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The Mood At Volkswagen Of America Is Reportedly So Bad That Someone Is Nostalgic For Dieselgate

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There’s a long interview this morning in a German business newspaper with the head of Scout Motors, and it is dense with information. Some of it is pretty well known, like that 87% of deposit holders opted for the extended-range hybrid. The fact that Scout is considering an IPO wasn’t, I believe, previously disclosed, although it makes sense.

Most other outlets seem to be running with the IPO news, but The Morning Dump is more concerned with the vibes at Volkswagen Group of America. The vibes, the article alleges, are not good. A lack of compelling product, a bunch of losses, and leadership changes have taken a toll. Of course, Scout remains a potential bright spot, but that’s a quasi-separate company.

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The mood is probably better at the office of the California Attorney General after getting a large settlement from GM following the illegal release of driving behavior and information to third-party firms. Up the road in Fremont, I presume a sort of bittersweet feeling pervades as Tesla produces the last Model S and Model X models.

The mother of all bummers has hit the Chinese market as higher gas prices haven’t resulted in enough electric car sales to counteract the drop in ICE-powered vehicles. Do Chinese consumer just not want to buy as many cars anymore?

What Does Volkswagen Have To Be Excited About?

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I feel the strong need to preface every discussion of VW with the admission that there are numerous Volkswagen fans amongst our staff and readership, to say nothing of all the VWs that Jason and Mercedes own. Perhaps we’re collectively harder on the company’s decision-making because of this affection.

Or, maybe, VW is just a mess.

If you’re not a Handlesblatt subscriber, it’s a German business newspaper that’s sort of like The Wall Street Journal. The publication has a long feature out today about Scout that includes an interview with former VW Group of America/current Scout CEO Scott Keogh.

The scuttlebutt is that a public offering is an option, which is basically always an option:

Keogh says that external capital is “an option on the table”: Scout was deliberately built as an independent entity – with the possibility of bringing in external investors or strategic partners. Keogh refers to US investment funds that are specifically focused on “the industrial renaissance,” the revival of the USA, without naming any specific names.

There’s also a fun scene in the article wherein the governor of South Carolina trains to paint a car using a simulator and is told he’s too slow. Other than the IPO bit, a lot of this is a restatement of what is already known, which is that the C-Suite in VW HQ is extremely committed to Scout, especially as a way to make profits in the United States to counteract weakness in China.

While is all of this attention being paid to Scout? What about the many other Volkswagen brands for sale in the United States?

VW representatives in North America paint a bleak picture. The mood within the company is “worse than during the diesel scandal,” says one. Back then, the company at least still had solid revenues. Today, cash flow is lacking. Among the things that have been lost are the spirit of optimism in Wolfsburg, “the drive to move forward.”

The network of numerous brands and the complexity within the group has increased even further, says another US manager. Navigating this and remaining innovative is the real challenge. The cacophony of the many brands is particularly problematic when cost-cutting measures are simultaneously required.

Yeoch. The sense I get from most reporting on Volkswagen, as well as from people in various parts of the larger group, is that the fallout from the company’s awkward post-Dieselgate shift into electrification is far from over.

The company and its brands have to simultaneously create a bunch of new products, find ways to build those in the context of tariffs, and also somehow save money. This is more acute in America, where brands like Audi and Volkswagen are expected to bring in profits and yet don’t have a lot of new products to show for it.

For Volkswagen the brand, this is mostly a refreshed Atlas, which is a popular-ish SUV that’s made in America, and the Tiguan, which is made in Mexico.

When brands are in this situation, they can sometimes get creative, and it would be nice to see VW try something more than just extended the lifespan of existing platforms with mild refreshes. Super-light, high power GTI when?

GM Has To Pay $12.75 Million To Settle Consumer Data Violations

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The purported benefit of having a connected car is that it can make your life better through data. Certainly, a car automatically calling for help when you crash is a great feature. Less beneficial, though, is when your car rats on you to insurance agencies, causing your insurance costs to go up.

Automakers want to make money off of all this data they have about you, but the way that some went about it raised huge privacy issues. Most of the automakers involved at least temporarily backed off data sharing to third parties who then sold that data to insurance agencies.

It turns out that California has specific laws about this sort of thing, and GM violated them, which means GM has to pay. From the California AG’s office:

“General Motors sold the data of California drivers without their knowledge or consent and despite numerous statements reassuring drivers that it would not do so. This trove of information included precise and personal location data that could identify the everyday habits and movements of Californians,” said Attorney General Rob Bonta. “Today’s settlement requires General Motors to abandon these illegal practices and underscores the importance of the data minimization in California’s privacy law — companies can’t just hold on to data and use it later for another purpose. I am proud to go to bat for the privacy rights of Californians and to collaborate with state and local partners who share the same commitment to consumer protection.”

GM will pay $12.75 million in civil penalties and is banned from selling that data for five years and must request that the brokers Verisk and LexisNexis delete that information. The company also released a statement to Automotive News in response:

“This agreement addresses Smart Driver, a product we discontinued in 2024, and reinforces steps we’ve taken to strengthen our privacy practices,” a GM spokesperson said in a statement. “Vehicle connectivity is central to a modern and safe driving experience, which is why we’re committed to being clear and transparent with our customers about our practices and the choices and control they have over their information.”

By comparison, Honda paid less than $700k to settle its claims with the state.

Here’s The Last Model S And The Last Model X

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It’s been known for a while that Tesla would stop making the Model S, which ran for 14 years, and the Model X, which was produced for 11. The last vehicles, which cost about $160,000, are recognizable for their Garnet Red paint, gold badging, and other touches. Both Signature Edition models are Plaid with the high-end Luxe Package.

The photo above shows the last Model S and Model X ever built.

I remember when the Model S came along, and it’s hard to overstate how important it was. Some of have made the argument that it’s the most important vehicle since the Model T and, yeah, that’s probably correct. The Model X is also a car that was produced.

Chinese Car Sales Dropped 21.5% In April

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As far as countries facing an energy crisis go, you’d think that China would be in a better position than most. It has huge reserves and a massive EV car industry. Still, higher gas prices sent car purchases down 21.5% year-over-year in April. Even ‘New Energy Vehicles’ (PHEVs, EREVs, and EVs) saw a decline of 6.8%, which is somewhat counterintuitive.

While this does mean that NEVs now have a penetration rate of more than 60%, which is a record, it leads to a lot of other tough questions.

Per Bloomberg:

The industry had hoped for a recovery starting from April but sales in the first four months of the year contracted 18.5%. The extended slump signals a worrying indicator for the Chinese economy as a whole, as cars make up one of the largest household purchases after real estate.

“Why have consumers suddenly stopped buying cars? There are mostly two factors,” said Li Yanwei, an advisor to the China Automobile Dealers Association. The slowing economy has led to job losses and falling wages that dampened spending, while the surge in oil prices has hit the stock market and sentiment, Li said.

Auto-related purchases as a portion of retail consumption in China fell to 7.8% in the first quarter, the lowest level in at least five years.

Is this going to be a drop in NEV sales roughly shared across all brands, or will more mainstream brands get hurt worse? Data just came out from Tesla, which shows a 10% drop, which is very different from the purported 36% increase in sales.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I may have implied last week that men were not making interesting country music lately, and Griffin pointed out the existence of Sturgill Simpson. Ok. Fair. There’s at least one. Please enjoy “Sing Along” and the cool, car-centric video for it.

The Big Question

You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver. What are you picking?

Top photo: VW

 

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FleetwoodBro
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FleetwoodBro
6 days ago

For the big question I went to the Audi site thinking maybe an A4. They don’t make those anymore, news to me. They make an A3 that looks like it got squashed lengthwise in a hydraulic press, also it has a DSG trans so that’s going to cost eight grand just outside of warranty. A VW Jetta GLI w/ manual trans it is.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
6 days ago
Reply to  FleetwoodBro

The A4 is now an A5 before it comes back to A4 because it was stupid to change it in the first place. Even-numbered “A”s were supposed to be EV and odd-numbered ICE

FleetwoodBro
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FleetwoodBro
5 days ago

Didn’t know that, thanks for the info. What a nutty move by Audi.

World24
World24
6 days ago

Whoops. US only.
If Porsche’s still making the Taycan Cross Turismo, that’d be my pick.
Otherwise, probably the GTI.

Last edited 6 days ago by World24
Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
6 days ago

RS6 Avant, which is the obvious most correct answer.

But if you wanna sell on the glow of the halo, which is kind of the point of a halo car, an RS4. It’s the M3 to the M5, the CT4-V to the CT5-V. Just do it! I promise to even consider it, if I could ever afford it!

Rich Mason
Rich Mason
6 days ago

Is that Yoko Ono in that photo?
Jon Lovitz would have done just as well.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
6 days ago

I’ll take an Audi RS6 Avante if I don’t have to pay for acquisition or maintenance.

If I do, I’ll pass on the offer.

Buddybears
Buddybears
6 days ago

If anyone is wondering why VW is failing look at the review of the ” New” Jetta a few stories ahead of this one. Uh… sure. I am so sure tons of people are giddy to buy what looks like an old design and on top of that- a VW, meaning its going to be a POS and annoying to own. I fail to understand why anyone bought VW’s to begin with but as of now? They don’t even have an appealing lineup.

Mazdarati
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Mazdarati
6 days ago

GTI (I have a 2013 version). I mean, no manual and flat screens suck, but it’s what there is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Last edited 6 days ago by Mazdarati
Dan1101
Dan1101
6 days ago

If they want the fine to matter to GM, they should add 3 more zeros and make it 12.7 billion.

Kasey
Kasey
6 days ago
Reply to  Dan1101

I wonder how much GM made off of selling the data in the first place.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
6 days ago

It’s pretty shocking that making vehicles that are uninteresting and overpriced is a bad recipe. Who would have thought?

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
6 days ago

TBQ: If I could “have” it means I’m not paying for it, I’ll totally take an ID.Buzz in white over purple with Green accents.

I’ll get a Lightyear plate for it.

WaitWaitOkNow
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WaitWaitOkNow
6 days ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

To Infinity…or the nearest charging station!

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
6 days ago
Reply to  WaitWaitOkNow

I don’t drive much, so it’ll be totally adequate for my needs, and I have two Civics I could use for occasional long-distance trips. (he said daily, not ONLY driver)

Last edited 6 days ago by Max Headbolts
WaitWaitOkNow
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WaitWaitOkNow
6 days ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

It was on my shopping list before the price was published. About $20k too much. Though I probably wasn’t selling it well to my other half when I said “it’s not a van, it’s a bus!” My kids would’ve loved it.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
6 days ago
Reply to  WaitWaitOkNow

Yeah as long as I’m not paying for it is key, there is no way it is in my budget.

Avalanche Tremor
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Avalanche Tremor
6 days ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

I’d second this. If someone was going to give me a VW to daily I’d give the buzz a go.

That One Guy
That One Guy
6 days ago

RS6 Avant.

Nick Thomas
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Nick Thomas
6 days ago

VW T7 PHEV – If they sold this in the US, I would have bought one ages ago.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
6 days ago

The problem with VW is the same problem many other manufacturers (mostly Germans) have fallen into is a complete loss of brand vision.

They thought that to be successful in the 21st Century, they needed to be another Tesla – so they fell down the tech rabbithole.

Truth is – few wanted a Tesla because of the big screens and minimalism. People bought Teslas for the same reason people bought ugly Priuses: To be less petroleum-dependent.

VW is on the right path with the ID Polo. VW now needs an ID Golf, ID Jetta (a Golf with a trunk again – not a bland Corolla-wannabe), ID Scirocco and eventually an ID Passat/Dasher. Emulate the Giugiaro styling of the 70’s for all these – with round headlamps, simple forms and simple interiors. Save the lux for Audi.

Then when it’s time to update the banal and bloated Atlas – just kill it, because they now have Scout (which was a dumb move in the way Dodge spun off Ram)

Mark Nielsen
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Mark Nielsen
6 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Now how about an ID.Corrado? Eh

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
6 days ago

Mmm, tricky question. Practically speaking, Golf R. Throwing practicality (mostly) out the window, RS6 Avant.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
6 days ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

I’ll never question the practicality of a Golf (I have one), but considering both an R and an RS6 are AWD, how is the sportwagon not more practical than the hatch?

(Tight parking could be a reason I suppose)

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
6 days ago

Size is part of it, but mostly the associated costs – purchase price, insurance, fuel efficiency, and most notably (or notoriously) maintenance costs.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
6 days ago

All VW has to do is make better cars. If they can’t do that, then rebadge Hondas and Toyotas that we don’t get over here.

The only good VW cars are Skodas we don’t get here, and maybe the crazy shit from Brazil. Too bad we never got the Up!

Buddybears
Buddybears
6 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Well, they haven’t made good cars in a long time, if ever.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
6 days ago

Who are the dudes with Yoko in the top image?

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
6 days ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

There it is. Yoko breaks up another band.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
6 days ago

Do we have to pay for the upkeep? If not Bugatti and if so still Bugatti and I would sell it and live a better life by paying off my house and putting the money towards an early retirement hah.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
6 days ago

Bugatti is technically no longer a brand in the stable (since a week or two)

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
5 days ago

Oh really? Damn well technically a used one would still have been a VW hah

Data
Data
6 days ago

TBQ: Can I go take something out of the VW museum? I’d like a minty Karmann Ghia cabriolet, please.

Njd
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Njd
6 days ago

If I have to pay for maintenance: A6 Avant
If I don’t have to pay for maintenence: RS6 Avant

Dr. Dan
Dr. Dan
6 days ago
Reply to  Njd

You can do oil changes topside on the EA825 so easy diy, but the brake parts pricing are astronomical!

Last edited 6 days ago by Dr. Dan
Eggsalad
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Eggsalad
6 days ago

I had an almost-new Jetta last year as an Alamo rental. While it was a perfectly cromulent rental, there was absolutely nothing there that would make me choose it over a Corolla, if I was shopping for a compact sedan (which I’m not.)

With the exception of fanbois, I don’t know who is choosing to buy Volkswagen vehicles. I don’t see anything compelling in their current US offerings. Even if I was looking for a hot hatch, I’d pick a GR Corolla over a GTI or Golf R.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
6 days ago

VW Group includes Ducati, so I’ll take a Scrambler thx. The Desmo450 and the various road bikes are high-performance bikes and I am a low-performance rider.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 days ago
Reply to  Gubbin

You could double-up your VW points with the Ducati Paginale Lamborghini or Diavel Bentley two-brand crossovers.

Interestingly, I just noticed the SuperSport is no longer on their website. Shame, but I guess it really didn’t stand out as a unique model in the lineup.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
6 days ago

TBQ- (checks to see if you can still get a Golf R) Yup. Golf R.

Suss6052
Suss6052
6 days ago

It’s kind of cheating since VW doesn’t actually sell the Amarok here, but as the current one is basically a Ford Ranger wearing a VW badge I’d take either the 2.7L Ecoboost V6 or the 3.0L Ranger raptor and call it a day. Otherwise no current VW products for me thanks. Too unreliable

Church
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Church
6 days ago

The Model X is also a car that was produced.

I actually lol’d. Got ’em.

Njd
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Njd
6 days ago
Reply to  Church

I’ll always remember the model X as being the car that got a tiny bit of self awareness from Musk, saying that he regretted being so adamant about the gullwing doors because reality got in the way of what he thought was cool. This was right before announcing the Cybertruck iirc, for whatever that’s worth.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 days ago
Reply to  Njd

Elon does seem to get upset at reality getting in the way of what he thought.

Clark B
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Clark B
6 days ago
Reply to  Njd

I will never forget, shortly after launch, seeing a shiny and new Model X driving through town with the gullwings wrapped in plastic wrap to keep them closed.

Autonerdery
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Autonerdery
6 days ago
Reply to  Clark B

You should have seen the poor lot attendant trying to tie a Christmas tree to the (all glass, of course) roof of a Model X when we went to get our tree this past December. We talked to him afterward; the buyer had insisted on getting a tree with a stand, which was going to whack their windshield as soon as they went over a bump or hit a pothole, and for some reason she had driven all the way from Berkeley to Alameda (two towns over, and generally a very slow, not at all smooth drive) to get this tree.

And, of course, those stupid doors were going haywire due to the obstruction on the roof.

Data
Data
6 days ago
Reply to  Njd

Weren’t they Falcon Wing Doors? I think Elon has a thing for Falcons and X.

BB 2 wheels > 4
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BB 2 wheels > 4
6 days ago

Oh VW. Such a bright spot in enthusiasts hearts. Be it a bug, notchback, transporter or the scirocco and GTI. Almost all automotive enthusiasts have a VW story that they remember with glee. I know I have many. Now you offer the Atlas, a GTI with NO MANUAL OPTION, or a sporty Jetta. Is it not obvious what has been lost? Where is the joy? Where is the fun? VW was an enthusiast brand. Pour one out, because a real volkswagen don’t need no coolant.

Lincoln Clown CaR
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Lincoln Clown CaR
6 days ago

The ones that do need coolant seem hellbent on purging it.

Clark B
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Clark B
6 days ago

I’ve been a huge VW fan for nearly all of my life. I was obsessed with Beetles as a kid and got a ’72 Super Beetle when I was 11. I still have it today, 22 years later. First daily driver was a GTI, I owned a CC after that and now I’m driving a 2014 Sportwagen TDI. All my VWs were/are manuals, an option I appreciated having.

But now…I can’t think of a single new VW sold in the US that I would want. The GTI and Golf R are cool and all, but are a bit too techy on the inside and no manual option. I understand not offering a manual on regular cars, but it should absolutely be an option in your hot hatch. If I remember correctly, nearly 50% of GTIs sold in the US were manuals before they killed that option. Yes I know the GLI exists but it just looks too bloated for me, and I’ve never been able to warm up to its looks.

It’s a bummer because I remember the huge online communities dedicated to water-cooled VWs. When I visit them now for DIY instructions, those forums are ghost towns with dead picture links.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
6 days ago

Although I totally respect the air-cooled dubs, they’re before my time, so I can’t hate on watercooled ones. I mean, if Porsche had to let it go…

That said, I fully agree with the opinion that preceded the final statement (likely said in jest).

VW had a clear identity in the US + CDN markets, quite different from their European Toyota-esque boringness. Our lack of any other affordable euro option made VW the default choice. (Or if someone really wanted a diesel) Being German, they were de facto a better handling car, had interesting features, simple but refined design, generally spartan but quality interiors. They were their own thing. They HAD a thing!

I also came of age and venerated the Piëch-upscaleness. MK4s were a league ahead any other compact, in particular the interior. And look at them now…. It’s been a sad decline, with occasional glimpses of hope. And we seldom ever get the actual European handling… *smh*

BB 2 wheels > 4
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BB 2 wheels > 4
5 days ago

The aircooled VWs were certainly before my time as well. But my dad purchased a 73 convertible when I was around 10 for a cheap beater and thats exactly what it was. Then my brother bought a VW powered sand car, so I was raised in the anti coolant church.
You are spot on with the superior interior and fit and finish from the factory as well as having a schtick.
It is funny how VW US had a different persona than VW AG. I wish VW well, but they certainly wouldn’t and haven’t listened to any of my advice lol

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