Robotaxis like those being operated by companies like Waymo, Zoox, and Tesla are pretty remarkable machines, when you think about it. While they’re far from perfect, these automated vehicles do perform the fundamentals of the task of driving with a competency that was nearly impossible to imagine even a single decade ago. And yet, in many situations, they still suck. Sometimes dramatically. But even leaving the actual process of driving aside, there are still other aspects where automated vehicles are struggling, and these situations and conditions are a reminder that a taxi has never been just about a vehicle that takes you from one place to another. There are more demands on the job that a human taxi driver performs, and they’re not always obvious.
A recent Bloomberg article highlights some of these issues, which include everything from people leaving messes in cars to riders leaving without closing doors (requiring companies to, hilariously, hire DoorDash drivers to come and close the damn doors) to the perhaps not-so-surprising issue of rousing sleeping passengers from cars.
The Bloomberg article notes how common the sleeping passenger situation is by mentioning that Austin police and firefighters have a nickname for it:
So many robotaxi customers have nodded off in the midst of a ride that Austin police and firefighters even have a name for the incidents: “sleepers.” The Texas capital recorded 99 such calls in Waymo’s first nine months of service there, said Roger Patterson, a commander with Austin-Travis County Emergency Medical Services.
I’m not sure calling sleeping people “sleepers” really even qualifies as a clever nickname, though. That just feels like the first thing you’d think to call them?

All of these issues stem, of course, from the fact that the human being who once captained a cab has been replaced by a bunch of printed circuit boards and a lot of software that in no way inhibits a human passenger from behaving in ways that are, perhaps, less than fully socially acceptable.
The truth is that, like a scary narcissistic dad, we all behave quite differently in the presence of other people than we do when we are alone, or when we are in what we consider to be a private space as opposed to a public space. A rideshare car like a Waymo is in a strange, blurry space when it comes to its status as public or private. If you’re alone in a Waymo or Tesla Cybercab or Zoox, it’s not that different than if you are alone in a strange, small room somewhere, only in these cases the room isn’t yours, it’s moving through a city on public roads, and it has windows all over it.
The thing is, of course, you’re not really alone. In all of these robotaxis, you’re being monitored remotely via cameras and microphones. That’s how, if you fall asleep in a Waymo after your ride, remote assistants can attempt to wake your ass up by, I suppose, yelling at you, but if this fails to rouse you, then those remote assistants have to treat every incident of a non-responsive passenger as a medical emergency, because what the hell else can they do?
A human cab driver, of course, would be able to wake you and get you out of the car, and could (likely) determine if you needed actual medical help. Of course, humans are unpredictable, so it’s also possible an unscrupulous cabbie could just drag you out of the car and leave you by a dumpster as you struggle to breathe or whatever, so perhaps there is some advantage to a more regimented system like what automated taxi companies use.

There’s a lot more that a human presence does in a cab, too. Most people are a lot less likely to leave messes in a taxi if there’s a driver present, though wildcard messy events like vomiting can still happen, of course. Though, with a human driver, there’s a better chance you could scream PULL OVER PULL OVER I’M GONNA PUKE OH GOD I’M GONNA PUKE NO NO NO WHY HUNNGHHHULLGHHNGGH and hopefully they’d make it to the side of the road in time so you can open the door and yop, lavishly.
If you do make a mess in a robotaxi, you’ll get charged for it. Here’s Tesla’s Cybercab mess rules/charges, for example:
Why was I charged a cleaning fee?
We prioritize maintaining a clean and comfortable environment for all riders and promoting responsible rider behavior. To address incidents where vehicles require additional cleaning after a trip, we will assess the type and severity of the mess and apply the appropriate fee:
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$50: Charged for moderate messes, such as food spills, significant dirt and minor stains
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$150: Charged for severe messes, such as biowaste or smoking in the vehicle
Biowaste. Eww.
Though, I suppose it’s good to know how much it’d cost you to take a healthy, loamy dump in a Cybercab in case you wanted to work that into your budget or save up for an anniversary or birthday gift.
All of these issues stem from, of course, the fact that a taxi is really not just a vehicle. The human in the taxi does more than just drive the cab, even if those other tasks performed aren’t always obvious. Remember the incident where a couple of creepy dudes blocked a Waymo and harassed the women inside?
????Warning to women in SF ????
I love Waymo but this was scary ????
2 men stopped in front of my car and demanded that I give my number.
It left me stuck as the car was stalled in the street.
Thankfully, it only lasted a few minutes…
Ladies please be aware of this pic.twitter.com/6VEqb1WoJb
— Amina (@Amina_io) September 30, 2024
That was pretty messed up, and likely would not have happened if there was a human being driving that taxi.
None of what is happening here is a technological problem. It’s a human problem, and in that sense is a sort of mirror reflecting the bigger issues of recent technological changes and developments, especially regarding AI. All manner of technological advancements are being made, but there seems to be very little thought given to the human repercussions of these technological changes, which often have cultural impacts not planned or even considered by those pushing these new technologies.

There’s no question these self-driving cars are impressive. But they’re also not the complete solution to this problem, because like anything that involves human beings, there’s a lot of subtleties and gray areas and unpredictable aspects to it. We’re not cargo that can be neatly shipped around in a robot. We’re messy, stupid, emotional, beautiful, drippy beings, full of fluids and feelings and bad ideas and remarkable abilities to sleep anywhere. We can engineer humans out of a system, but if that system is still designed to serve humans (not in the Twilight Zone way, just the normal way), then it’s very likely there will still be a need for actual humans in the loop.
I’m sure there are cultures, ones with a more collective focus, that can likely behave like mature adults in automated taxis and refrain from filling the cars full of trash and soaking the carpets in urine and at least trying to stay awake. But I’m not so sure that’s us.









I saw one on a Phoenix expressway 3 weeks ago. Unusual looking, so it definitely stands out. It appeared someone was piloting the car. The car was smaller than I expected.
Who asked for self driving vehicles in the first place? The only people benefitting from these are the billionaires that own the service or the software. Include shady local governments and law enforcement in that group too. I support anyone who uses civil disobedience to cause trouble for these AV companies. You can include civil disobedience against camera surveillance companies as well. They will continue to tighten the noose as long as the Epstein class continues to make money. Mark my words, there will be a day when the only way to get said Epstein class people to listen is when us poors just decide to stop making payments of any kind for a month. Kind of like when Rosa Parks and the black community stopped riding the bus and boycotted their local governments and businesses. Bring the banks and Wall Street to the table when their revenue stream collapses…
Literally everyone who has ever been tired during the morning commute or had too much to drink asked for self driving cars. Of course, that technology is decades or centuries further away then Musk claims.
This current shitty ass self-driving taxis is just the public being used as a beta test for that diant future goal
I asked for better public transit.
Do autonomous cars’ sleeping passengers dream of electric sheep?
Sometimes it is just the service that sucks. Today Waymo told me that to have a vehicle pick me up, I needed to walk over a Highway 101 overpass (no pedestrian walkway) and wait by an IHOP. A few minutes after I reached the IHOP, Waymo told me it could not provide a vehicle. No reason, no apology, no humans. Just enshittification. I deleted my Waymo app. Used Lyft. It worked fine. Google sucks.
It has vomit spread within so now it gets the hose again!
It’ll want it, it’ll be pulling into the service yard yelling HOSE! Weekend Update: Baby Hippo Moo Deng on Fame – SNL – YouTube
There’s two broad facts about the world, or at least about humans in general:
As a person, if you live your life as though fact 1 is true, you’ll be mostly pleasantly surprised by people, and occasionally disappointed. As a company, if you ignore fact 2 for the sake of saving labor costs, you deserve everything you get.
Wow, you must live in a nice plate.
Here, it is about 90/10, but it is generally less in high population centers.
It’s a cookbook!
My fave twilight zone.
I love The Twilight Zone, and that episode is great, but people need to give credit where it’s due.
“To Serve Man” is a short story by Damon Knight, published in November 1950 in Galaxy Science Fiction magazine.
Many Twilight Zone episodes are from earlier scifi stories, and even though Rod Sterling got writing credits for writing the Teleplay, many stories were “inspired by” written scifi stories by other authors.
This gave me the idea to call a robotaxi just so I can dispatch my used cat litter and some Howard Hughes vintage bottles of piss to..well, who cares?
Don’t forget to first smear the cameras lenses to avoid detection and back charges. Looks like we’re the 5%.
It’s tied to your account so not sure how effective that would be.
I think these issues are not as bad as appears. Sleepers loud stereo or noises. How about a emergency button with a cover. Someone blocked the cab summon the police. Summon the police for a drunk assess a fee to the company who can assess a fee to the drunk. Let’s be honest they aren’t sleeping. Now bio waste one fee fill it up with as many can fit and leave a big surprise. Although maybe block these people from using the service. Imagine some dik summons a Uber to take a client to dinner only to receive a message your account has been blocked due to you crapping in a vehicle. Not the guy I’m hiring to manage a merger
Yes, yes, yes, no, no.
Drunk is a very subjective term. I was once treatened by a cop he would arrest me because I was gigling while holding a drink. I did not even had my first sip yet, shit was just funny.
And about the bio waste, seems like this is a case to case thing. Shit happens. The last time I had a stomach flue, I had about 3hrs of warning between first signs and projectile vomiting. By the time I was able to confront the boss man to be able to leave, and finally catching a train, 2.5 hours had passed. Add twenty minutes of train and half an hour bikeride.
You do the math.
Hmmm. Perhaps seats that can provide a mild electrical shock to rouse a sleeping passenger? Or perhaps a Star Trek style red alert klaxon?
The leaving doors open thing is interesting to me. I worked at a large auto OEM on their AV taxi program (which eventually got canned), and they were designing in an auto close function for that exact scenario. At the time, i thought it was a bit overly complicated, but i guess not…
Those things should probably have hard-surface interiors like a bathroom so they’re easy to clean.
I feel this is a mandatory time to revisit Jason’s “Diarrhea Song” article:
When you’re riding in the Robotaxi,
And the pressure in your bowels is totally Maxi,
Diarrhea, Diarrhea!
I am sure you all can do better!
When you’re riding Cybercab
And your shart smells really bad
Diarrhea, diarrhea
When you’re riding in a Waymo
And you feel a pant volcano
Diarrhea, diarrhea
If you’re in a GM Cruise
And your colon starts to ooze,
Diarrhea, diarrhea
If only there was some cinematic cultural reference addressing the human damage that can be done to a Taxi Driver by witnessing so much of humanities worst tendencies. It might even contain a quote about “a real rain” which will “wash all this scum off the streets.”
Loamy generally means crumbly so I am not sure what planet that would be an ideal poop texture.
Imagine the embarrassment of trying to throw your loamy poop at someone and it just scatters like a handful of dirt into the wind before hitting it’s target. You’d never live it down!
If our analogy of choice is soil textures I think I prefer loamy to silty, clayey or, heaven forbid, sandy.
Good drainage and poop health definitely don’t go hand in hand.
Scattered thrown scat sounds like a shotguns ballistic effect. Shotguns fire soft walled shellsthat open to scatter pellets. Goats poo is called pellets. Therefore, ‘loamy’ is greatest poo type (of all time). But if we are going for a poo-car reference, Bristol Type-3 sounds like the ideal poo and also a good british grand tourer. Good form, firm but with the power to pass comfortably.
OK, as a former cab driver I can absolutely tell you that every type of bad behavior you can think of and several that you would not think of, all happen in cabs. Drivers just make decisions about what they ignore and just
put up with.
You are right that cab drivers do kick folks out very quickly though if there is a mess involved as it is typically their responsibility to clean it up.
Wait, is that the Robotaxi!?!? I have seen it driving around Phoenix. I thought is was some low rent wrap on a Tesla, I guess I was right, but does this mean it’s unmanned?
I think some of the test fleet still has pedals and wheels installed, with a human monitor inside, where required by law, but probably most of them are unmanned at this point
Great, as if the bad human drivers werent bad enough, there’s a new brand of bad robot drivers.
Alot of people saw this coming but it’s sort of funny the companies didn’t. The random clowns standing in front of it being pests maybe less so but routing them via cones sure. I haven’t seen that video in a while I’m almost sure it’s wasn’t staged but the casting was excellent you really want to punch them both in the face. Maybe stink bomb launcher? Of course clowns like ther might think it’s oud perfume. I also question if she was sitting in the back like a regular ride share with tented windows behind a seat would the clowns see enough to start their clown act. Maybe they need to tent all the windows everyone knows it doesn’t have a human driver. The sensor array is hard to miss. Hard to argue “officer safety” when there is no one to see in the driver and often the passenger seat.
I thought the “disgusting interiors” you were going to explain were the ones that they leave the factory with.
Just install an alarm that gets progressively louder the longer it takes for a passenger to get out. When it gets to ~140db, the robotaxi can assume the passenger is unconscious and drive to a hospital.
Yeah, the sleeping passenger one seems fairly easy to automate.
Same with closing doors – minivans do it. There are sensors all over these cars, so it should be trivial do determine if someone is in the car still or not. If not, and X seconds pass, initiate the auto door close routine.
Cleaning could just be a nightly human activity like janitors cleaning an office bathroom, or triggered early if a potential passenger flags the car as having a dump on the seat.
I like to imagine the lack of automated doors was a deliberate choice, either to save on costs, or one they didn’t want to deal with yet while sorting out the rest of the system… right? lol.
I wouldn’t be suprised if auto-doors were never considered though.
I wonder if they did consider it, but decided not to risk the “Kids fingers caught in door” scenario. Imagine if they auto-closed the door, the kid finds a blind spot in the sensors and the door latches onto his hand then drives away. May be better to just have the occasional DoorDasher swing by and kick a door shut.
The have to train their AI model on all sorts of bodily noises so the car can flag itself for a cleaning
I’m pretty sure Tesla will be sued to oblivion for causing permanent hearing damage.
Ooh now I want to leave open the door on every one I see
I keep seeing Lime scooters in places that don’t make sense and I honestly wonder if people are trolling by leaving them in the most inconvenient place possible. I suppose maybe they just ran out of battery in the middle of a long road surrounded by nothing but fields, but why were they there in the first place?
Put Lime scooters in Robotaxis!
I have watched a guy pick up a Lime scooter and chuck it as hard as he could into a large bush in someone’s yard. I have also seen Lime scooters in the medians of freeways. I think there are probably some that die in unfortunate spots, but I suspect most that you see in random locations were put there intentionally out of malice for them.
A drunk friend placed a scooter real close to someone’s passenger door to fuck with them and when the equally drunk person left the bar they picked up the scooter and shot-putted it into some bushes so I imagine it is mostly drunken shenanigans.
You are probably right for a lot of them, though the guy I watched was out for a jog when he tossed it. I was sitting at a stop light and watched the guy jog up to the light, and while waiting for the crosswalk he just grabbed the scooter and threw it and then logged on when the light changed.
Oh these lime scooters are a true pest.
Coming from the train station in the morning to work, not a scooter in sight.
That same evening, train station blocked by a complete wall of scooters.
2026 Sid: Hello younger me! I’m here from the future again!
1990 Sid: Hi! First of all, love the hair! Second of all, did we get flying cars yet?
2026 Sid: No, but we did get RoboTaxis!
1990 Sid: Wow! That’s so cool! Do they have Laser guns?
2026 Sid: Well, no. And if you leave the door open they are helpless. Oh, and people keep puking in them and falling asleep. Sometimes bad people stop them and try to get your phone number.
1990 Sid: Could you maybe stop these visits?
1990 me would not be impressed with my hair as it is slowly evaporating from the back of my skull.
I liked the graphics in this article. 🙂