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My Supposedly Reliable Toyota Broke On Me Again And Now I Hate This Car So Much I Want To Set It On Fire

Scion Iq Trouble Ts

I have spent much of my car enthusiast career telling people who need reliable transportation to just buy a Toyota, Honda, or maybe a Mazda if they’re feeling spicy. Generally, these brands have a good reputation for selling cars that just work. So, when my wife told me that she wanted a Smart Fortwo as her daily, I immediately steered her away. Instead, we thought we found a good alternative in the Scion iQ, a car that was designed to be better than a Smart in every way, and from a brand that usually doesn’t mess around with dependability. Unfortunately, it seems we got a bad example, because this car has been a nightmare, a thorn in my backside, and now an item living rent-free in my head. I want nothing more than to see this car out of my life, but as a final middle finger to me, the car broke again just as I was trying to sell it.

My wife, Sheryl, bought her 2012 Scion iQ in late 2023, and it seemed like a solid decision. The BMW E39 wagon that we bought from The Autopian‘s secret designer, the Bishop, was sickly after she drove it a very hard 40,000 miles in a single year. Meanwhile, one of our friends destroyed the Toyota Prius we loaned them by ramming a deer at 60 mph with it.

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Sheryl really wanted a Smart Fortwo, but I shot that down because, while Smarts are capable of hitting over 300,000 miles, I know those cars like to break in bewildering ways. She took my advice and decided to get another Toyota. After all, while our Prius was terribly boring to drive, it was the most bulletproof car that we owned. In what seemed like a stroke of genius, Sheryl decided that she’d get the Toyota version of a Smart, the Scion iQ. Sure, it has a Scion badge on it, but this is a Toyota, and one built to be better than a Smart in every conceivable way. I approved of the purchase. It was a Toyota; what could go wrong? After 70,000 hard miles, a lot, apparently.

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If you’re new to my series of articles on the Scion iQ, I’ll try to make the backstory on why I hate this car pretty quick. If you’re a regular reader, skip ahead!

A Short Honeymoon

At first, the iQ was everything we needed it to be. Everyone thought it was cute and novel. Many people didn’t even know that Toyota built a Smart-like car. Most just assumed it was a Smart. The car also seemed rather solid. It had 67,000 miles on the clock, and the only problems we had were with the car’s steel wheels bending after hitting Chicago-style potholes. Mechanically? It was solid. We trusted the iQ so much that, in 2024, we drove most of Route 66 in it.

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But it was during the return drive from Route 66 that our first problem began to crop up. The first was a terrible CVT whine just as we were making headway around the Grand Canyon. The iQ sounded like it had a massive supercharger on it, and transmission response became a bit sluggish. We replaced the CVT juice after getting home, and the whine went away … for 10,000 miles.

The whine now comes back every 10,000 miles, and then gets loud by 20,000 miles. We then replace the fluid and start the process all over again. The local Toyota dealers and the few local independent mechanics willing to work on the car say the CVT is unrepairable, and that the CVT will basically either blow up tomorrow or last the rest of the life of the car. Either way, when it dies, the fix is to replace the whole thing.

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Our biggest complaint during the Route 66 expedition was that the car didn’t have cruise control. While Smart offered factory cruise control for its city car, Toyota did not. But the aftermarket picked up the slack, and so we got a cruise control unit installed. It then failed less than a year later, causing non-stop limp modes and then eventually taking the throttle-by-wire accelerator pedal with it. By my count, the pedal then died two or three more times, and the cruise control unit died one more time. I lost count. Weirdly, the third cruise control unit has been working flawlessly.

To be fair to Toyota, this isn’t a fault of the car’s design or dependability. The cruise control was a poorly-made aftermarket part, and it took three tries to get one that wasn’t faulty.

It’s Tiring To Work On

Toyota had to engineer new, scaled-down components, and then decided to stack them in the engine bay. Honestly, it’s pretty brilliant how Toyota scaled everything down and fit it in there. I’m still impressed every time I open the hood, which is frequently, unfortunately. Working on a Smart is relatively straightforward. Spark plugs on a Smart? Give me 10 minutes. But on the iQ? In order to fit four seats into a space barely larger than a Smart, Toyota had to get weird with packaging.

The result of that engineering is that maintenance sort of just sucks. Want to change the spark plugs? Cool, remove the windshield wipers, cowl, header panel, the airbox, and the intake manifold. It took us an hour to get to the plugs. One of the whole points of buying a tiny car is that it’s supposed to be cheap and easy to operate. The official spark plug replacement process in an iQ takes so long that local Toyota dealers quote $800 for the job. Ouch! The car is also so obscure that some local mechanics won’t touch it.

But wait, there’s more! Sheryl and I have been fighting a losing battle against rust. This car has lived its entire life in salt states, and that’s bad enough for any car. But worse is how the iQ’s design seemingly invites corrosion. The rear wheel wells have shelves in them that are exposed to the elements and will collect a mountain of road salt if you do not clean them regularly. It seems like there should have been a liner of some sort here, like there is up front, but there aren’t any missing parts. This car shipped new like this.

I’ve also found rust peppering the engine bay, the front subframe, and even hidden under weather seals. I wish I could find the post, but a couple of years ago, I saw an image on Reddit of a Toyota iQ in Japan or Europe with a totally rotted left side rocker. Here’s a thread at the Independent Toyota Owners’ Club showing some impressive underbody rust on one iQ. I can’t say I’m the least bit surprised.

Then there was the fuel economy. The feds say that the iQ should get 37 mpg on the highway. This is true with our example, right until we decide to exceed 75 mph. If we keep up with the rest of traffic, fuel economy dips into the high 20s.

Yet, the most devastating part about the iQ was the weathering of its image. Back in 2023 and 2024, everyone loved the iQ. Then, gradually, everyone began turning on it. In time, the same people who said that the iQ is so cute began hating it with a passion. It wasn’t just random people either, but my wife’s clients, judges, and opposing counsel all began trashing the car. Clients stopped paying her, opposing counsel stopped taking her seriously, and judges even chastised her. One person said that, by driving the iQ, Sheryl was engaging in “performative poverty.” What does that even mean? My own mom even claimed to have lost some respect for my wife.

All the body parts that need to come off just to change the spark plugs.

In February of this year, I gave Sheryl my 2012 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen TDI, and it was an instant upgrade. She’s been getting paid more, has been scoring more settlements, my mom is happy again, and there have been absolutely zero complaints. She’s even been scoring a steady 45 mpg, and the car has zero issues to report. She loves the ride comfort, the quieter cabin, the heated seats, the cargo volume, and, of course, the style. The VeeDub has even been cheaper to run, despite the higher cost of diesel. I somewhat recently bulletproofed the car with a new timing belt, new dual-mass flywheel, new water pump, and flushed cooling system.

Unsurprisingly, Sheryl has not driven or even touched the iQ since February. She’s run so far from the car, even, that she signed the title over to me. This pile of junk is officially my problem now. I’ve been driving it every now and then basically out of pity. But even then, I never drive it longer than 30 minutes or so around town.

The Car Is Giving Me A Huge Middle Finger

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Recently, I reached the point of deciding to sell the iQ. I want to open up some space to potentially get a first-generation Audi TT, a Volkswagen Eos, or an Audi A2. My parents, who are tired of dumping fuel into their Ford F-350 and GMC Yukon XL, want the iQ as a cheap going-to-town rig. But I also decided to open the floor for anyone to buy it. Allegedly, the private party value for this car is something like $4,500. But factoring in the rust, the whiny transmission, and so on, I figure getting something like $3,500 or maybe $3,000 or whatever would be fair enough. I’m always open to negotiation.

Problem is, I can’t actually sell this pile right now. Right before I listed the car for sale, I decided to drive it to the beach. I wanted one last adventure with the little guy. About 30 minutes into the drive, I would stop at a red light and, after maybe 30 seconds of idling, the RPM would randomly take a few hundred-revolution dip, but only for a second or two. As I continued, these dips became more pronounced. By around the 45-minute mark or so, the dips would come on multiple times every few seconds. If enough of them hit at once, the engine would just stall out entirely. I have to keep my foot on the gas pedal to keep the engine alive at a light.

The issue isn’t limited to idle. If I cross that 30-minute threshold while on the move, it starts off with a very faint, almost imperceptible hiccup in the driveline. Then, as time goes on, the hiccups become heavier. By 45-ish minutes, the engine begins jerking somewhat violently. It feels almost like the car loses all fuel, but just for a second. Or maybe that a cylinder stops working entirely, but only for a second. After that second, the car recovers and drives like normal for maybe 20 seconds, then does it again.

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At first, I thought it was fuel-related. The car was last fueled up in February, so maybe it was bad gas? So, I drained the fuel and topped the car up with fresh gas. This made exactly no change.

When I told Sheryl about this behavior, she reminded me that, even after replacing the spark plugs and coil packs, the car had a somewhat rough idle. Indeed, the car never shut down, and the idle hiccups were never greater than 100 RPM. I figured that, maybe, we accidentally introduced an air leak when futzing around with the intake manifold? The issue was minor enough that it was easy to ignore.

But now the issue cannot be ignored. I cannot sell this car in this condition. I wasn’t even positive I was going to make it home from the beach. I cannot in good conscience let someone drive away in this thing. The infuriating thing is that the issue simply won’t occur until after at least 30 minutes of driving. Try as I might, I cannot get the issue to show up before 30 minutes. The car drives flawlessly until after the 30-minute mark. So I have to invest some real time just to troubleshoot it.

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But I also have no idea what’s going on here. I hooked up my scanner and found zero codes. The car doesn’t seem to care that it can’t idle and that it jerks while moving. It even gets 40 mpg between the shudders and jerking.

Long before I started writing about cars, I fixed broken IT equipment. The first step was often to undo any recent changes. A part of me wants to reinstall the old coil packs. They worked just fine. I replaced them prophylactically, thinking it would prevent a future owner or me from having to yank off that intake manifold for a long time. But I also don’t want to tear down the front end again in this summer heat.

One possibility pitched to me by a Toyota mechanic contact was that, maybe, one of the car’s injectors was beginning to go. Sometimes, he told me, injectors will act fine until heated up, then start failing. At the same time, he said, a bad coil might also operate fine until heated up.

So, I’m just not sure where to start here. I want to at least try to diagnose the issue before firing the parts cannon. I dusted off my old Autel deep diagnostic scanner and will hook that up, but honestly, I’m not entirely sure what I’m looking for. But I’m sure at least some of you have dealt with an issue like this before, so I’m hoping to get some great pointers.

A Fire Seems Like A Good Solution Right Now

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One thing is for sure, and it’s that I now harbor some ill will towards this car. If a tree fell on it tomorrow, I would dance in the streets. If it randomly caught on fire, I’d feel like some deity lifted some weight off my shoulders. Sheryl says that she doesn’t regret buying the car. It taught her a lot about what she actually wants in a car. It also served its purpose of getting her back on wheels during a bad time. I regret this car. I’m pretty sure I’ve written more articles about this little terror than anything else in my fleet.

Some time ago, I said I never want to buy a Volkswagen Passat TDI again. That happened after owning four of them in a row, and all of them broke in hilariously stupid ways. I don’t even want to touch another Scion iQ for a very long time. To be fair to this car, there are iQs out there with over 300,000 miles and no issues. It seems we just got a bad one, then made it worse with that stupid cruise control. But that doesn’t make me dislike the little paperweight less than I currently do.

I will fix it out of spite, then it’s getting listed for sale the minute I find out the car’s okay. They say that the best days of boat ownership are when you buy it and when you sell it. As it turns out, that applies to this exact Scion iQ, too. Before I set this thing on fire, what should I do to diagnose and fix it?

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Steve Wilson
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Steve Wilson
3 months ago

My best advice: Try one or two of the suggestions here that are easy and cheap. If they don’t fix it, list the car at a lower price with full disclosure of the issue and just get it gone. Or donate it to your NPR station. Life is too busy to spend much time working on a cheap car you hate.

Disphenoidal
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Disphenoidal
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve Wilson

Nobody on their deathbed: “I wish I had gotten that POS car I hated working.”

Autonerdery
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Autonerdery
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve Wilson

This. I was in a similar situation last year with a BMW E90, every time I thought I was ready to sell the stupid thing, something else would break. At one point, I was hours away from having it sold when it decided to dump all of its coolant. I started the donation process that day, and felt nothing but relief. Could I have used the money I’d have gotten from selling it as a working car? Sure, but not at the expense of my sanity and who knows how much more of my time.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
3 months ago

I agree with your general diagnostic approach and I’m troubleshooting a similar stumbling and misfire on the Z4, though it’s immediate and the car stalls within a minute. It throws code P0010, in addition to all the misfire codes.

I’ve got an intake camshaft actuator solenoid coming tomorrow and I’m hoping that’s what it takes.

Jonathan Green
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Jonathan Green
3 months ago

Fire as a solution?

There’s the old joke about three retired guys at the sauna, talking about their working days.

The first guy says “I had a tire shop, but it caught fire and burned down. I retired off the insurance proceeds.”

The second guy says “I had a furniture store, but it caught fire and burned down. I retired off the insurance proceeds.”

The third guy says “I had a music store, but we had a flood and it destroyed everything. I retired off the insurance proceeds.”

The first guy turns to the second guy and asks “How do you start a flood?”

Paul E
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Paul E
3 months ago

You already know the answer, Mercedes: Lift it and Gambler it.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
3 months ago

I wouldn’t even sell the thing, I’d call the local scrapyard and pay them to haul it away.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
3 months ago

And you aren’t dealing with guilt about passing on the problem!

Pru L
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Pru L
3 months ago

I’ll admit, I’m going to miss reading about this little stinker. But on the other hand, godspeed on selling the curse to an unsuspecting future owner (after fixing the current issue).

No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
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No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
3 months ago

I’ve never worked for the public so mine is a different situation than Sheryl’s, but I really hate the judgment over what you drive. When I lived in L.A. I got so tired of what do you drive being the second or third question after meeting someone that I bought an ’85 Ranger to defiantly answer the question. I’m An Car Guy and I could care less about what you think of my car.

Now I primarily drive a Vibe, but I can also pass for Weird Engineer-y Guy That Likes Cars and Tattoos But For Some Reason Drives An Old Vibe A Lot.

Maybe I just don’t want to drive my Lotus or R107 to Walmart for groceries.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
3 months ago

I don’t quite get that whole judgement thing for the iQ. Maybe I’m oblivious, and while I know people who certainly make fun of each others cars, normally it’s done in a non mean-spirited sort of way? I live in a place (rural Northeast) where ironically the only thing that will result in judgement is a brand new luxury car, lol. They’re often deemed showy and in bad taste. An iQ would get more curiosity and praise than disparagement around here.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 months ago

Yeah, what’s with the clients not paying? What is she, hauling thm around in the back seat?

Madanthony
Madanthony
3 months ago

When I encounter someone who could buy a nicer car but doesn’t, it doesn’t cross my mind that they are somehow cosplaying being poor. I just assume they don’t really care about cars and prefer to spend their money on something else.

I have a coworker who drives a 20 year old Vibe. It’s missing hubcaps and a door handle, and somehow is multiple shades of white. I’m sure he could get something else if he wanted to, but he likes the car and also isn’t a car person.

No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
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No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
3 months ago
Reply to  Madanthony

I am a car person. I just love the functionality and efficiency of the thing.

86-GL
86-GL
3 months ago

I generally try not to judge people on their personal vehicles, but when it becomes a vehicle for work, it’s worth thinking about.

Let’s say you’re gathering quotes to have your roof redone. For a similar price, are you going to hire the crew who shows up in a beat GMT800 with all the panels different colours, or a clean late(ish) model truck or van with clean tools and a tidy interior?

Let’s say you’ve found yourself in some legal trouble that could affect your personal freedom or financial future. Do you want advice from the lawyer who roles up in a 14 year old Scion that won’t idle, or a clean, recent Lexus hybrid?

Food for thought.

Last edited 3 months ago by 86-GL
Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
3 months ago

Since the car she drives doesn’t change her competence or professionalism, it’s more like complaining the burgers were delivered in too plain a bag.

It’s bizarre that her car has such an effect on her cases. But, you two have the unique opportunity to perform a social experiment – see what the strangest press loaners you can send her to work in!

What would have the most success? A Ford F350 King Platinum Nacho Supreme? A violently colored two-seat sports car? A T-Rex? A straight-piped Harley?

Peter d
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Peter d
3 months ago

Hopefully this “house” is on a large piece of land without an HOA or pesky town/county rules….

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 months ago
Reply to  86-GL

The real question is whether the money that paid for those fancier rides was earned with a job better done or from just charging more for the exact same outcome.

No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
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No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
3 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

THIS. I am in such a small town now that EVERYONE I am able to hire is based on someone else’s recommendation. I’ve been here 5 years so I have to trust the lifers in the area to know who the best person for a job is.

Luckily we’ve made some great friends that give good recommendations.

86-GL
86-GL
3 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

As a builder/ contractor I hire a lot of sub trades. Everyone seems to want top dollar for their work, regardless of what they drive. They all come recommended by someone, and it often comes down to a judgement call on our part who is best positioned to deliver on their promises.

I can tell you this- The trades who show up in un-modified, current vehicles are much, much less likely to blow off their obligations or miss deadlines.

Ultimately it shows commitment and dedication to your customers. If your business is operating at a certain level, missed appointments or even a single day of lost productivity (due to unexpected vehicle repairs) becomes more costly in real dollars than the cost to lease or finance a modern vehicle. (Never mind the tax benefits.)
It’s that simple.

End of the day I’m just building cabins in the woods. I can think of no job where missing a date is more critical than being a lawyer.

Last edited 3 months ago by 86-GL
Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 months ago
Reply to  86-GL

I imagine a lawyer who got their clients in further legal trouble because of incompetence would not only lose further clientele but also raise the ire of the court itself and the bar. Of course YMMV, a very bad lawyer might get away with it through nepotism, cronyism, force of personality, the blame game and whatnot. What type of car would you expect such a bad but protected by the system lawyer to drive?

Probably not a shitbox.

Their track record of wins and losses also all a matter of public record so its a lot better to judge them on that rather than on the fanciness of the car they arrive in.

Ev Dave13
Ev Dave13
3 months ago

It is the purge valve or vent valve. Had a similar issue in my 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring GLS. After a fill up, after about a minute, it would start to stumble, and sometimes die (usually when you were trying to start up after a light turned green). No codes. A lot of research turned up the purge valve as a common problem. Mine wouldn’t stick for too long, but was starting to go. About $40 later and a few skinned knuckles (it was behind the engine) and the problem is gone. Sounds like yours (whichever it is, vent and purge valves usually cost about the same) is stuck, causing a vacuum to be developed in the fuel system that the pump struggles to overcome. Next time it starts to stumble, run out and open the gas cap and see if it sucks in a bunch of air and starts doing better. That will confirm it. Some cars set codes for this sort of thing easily, some (like mine) seem to just ignore it.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
3 months ago
Reply to  Ev Dave13

Very good suggestion. I once chased my tail for hours trying to find out why a WRX swapped XT wouldn’t go more than 5 miles on track. Temporarily solved it by drilling a small hole in the gas cap so it wouldn’t develop a vacuum in the tank starving the car of fuel.

Disphenoidal
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Disphenoidal
3 months ago
Reply to  Ev Dave13

This also happened to my lawn mower.

V10omous
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V10omous
3 months ago

One person said that, by driving the iQ, Sheryl was engaging in “performative poverty.” What does that even mean?

It’s saying the quiet part out loud, that we are judged for what our vehicles say about ourselves, and the image we put out to the world. The vehicular expectation of an attorney is a late model luxury car or SUV, because projecting wealth and success is the societal norm for that role.

It might not be fair or right, but its the universal human condition.

Disphenoidal
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Disphenoidal
3 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

I think of it a little differently, not that someone with a certain occupation is “supposed” to have a certain car. Rather, people are—and in my opinion, should be—generally sympathetic to people in poverty. Someone who creates the appearance of it unnecessarily is making a false claim to that sympathy.

V10omous
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V10omous
3 months ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

That’s an interesting angle I hadn’t considered.

Although given the issues with the car, arguably some sympathy actually is warranted.

Last edited 3 months ago by V10omous
Scoutdude
Scoutdude
3 months ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

That was what I was thinking too. Though it does not sound like Cheryl has been making that much money.

Personally I’ve been guilty of being stereotyped as a “poor” many times because of the trucks and some of the cars I drive or used to drive. Personally I do need and use trucks for doing truck things but don’t like driving them for car things. That means I usually buy my trucks at gov’t auctions and then keep them 10 or more years. They are fleet grade and show that they have worked for a living. Meanwhile I’m pretty sure I have a higher household income and net worth than the majority of those people looking down their nose at me in the Home Depot parking lot. I’m certainly not doing it for sympathy, I do it because I’m cheap and I’m not going to spend $50k on a truck to drive 3~4,000 miles per year and don’t care if I drive a “crappy old truck”.

Disphenoidal
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Disphenoidal
3 months ago
Reply to  Scoutdude

No, it does not sound like she has been making that much money. The car probably draws more attention because beyond being a little junky, it’s also not a good fit for someone who needs to cover a lot of highway miles. A crappy old truck is at least fit for purpose of doing truck things.

Live2ski
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Live2ski
3 months ago

time to become a storm chaser and ‘park’ it in the path of a tornado

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
3 months ago

You can sell it as is, just price it correctly for the condition.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
3 months ago

Monitor the air to fuel ratio before and while it’s exhibiting the problem. I had a similar issue once and when working normally I’d be roughly at 12:1 at full throttle and 14ish cruising, but once the car started acting up it shot past the 10:1 the O2 sensor could read. Turned out I had an injector that would frequently get stuck open when hot. (and a nice brand new fully replaced fuel system before I got to that point)

Robert M
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Robert M
3 months ago

For a reliable Toyota get one of the new Tacomas!

Oh wait, dont do that either…

HerrQuattro
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HerrQuattro
3 months ago

Sounds like its time to send it to the pick-&-pull in the sky, where it can valiantly serve on as parts donor for other IQ.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
3 months ago

Somebody should’ve paid better attention in Scions class.

Undecided profile name
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Undecided profile name
3 months ago

Do not sell this car to your parents! Tell them about the problems, then steer them to a nice yaris, Mazda 2 or fit if they want something very small.

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
3 months ago

Yeah, never sell a car to someone you know. In any condition. Even if you’re confident in the car, the transmission will fail a month later.

Phil
Phil
3 months ago

Mercedes, love ya, but let me know when you’ve actually replaced the car. It seems like you’ve been teasing us to make content for a while now.

It’s a 14 year old city microcar, I am unsurprised at the accumulating problems and suboptimal 75mph performance.

You missed your chance to do it right:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-scion-iq-3/

Collector’s edition, baby. This is nobody’s battered sloppy seconds!

Phil
Phil
3 months ago

Collector’s edition!

Yes, the price is nuts. But if you want to rekindle the magic and roll that broken relationship back to 3,000 miles, it’s going to cost.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 months ago

That was still three grand more than a base Yaris!

Skurdnin
Skurdnin
3 months ago

Scrap it. But coil packs can indeed work fine up until a certain temperature and then start shitting the bed.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
3 months ago

Check for a tear/hole in the intake plenum and boots as those can cause those symptoms as there is suddenly a completely different amount of air going into the engine than the MAF sensor is detecting

86-GL
86-GL
3 months ago

Honestly I don’t understand how you still own this albatross.

“So I have to invest some real time just to troubleshoot it.“

Why tho? I understand the desire to triumph over machine, but you gotta know when to call it. The only thing I’d do is pull the aftermarket cruise and see if that fixes the issue.

At least it runs. Just be honest about the issue, and sell it for what it’s worth in its current condition. Let the next buyer sort it out.

Phil
Phil
3 months ago
Reply to  86-GL

“Honestly I don’t understand how you still own this albatross”

Website needs content? Hungry.

This topic has worn out, though.

Last edited 3 months ago by Phil
Phil
Phil
3 months ago

Hey now Mercedes, that was not intended to land as hard as it seems to have. I apologize that it did, I should probably not have been flippant and simply stated that I’m seeing more overlap between these articles than I would personally prefer.

Carry on, I like your content here despite my lack of grace.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
3 months ago

FWIW, I advocate throwing in the towel but don’t resent the iQ stories. It’s a rich, exotic bouquet of failure (on Toyota’s part), a great object lesson in true compact car ownership, an examination of the emotional highs and lows – the relationships – we build with these machines.

I also frequently don’t know when to quit, so I empathize fully with that, too.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 months ago
Reply to  Phil

So has the car, it seems.

Y2Keith
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Y2Keith
3 months ago

Maybe see if SWG is up for a challenge?

86-GL
86-GL
3 months ago

Hey, it’s always easier to give advice than take it. I’ve fixed our clothes dryer twice.

For what it’s worth, I bet that dedication has been responsible for many of the best things and experiences in our lives. That’s what I try to remind myself anyway, when I have to ask for help or throw in the towel.

Last edited 3 months ago by 86-GL
Mayor McZombie
Mayor McZombie
3 months ago

Why do you still have it? At this point you are the ones who are broken, not the car

Stacheface
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Stacheface
3 months ago

Is it worth the hassle and cost to fix it? Could you be up front about the problem and mark the price down just to be rid of it?

86-GL
86-GL
3 months ago
Reply to  Stacheface

This is the move. People sell vehicles with problems all the time. There is absolutely no shame in it as long as you’re upfront with the buyer.

Edit: Maybe try not to sell it to a hardworking single mom, or anyone else who *needs* it, if you know what I mean.

Last edited 3 months ago by 86-GL
Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
3 months ago

“…first-generation Audi TT, a Volkswagen Eos, or an Audi A2…”

I’m sorry. You’re getting rid of an unreliable car to replace with something German?

Dennis Ames
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Dennis Ames
3 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Something unreliable AND expensive to fix! See? Upgrade!

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
3 months ago

I mean setting it on fire would be fun…once.

Ex-Exeo
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Ex-Exeo
3 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

The A2 might be a slight disappointment, it’s actually a quite reliable little car if you unscrew the hood often enough to give it proper maintenance.

If you depend on a constant stream of horror stories to publish, by any means get an Eos. Preferably one with the Pumpe-Düse engine.

Buzz
Buzz
3 months ago

Your diagnostic methods are sound. Uninstall the aftermarket cruise control. You know they go bad. You’re selling the car anyway, so who cares if the next owner has to hold the accelerator pedal down with their foot like a cave person?

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
3 months ago

Could it be a failing fuel pump or fuel filter getting clogged? Could try running seafoam through the fuel tank and also try seafoam spray to clean up any carbon build up.

Also yeah coil-packs and spark plugs should be a somewhat easy job to do to check if it fixes things I would say maybe do seafoam spray before doing plugs/coils.

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