up as I pulled into the parking garage at work.

Last edited 29 days ago by DialMforMiata
StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
29 days ago

I saw my first IDBuzz in the wild last weekend, and if they’re just gonna GIVE it to me, that thing looked really cool! I have a gas car for road trios, so the range isn’t a concern for me. I could daily drive that!

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
29 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

It’s pretty drivable. Nice high vantage point, but the big battery makes it feel super-planted, so you can push it in the turns like a regular electric sled. If the cost and range are non-issues, definitely worth a look.

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
29 days ago

Sound & Fury put me onto Sturgill Simpson and now he pops up fairly regularly in my playlists. If you like Love Death + Robots it’s worth a watch. I’ll take whatever manual 911 speculators are currently getting all frothy over I guess? Would be sort of embarrassed to be seen it it, but it would surely be a pretty amazing drive.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
29 days ago

How anyone trusts Tesla’s sales numbers is beyond me.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
29 days ago

So, I’m confused. Is Yeoch one of VW’s executives, or….?

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
29 days ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

Ono, me too.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
29 days ago
Reply to  MondialMatt

I was kidding. The form of the word was close enough to Piech in my fevered little mind.

BB 2 wheels > 4
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BB 2 wheels > 4
29 days ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

I had no idea how to spell that. But yee ouch is how I read it.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
29 days ago

You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver. What are you picking?

Nothing. There’s not a single pickup truck option in the group. Very depressing.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
29 days ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

That was my first thought, though *sigh* I’ll guess I’ll settle for an A6 Allroad. Wonder how much it can tow?

BB 2 wheels > 4
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BB 2 wheels > 4
29 days ago
Reply to  Gubbin

A6 Allroad would likely be my answer as well. 4,500 pounds tow capacity. More than enough for hauling motorcycles.

Maschinenbau
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Maschinenbau
29 days ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

False. Scania R770. 16.4L V8 cabover with 2700 ft-lbs of torque. About as truck as it gets!

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
29 days ago
Reply to  Maschinenbau

Their website only shows engines for sale in the US. Not entire trucks.

https://www.scania.com/us/en/home.html

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
28 days ago
Reply to  Maschinenbau

That rig’s a bit too cool for America, sadly.

Howie
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Howie
29 days ago

Ooooh. Johnny Blue Skies! That is a great little movie worth the watch. Reportedly, he played all of the instruments. Saw him a while back, and he was awesome and he always has a great band! What a guitar player. He doesn’t really consider himself country at this point though. Metamodern Sounds in Country Music is a really great album

Turbeaux
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Turbeaux
29 days ago
Reply to  Howie

Call to Arms on SNL is one of my favorite SNL performances ever. Just a man in a suit rocking out while his band tears it down.

Last edited 29 days ago by Turbeaux
Howie
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Howie
29 days ago
Reply to  Turbeaux

I love that performance. Check out that band in NYC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRM54fan_-A

T.B.A.
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T.B.A.
29 days ago
Reply to  Howie

I got to see him perform at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass in San Francisco a few years ago; it was an incredible show.

Howie
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Howie
29 days ago
Reply to  T.B.A.

I love the Cuttin Grass albums

Gubbin
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Gubbin
29 days ago
Reply to  Howie

Love Metamodern, and his video for “In Bloom” is very sweet. Also liked his part in that dumb sci-fi movie with the robot Buddhist monks and the American Imperialist Space Station.

Howie
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Howie
29 days ago
Reply to  Gubbin

The new album is wild. I got the CD and the vinyl. I also just discovered Passage du Desir

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
29 days ago

Jetta Sport for me – the closest thing to the old school VW experience available. Can be had with a manual transmission, actually has manual seats and an honest to goodness ignition key!

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
29 days ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

The facelift killed the manual in the standard Jetta, it’s GLI only now.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
29 days ago

Damn. While I’m appreciative of manuals on performance models, there’s just something about one on a lesser, if perfectly competent one that’s so appealing.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
29 days ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Agreed. Simple, competent cars seem to fit the ethos of a manual transmission

John B Patson
John B Patson
29 days ago

There is a very funny story in the latest Economist about how Brits are buying a Chinese rip off of a Range Rover….
Why not, it also has four wheels on the outside and a steering wheel inside….

James McHenry
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James McHenry
29 days ago

I can just have anything. Anything at all. Don’t have to pay for it? I mean, if I have to pay for it probably the cheapest VW Golf variant they sell here, but if imaginary internet money does instead? Base model 911 Carrera.

EXL500
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EXL500
29 days ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Ditto. Maybe a Targa.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
29 days ago

double post, please delete

Last edited 29 days ago by Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
29 days ago

A man singing with a southern accent does not a country song make. It has country influences but it’s miles better than most of the music you post, so I can’t call it country. I dig it a lot though!

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
29 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

That Sturgill Simpson video reminds me of the one for “If I Had a Tail” by Queens of the Stone Age.
The apparent sequel to this Simpson video is “A Good Look.” It’s a bit more country-coded, but maybe just because the video has line dancing and just screams Telecaster. However it’s also probably NSFW so maybe that’s why Hardigree went with “Sing Along.”
Yeah, I don’t hear any of those songs as “Country,” but maybe that’s a good thing…

Howie
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Howie
29 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

Johnny Blue Skies has acknowledged he isn’t really country. Mutiny After Midnight is decidedly not, and he described it as a dance album, and I can’t say that isn’t correct. Check his earlier stuff and he has evolved. He was really country early on

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
29 days ago

TBQ: It would have been a 6MT Golf Alltrack but as their current line up stands, Taycan Cross Turismo

VW keeps chasing trends instead of just being themselves and letting their lineup do the talking. Golf hybrid and the same thing in wagon form for the US would be a unique offering that would actually attract some new buyers

Last edited 29 days ago by Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
29 days ago

A Taycan is a nice choice. The Macan Electric is a little busy outside, but very habitable inside. I could live with either.

Drew
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Drew
29 days ago

You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver. What are you picking?

Since I don’t have to use it exclusively, this isn’t as rough a question as it could be. I’d prefer to daily an EV, so I’ll take a Taycan Turbo S Cross Turismo, please.

4jim
4jim
29 days ago

If is did not have to be from US lineup I was going to go for the
VW California camper van with gusto.
US only
fine…. a Golf R

TK-421
TK-421
29 days ago

Does an Audi RS3 count? Because all the articles I read that compared them to Group B rallycars got them on my radar.

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
29 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

My buddy has one and I gotta say it’s a damn fun car. He picked up a used one with carbon-ceramic brakes and my god those things stop faster than a street car feels like it should.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
29 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

My brother had a previous gen RS3 and let me drive it some, incredibly fast fun car that could pull a clover leaf with more Gs than I have the stomach for. But go in eyes open about the $$$ maintenance. IIRC a brake job at the dealer was like $4K (and that’s with under 30K miles), the water pump went out with only like 35k on the clock,and bc it’s an Audi was like a $2K job, plus some other annoyingly expensive little stuff-if you’re a DIYer or know a good indie shop imagine you could get these prices down some but with all the bespoke parts on these even if you get the labor down the parts prices will be what they are.

Grayvee280
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Grayvee280
29 days ago

VW needs to get back to their roots of the People’s car. They have been trying to be Audi for too long. Let Audi be your “Lexus” and make great simple cars again. From Phaeton to ID Buzz, they were so busy proving German engineering could build it, no one asked if they should.

Also, since I am dreaming, I’ll go ahead and take an Audi RS7 Avant!

V10omous
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V10omous
29 days ago

You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver.

Assuming Porsche counts, then a 911 Turbo S. Winter-capable “enough” and back seats that are tolerable for kid use.

Thank you, by the way, for not making this a “VW Branded” exercise.

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
29 days ago

Good job working “Handlesblatt” and “scuttlebutt” into the same bit.

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
29 days ago
Reply to  MondialMatt

It could have been Handlesbutt and Scuttleblatt!

Toecutter
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Toecutter
29 days ago

How about VW build the sub-$20,000 EV-equivalent of the OG VW Beetle? No touchscreens, no spyware, everything easily repaired with basic tools, a small battery that gives good range in an aerodynamically-efficient lightweight chassis that comfortably seats 4 adults, very mechanically and electrically simple, rear-wheel drive(or maybe even AWD using hub motors in each wheel), and it’s a small city-car sized vehicle? Make it a quality product that lasts for decades, just like the OG Beetle. It could be a world car. Offer it in markets like the USA where it won’t sell well anyway.

I bet they could sell a crap ton of them worldwide. Yes, it will eat into sales of more expensive/profitable products in their lineup, but could take enough sales away from the Chicoms to make up the difference.

Last edited 29 days ago by Toecutter
Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
29 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Also, character, it has to have some sort of quirky character to it that endears it to its owners despite how spartan it is, either through style or packaging or whatever. Give people a reason to connect with it emotionally, that’s the recipe for real, sustained success with a cheap car

Toecutter
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Toecutter
29 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Making it the lowest drag thing on the road will give it that by default, because nothing else does it or would resemble it. Build it to have a Cd value around 0.15 and give it the frontal area similar to the OG Beetle.

You won’t need a battery pack bigger than 30 kWh to consistently get a 200+ mile range at a steady 70 mph(more range in fair weather). This will also keep it Miata-like in mass and it will have a lot of character when it comes to driving dynamics if you make it RWD.

It would offer a crap load of value for the money, just like the OG Beetle, and that would be the entire point. When it gets old and things start to break, it should be easily and cheaply fixed. When battery replacement time comes, it should be easy/inexpensive to swap a new one in, and the charger should be able to be programmed for new battery chemistries that don’t exist at the time of manufacture(this is really easy: my $300 Cycle Satiator ebike charger does this!).

This car should be able to be used as a reliable daily when it’s 50+ years old if it has been properly maintained and repaired, and as an EV, those requirements will be minimal.

Last edited 29 days ago by Toecutter
10001010
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10001010
29 days ago

For the sake of today’s question I’m going to pretend that the ID.Polo GTI is sold in the US.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
29 days ago
Reply to  10001010

After the 5 it is possibly the second EV supermini which “works as a car”.

RataTejas
RataTejas
29 days ago

My daily would be the RS6 Avant, maybe a 718 Boxter for the weekends.

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