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The Mood At Volkswagen Of America Is Reportedly So Bad That Someone Is Nostalgic For Dieselgate

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There’s a long interview this morning in a German business newspaper with the head of Scout Motors, and it is dense with information. Some of it is pretty well known, like that 87% of deposit holders opted for the extended-range hybrid. The fact that Scout is considering an IPO wasn’t, I believe, previously disclosed, although it makes sense.

Most other outlets seem to be running with the IPO news, but The Morning Dump is more concerned with the vibes at Volkswagen Group of America. The vibes, the article alleges, are not good. A lack of compelling product, a bunch of losses, and leadership changes have taken a toll. Of course, Scout remains a potential bright spot, but that’s a quasi-separate company.

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The mood is probably better at the office of the California Attorney General after getting a large settlement from GM following the illegal release of driving behavior and information to third-party firms. Up the road in Fremont, I presume a sort of bittersweet feeling pervades as Tesla produces the last Model S and Model X models.

The mother of all bummers has hit the Chinese market as higher gas prices haven’t resulted in enough electric car sales to counteract the drop in ICE-powered vehicles. Do Chinese consumer just not want to buy as many cars anymore?

What Does Volkswagen Have To Be Excited About?

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I feel the strong need to preface every discussion of VW with the admission that there are numerous Volkswagen fans amongst our staff and readership, to say nothing of all the VWs that Jason and Mercedes own. Perhaps we’re collectively harder on the company’s decision-making because of this affection.

Or, maybe, VW is just a mess.

If you’re not a Handlesblatt subscriber, it’s a German business newspaper that’s sort of like The Wall Street Journal. The publication has a long feature out today about Scout that includes an interview with former VW Group of America/current Scout CEO Scott Keogh.

The scuttlebutt is that a public offering is an option, which is basically always an option:

Keogh says that external capital is “an option on the table”: Scout was deliberately built as an independent entity – with the possibility of bringing in external investors or strategic partners. Keogh refers to US investment funds that are specifically focused on “the industrial renaissance,” the revival of the USA, without naming any specific names.

There’s also a fun scene in the article wherein the governor of South Carolina trains to paint a car using a simulator and is told he’s too slow. Other than the IPO bit, a lot of this is a restatement of what is already known, which is that the C-Suite in VW HQ is extremely committed to Scout, especially as a way to make profits in the United States to counteract weakness in China.

While is all of this attention being paid to Scout? What about the many other Volkswagen brands for sale in the United States?

VW representatives in North America paint a bleak picture. The mood within the company is “worse than during the diesel scandal,” says one. Back then, the company at least still had solid revenues. Today, cash flow is lacking. Among the things that have been lost are the spirit of optimism in Wolfsburg, “the drive to move forward.”

The network of numerous brands and the complexity within the group has increased even further, says another US manager. Navigating this and remaining innovative is the real challenge. The cacophony of the many brands is particularly problematic when cost-cutting measures are simultaneously required.

Yeoch. The sense I get from most reporting on Volkswagen, as well as from people in various parts of the larger group, is that the fallout from the company’s awkward post-Dieselgate shift into electrification is far from over.

The company and its brands have to simultaneously create a bunch of new products, find ways to build those in the context of tariffs, and also somehow save money. This is more acute in America, where brands like Audi and Volkswagen are expected to bring in profits and yet don’t have a lot of new products to show for it.

For Volkswagen the brand, this is mostly a refreshed Atlas, which is a popular-ish SUV that’s made in America, and the Tiguan, which is made in Mexico.

When brands are in this situation, they can sometimes get creative, and it would be nice to see VW try something more than just extended the lifespan of existing platforms with mild refreshes. Super-light, high power GTI when?

GM Has To Pay $12.75 Million To Settle Consumer Data Violations

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The purported benefit of having a connected car is that it can make your life better through data. Certainly, a car automatically calling for help when you crash is a great feature. Less beneficial, though, is when your car rats on you to insurance agencies, causing your insurance costs to go up.

Automakers want to make money off of all this data they have about you, but the way that some went about it raised huge privacy issues. Most of the automakers involved at least temporarily backed off data sharing to third parties who then sold that data to insurance agencies.

It turns out that California has specific laws about this sort of thing, and GM violated them, which means GM has to pay. From the California AG’s office:

“General Motors sold the data of California drivers without their knowledge or consent and despite numerous statements reassuring drivers that it would not do so. This trove of information included precise and personal location data that could identify the everyday habits and movements of Californians,” said Attorney General Rob Bonta. “Today’s settlement requires General Motors to abandon these illegal practices and underscores the importance of the data minimization in California’s privacy law — companies can’t just hold on to data and use it later for another purpose. I am proud to go to bat for the privacy rights of Californians and to collaborate with state and local partners who share the same commitment to consumer protection.”

GM will pay $12.75 million in civil penalties and is banned from selling that data for five years and must request that the brokers Verisk and LexisNexis delete that information. The company also released a statement to Automotive News in response:

“This agreement addresses Smart Driver, a product we discontinued in 2024, and reinforces steps we’ve taken to strengthen our privacy practices,” a GM spokesperson said in a statement. “Vehicle connectivity is central to a modern and safe driving experience, which is why we’re committed to being clear and transparent with our customers about our practices and the choices and control they have over their information.”

By comparison, Honda paid less than $700k to settle its claims with the state.

Here’s The Last Model S And The Last Model X

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It’s been known for a while that Tesla would stop making the Model S, which ran for 14 years, and the Model X, which was produced for 11. The last vehicles, which cost about $160,000, are recognizable for their Garnet Red paint, gold badging, and other touches. Both Signature Edition models are Plaid with the high-end Luxe Package.

The photo above shows the last Model S and Model X ever built.

I remember when the Model S came along, and it’s hard to overstate how important it was. Some of have made the argument that it’s the most important vehicle since the Model T and, yeah, that’s probably correct. The Model X is also a car that was produced.

Chinese Car Sales Dropped 21.5% In April

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As far as countries facing an energy crisis go, you’d think that China would be in a better position than most. It has huge reserves and a massive EV car industry. Still, higher gas prices sent car purchases down 21.5% year-over-year in April. Even ‘New Energy Vehicles’ (PHEVs, EREVs, and EVs) saw a decline of 6.8%, which is somewhat counterintuitive.

While this does mean that NEVs now have a penetration rate of more than 60%, which is a record, it leads to a lot of other tough questions.

Per Bloomberg:

The industry had hoped for a recovery starting from April but sales in the first four months of the year contracted 18.5%. The extended slump signals a worrying indicator for the Chinese economy as a whole, as cars make up one of the largest household purchases after real estate.

“Why have consumers suddenly stopped buying cars? There are mostly two factors,” said Li Yanwei, an advisor to the China Automobile Dealers Association. The slowing economy has led to job losses and falling wages that dampened spending, while the surge in oil prices has hit the stock market and sentiment, Li said.

Auto-related purchases as a portion of retail consumption in China fell to 7.8% in the first quarter, the lowest level in at least five years.

Is this going to be a drop in NEV sales roughly shared across all brands, or will more mainstream brands get hurt worse? Data just came out from Tesla, which shows a 10% drop, which is very different from the purported 36% increase in sales.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I may have implied last week that men were not making interesting country music lately, and Griffin pointed out the existence of Sturgill Simpson. Ok. Fair. There’s at least one. Please enjoy “Sing Along” and the cool, car-centric video for it.

The Big Question

You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver. What are you picking?

Top photo: VW

 

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*Jason*
*Jason*
6 days ago

Car: Taycan GTS Sport Turismo
Bike: Multistrada V4 RS

Since someone else is paying the bill I might as well spring for those super overpriced special editions.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 days ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if GM made more than the fine in selling the data.

Cransberry
Cransberry
6 days ago

Nothing new from VW. They messed up in the 90s by trying to go upmarket. Fun and cheap now belongs to the Koreans. And I think that’s deserved. N series cars from Hyundai, the design language of Kias, and the luxury of Genesis are running laps around the Germans across the board.

Bkp
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Bkp
6 days ago

Daily driver? A two-tone (blue) ID Buzz would be fine for my commute. For the weekends, I’ve always wanted to try a Ducati. Too many “drivers” not paying attention to really want to commute on a motorcycle again.

Drunken Bum
Drunken Bum
6 days ago

I keep wondering if VW will be around in ten years. Of course they will, yet I keep wondering about that. And I wonder how long Scout will be a going concern. How about some hybrids in the lineup fer crying out loud?

William Domer
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William Domer
6 days ago

VW Jetta with a manual. I’m not in a hurry, I don’t give a fuck about an ego car, I like the Jetta,we had one in the 80’s, and if it doesn’t have to be new, I want a late version beetle convertible in orange.

Quadrifoglioaholic
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Quadrifoglioaholic
6 days ago
Reply to  William Domer

You don’t need to settle for a pedestrian Jetta; Unlike the newer GTI mk8.5, you can still get a GLI with a 6MT.

The difference in price for what you get makes it a great bang for your buck.

Hoser68
Hoser68
6 days ago

OK, I went to VW.uk.

Two vehicles stood out for me.

  1. For just needing a commuter, the id.Polo or id.3 Neo would work.
  2. For my all of life thing, a PHEV Multivan would be what I would want.

HOWEVER….

Looking at the prices of VW products online in the US, I keep hearing a buzz followed by a Sad Tuba song. Even with rebates. “I’m sorry, the price is not right.” VW needs to fix this before I would be interested in them.

With that being said, I am kinda sorta looking at id.4s. The reviews are pretty positive, the car seems to have good enough range, plenty of room and gets good enough reviews. I see them having fairly low prices without too many miles. However, saying “the only thing that interests me about it is that it holds value like a sieve” isn’t exactly driving me towards shopping for a new VW product.

Hoser68
Hoser68
6 days ago

Chinese car sales.

The Chinese car market doubled in the 2000s, Then Doubled again in the 2010s. The number of cars on Chinese roads has gone from under 100 million to over 400 million as a result.

In 1946, there were about 28 million cars on American roads. By 1956, there were 58 million. Over double in 10 years. So following the same pattern as China has for 20+ years with doubling cars every 10 years.

In the US, there was a cultural shift about cars. “Keeping up with the Jones” was a driving thing for cars. You had a 51, your neighbor just got a 55 that was a different shape, had more chrome, tail fins and all sorts of stuff that told the world that it was a new car. So suddenly, you felt like your 4 year old car was getting long in the tooth and started shopping for a 56 to put Mr Jones in his place.

Humans are humans regardless of language and culture. I’m sure in China there is a similar thing going on, with Chinese manufacturers making more and more high tech vehicles to try to take this human impulse.

So back to America. From 1946-1956, cars went from 1 car for every 9 Americans to 1 car for every 3. Then it took about 30-40 years for the per-capita cars to triple again (it was around the mid-00s that we got to approximately 1 car per person).

Interesting in China, this likely recession (if it hasn’t been declared one yet, I would be shocked if it isn’t declared one soon) is happening just as the Chinese have around 1 car per every 3 people.

Humans being Humans, I wonder if the speed of car growth in China will slow down like it did in America.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
6 days ago

The only “new” VW I want is the Buzz but ONLY gas (I would HEMI swap? Ha ha) None of that EV junk on fire. Swap it from a boring useless appliance into a real and fun VW BUS! Maybe even turn it into a camper (That’s the ONLY way the batteries would be useful to me: for camper “house” power; not direct propulsion- everyone says it doesn’t have enough range anyway! Plus how awesome it would be to have a Buzz like that) I really like how the new ones look especially the two-tones

Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
6 days ago

Lamborghini Sterrato

Panzycake
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Panzycake
6 days ago

Hmm, from the current lineup, definitely an ID Buzz. However, if they decide to bring back the beetle as an electric 2 door with at least 200 miles of range, I may even actually buy one.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
6 days ago

Why do I suddenly have the song On* by MC Chris playing on a loop in my head now?

Alter Id
Alter Id
6 days ago

A Turismo (Cross or Sport, if they still have the latter) Taycan or Panamera might be fun, but it also might feel too big after thirty-plus years in C-segment dailies. Ditto with the RS6 Avant, and anyway I’m too boring for anything as fun as those. So I guess a Macan Electric, unless there’s something a little more squashed and also more competent than the ID.4 (I don’t drive much, but I don’t know if I could accept the range limits of an ID.Buzz, even if I’d never test them.)

I think the Scout will put smiles on the faces of many automotive enthusiasts, because if VW is putting this amount of attention and commitment into it, its debut will coincide with the immediate collapse of consumer interest in any kind of SUV (real or ersatz) on the market; and two-doors, from roadsters to sports couples coupés to personal luxury barges, will once again rule the market.

Last edited 6 days ago by Alter Id
Strangek
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Strangek
6 days ago

I think there’s plenty of good country music being made by the fellas these days, maybe most of them just don’t crack the mainstream much. Sturgill would be one of them, although you don’t hear much country out of him of late. Charlie Crockett, Billy Strings (more bluegrass, but still), Lukas Nelson, Tyler Childers, Nick Shoulders, Colter Wall, Daniel Donato, Zach Top, The Deslondes are all in my regular rotation as of late.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
6 days ago

“General Motors sold the data of California drivers without their knowledge or consent and despite numerous statements reassuring drivers that it would not do so. “

I am completely unsurprised by this.

“I remember when the Model S came along, and it’s hard to overstate how important it was.”

Not to mention how threatened the rest of the auto industry felt (especially BMW, Mercedes and Audi) by the Model S.

The irrational hate (because they had nothing that came close) was real.

“You can have any car or bike that any Volkswagen Group brand currently sells in the United States, but you have to use it as a daily driver. What are you picking?”

Assuming I’m not paying for it, I’d get a Taycan GTS Sport Turismo in Purple Sky Metallic

Last edited 6 days ago by Manwich Sandwich
Strangek
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Strangek
6 days ago

My first thought was GTI or Golf R, but I’d want a manual and none of the haptic button nonsense, so I guess that’s out? Maybe I’ll go EV and get a Taycan?

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
6 days ago
Reply to  Strangek

You know, you can can get a Taycan as a wagon?

And did you know you can also get it in Purple Sky Metallic?

Strangek
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Strangek
6 days ago

I would demand the Taycan wagon, they look great. As long as we’re going down that road, I may as well paint to sample too!

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
6 days ago
Reply to  Strangek

Who needs any other colour when you have Purple Sky Metallic?

Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
6 days ago

Or mamba green

Mark Nielsen
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Mark Nielsen
6 days ago
Reply to  Alpscarver

Or … Ipanema Blue Metallic. ????

M SV
M SV
6 days ago

Chinese economy has been on the rocks for a few years now. It’s always hard to know the true story when it comes to China. But by most accounts sans the official one things are getting worse. Tesla was able to drive sales in China though free or cheap money in the past that’s not really going to do too much anymore. If the chery, gwm, byd or one of the other value automakers did maybe some movement but unless the Chinese government or government owned banks does something for that to occur it won’t.

If a vag product was given to me I guess a Cayenne. I don’t trust any of the their us spec engines but the 2.0 t seems sort of ok. Their bevs seem to hold up better but still plagued with various vag issues.

PlatinumZJ
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PlatinumZJ
6 days ago

I saw two ID Buzzes on the road this weekend! The two-tone paint style definitely looks better; the solid color version is surprisingly easy to ignore. I would be willing to daily one if VW gave it to me.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
6 days ago
Reply to  PlatinumZJ

I would 100% get an ID Buzz if it’s MSRP was in the 30’s. Sadly, at twice that I’m wayyy out. Even the used examples on the market haven’t depreciated that much yet.

Dottie
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Dottie
6 days ago

Assuming all I have to pay for is gas/charging, Don’t mind the dozen 2x4s hanging out of a Bentley Continental GTC lol.

Johnny Ohio
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Johnny Ohio
6 days ago

TBQ: Porsche Panamera. Volkswagen sucks though. If I had to describe them as on a whole it would be the color grey.

05LGT
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05LGT
6 days ago

911 turbo S with all the sides. I’d daily the heck out of a “can have” one of those.

05LGT
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05LGT
6 days ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

I envy that drive. Did it have the PASM? I want to make sure I’m unrealistically fantasizing about the right build….

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
6 days ago

Probably a GTI in blue. I guess. The current GTI and Jetta are fine, but could really use a shot in the arm.

Their SUVs are like automotive melatonin. I have no interest in those.

I live 40+ miles from an Audi dealer, so no thanks to that lifestyle.

4jim
4jim
6 days ago

“automotive melatonin” Perfect!

AutoTea
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AutoTea
6 days ago

“Drops” in Chinese car sales will be ubiquitous this year, but also inaccurate, due to inflated sales from previous years. Figures have historically been over-reported by the automakers because of government incentives for increasing production and sales. This made the auto industry in China look good, so the government let that go for a while. But it finally got so bad last year that the Chinese government stepped in to tame the practices that were being used to pad those numbers.

Last edited 6 days ago by AutoTea
Frank C.
Frank C.
6 days ago
Reply to  AutoTea

China is experiencing the same issues of economic uncertainty caused by our latest oil war, with its growing influence upon the entirety of the planet. This event is weighing heavily on their economy as well.

AutoTea
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AutoTea
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank C.

Oh, yeah, no question. Their previous fudging-the-numbers isn’t the entire reason why reported sales are down. They are also actually down. Sorry if the comment gave a different impression.

M SV
M SV
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank C.

It’s a bit worse then that. It’s been economic uncertainty there for years. Though there are people saying this housing correction in the us will be bigger then 08. It could be because the bubble never deflated enough and didn’t really pop in most markets. The huge bubble markets have seen some relief. But the Chinese have had massive real estate issues similar to 08 a few years ago. Then other issues with oversupply in many industries because globally people stopped buying as much from the bubble years. There is even several theories that the Chinese population is about half what they claim.
The current oil price is just more pressure on that already fragile economy. Plastics that china uses for just about everything doubled in price or more overnight. Many in that industry have razor thin margins made up in volume. It’s killing many of the smaller companies. As it’s probably cheaper to send actual rice to Africa now instead of plastic rice.

I’m trying
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I’m trying
6 days ago

I think the gli’s are the only way to get a manual in a vw group car now? Eh. If they still own Ducati or ktm I’d take whatever dual sport has the best wind protection. Hard for me to care enough to look and see what brands they own?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
6 days ago
Reply to  I’m trying

Porsche still has manuals but even they’re getting thin

I’m trying
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I’m trying
6 days ago

lol man I guess I even forgot that Porsche was still under the umbrella after the ipo. I guess I’d take a 911t. It’ll hold more duffel bags and have more rain protection than a motorcycle.

05LGT
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05LGT
6 days ago

VW is missing that time they were messing around and would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for those pesky kids, but not liking the part later where they find out that the buyers they were caught lying to aren’t invested in their BS anymore? I don’t think whistfully reminiscing about how much more fun it was to lie, cheat and steal is the way back from the lack of trust they find themselves mired in.

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