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The Auto Industry Is Hoping The President Doesn’t Throw Them Under The Bus In China

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President Trump is finally heading to China for his long-awaited series of trade talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping. The White House has made it clear that the automotive sector is mostly off the table at these talks. That doesn’t seem to be placating the automotive industry.

Today’s installment of The Morning Dump is all about what could happen, starting with how China’s vast car industry could interact with America’s car production. The concept of partnerships between the two countries on cars is sensitive, although Ford is soon to open its first plant with Chinese technology in the US very soon, so it’s possible.

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The concept of tariffs was that automakers would start opening up more plants in the United States, which is slowly happening. Very slowly. So far only a handful of cars have actually switched as everyone waits to see what happens with the USMCA.

While carmakers worry about the threat of Chinese technology, one automaker in the US can’t even have employees at work due to failing infrastructure. How’s that for dichotomy?

Will The President Go Wildcard?

One of the best, most chaotic characters in all of narrative history is Charlie from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. He’s a Don Quixote romantic with a Puckish charm and, likely, some of Gritty’s DNA. Charlie is also a “wildcard” as seen in the clip above. He’s willing to cut the brakes of the van he’s currently in so that he can fulfill a mission that’s usually only comprehensible to him.

It makes for great television, mostly because it creates ceaseless misfortune for everyone in his immediate universe. Whatever your politics, it’s undeniable the current President has a certain wildcard aspect to him, and carmakers seem very concerned that’s going to come into play when he’s in China this week.

Reuters has a good summation under the headline “US industry, lawmakers worried Trump will open US to Chinese autos,” that mentions President Trump is one of the few individuals with any power who seems excited about the prospect of Chinese automakers opening up plants in the US.

The White House has been explicit that cars aren’t going to be discussed, so what’s the concern?

U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer said in Detroit in April that there were no plans to change the connected car rule, and that autos were not on the agenda at the Beijing summit. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick also has ruled out Chinese investments in the U.S. autos sector.

But Scott Paul, president of the Alliance for American Manufacturing, a domestic industries group, said there is a strong concern that Trump, who often talks of attracting more auto assembly plants to the U.S., could act alone.

“He’s left wiggle room in dealing with the auto sector,” Paul said.

Any plant approved would take two-to-three years to launch production, leaving consequences to Trump’s successor.

The US might not be have all the cards as it approaches the talks. Some in China view the US as an empire in decline, as the New York Times reports:

In January, a nationalistic Beijing think tank affiliated with Renmin University published a triumphant report about Mr. Trump’s first year back in office. The report argued that his tariffs, attacks on allies, anti-immigration policies and assaults on the American political establishment had inadvertently strengthened China while weakening the United States. Its title: “Thank Trump.”

That report comes with its own agenda, but it’s true that China has become less reliant on US exports and has used the trade war to expand elsewhere, as Nikkei Asia points out:

In the first four months of this year, the U.S. accounted for just 10% of China’s total exports, according to Chinese customs data. That is down from 18.4% in 2016, before Trump ramped up tariffs against China during his first term.

“The reality is China is no longer exporting to the U.S. directly because it has built up supply chains in other countries,” said Raymond Yeung, chief economist for greater China at ANZ. “For China, the overall U.S. trade policy against the world matters more than direct tariffs. If the U.S. imposes tariffs on Vietnam, Indonesia or India, it may indirectly impact China.”

Of course, the other side of this is that some people want Chinese cars here, and there’s been a concerted effort by Chinese brands to court American buyers. Could a president in search of a win sell out an entire sector? That’s the concern of the week.

Right now, the only Chinese-owned and automotive-adjacent factory is a small facility in California building BYD buses, although another one is almost done…

Ford’s Plant With Chinese Tech Is Ready To Open

Ford Catl Marshall Plant Factory Battery
Source: Ford

The BlueOval Battery Park Michigan in the small town of Marshall is finally ready to start making batteries after years of drama. What was the issue? The plant, though not owned by a Chinese company, will use battery technology sourced from one. Specifically, the plant will use LFP chemistry licensed from CATL, the largest battery company in the world.

Just so you don’t think that President Trump is the only person willing to make an industrial deal with a Chinese firm, this project has its roots in the Biden Era plan to create green jobs and lessen our dependence on oil which, given that gas prices have been so low for so long, seems silly.

I’m kidding. Gas is expensive AF.

As Bloomberg explains, the whole concept of this was both necessary and designed to not freak people out:

Ford’s venture with CATL is structured to allay concerns. The US carmaker owns the plant, land and equipment and hires the workers. CATL, which holds no equity, offers lithium iron phosphate battery chemistry under a licensing agreement, and dispatches Chinese engineers to train Ford employees. It’s an arrangement with echoes of the deal that allowed Chinese social media app TikTok to remain operational in America, after ByteDance Ltd. agreed to license its prized algorithm to a new US-based entity.

Both sides have reason to like this setup. Use of CATL batteries by US automakers could help them become the industry standard, and boost market share. TikTok’s technology was seen as carrying security risks, but CATL’s CEO Robin Zeng has joked his battery cells are “dumb as bricks” — i.e. no use for espionage or any other unintended purpose.

Those batteries will be used, at least partially, to supply energy to the new $30,000 electric Ford truck. The rest are planned to be used for the company’s new energy storage business that’s been organized under the name Ford Energy.

While there are other companies with LFP patents, a Ford exec told reporters it would have taken a decade to catch up without the CATL tech.

Everyone Is Concerned About The USMCA

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2002 Ford Mustang (Mexico)

Once automakers have an answer on what’s going to happen with China, they can move back to the more immediate threat of what’s going to happen to the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), created by President Trump in his first term, that underpins a huge amount of cross-border trade.

For all the pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth about the tariffs, most homegrown American automakers have been able to get by okay because the USMCA is still in place. It’s under review and it’s making people nervous.

It’s fairly clear at this point that President Trump would prefer every car sold in America is built in America, but so far only five models can be said to have been switched because of tariffs, and those changes are still in progress.

More so than just cars, the supply chains are also important, and all this uncertainty is hard for everyone.

Per Automotive News:

Car manufacturers plan production five to seven years in advance, making it extremely difficult or even impossible for them to move quickly, said Jennifer Safavian, CEO of Autos Drive America, which represents foreign automakers in the U.S. And automotive supply chains are extremely complex, further complicating efforts to move production, she said.

“It’s hard for them to upend whatever plans they have,” Safavian said. “That’s why more certainty is important for the auto industry.”

[…]

“There are certain supply chains that have been built up over years and years that may not make sense [to have in the U.S.], which is why we have an agreement like USMCA,” said Collin Shaw, president of MEMA Original Equipment Suppliers, which represents U.S. suppliers.

What happens with the USMCA is anyone’s guess at this point.

Stellantis Employees Have To Work At Home Due To Water Main Break

A Building Wrap Of The All New, All Electric 2024 Jeep® Wagoneer S Launch Edition, Measuring Over 15,000 Square Feet And 10 Floors, Appears On The Tower At Stellantis North America Headquarters In Auburn Hills, Michigan.
Source: Stellantis

Not helping with the whole “America is an empire in decline” narrative is the fact that the North American HQ of Stellantis can’t host employees because of a massive water main break in Orion Township that’s screwing with the water supply.

Being able to work at the HQ is an ongoing issue, as the Detroit Free Press reports:

The water main break is the latest hurdle for automaker employees working from the North American home office.

Stellantis ordered white collar employees in January to return to work five days a week after years of work from home policies stemming from the coronavirus pandemic period.

But since that period began at the end of March, employees have complained about parking citations as well as mysterious illnesses stemming from the older building.

Oof.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I had a dream last night about the upcoming Member’s Only track day at Lime Rock Park. Basically, I forgot to tell catering how many people were showing up and so all of a sudden I had to beg them to make a lot of sandwiches. As we were driving around in some sort of van (VW Transporter?), Nick told me not to worry and put in a tape of Bachman-Turner Overdrive. I don’t remember the song, but let’s assume it “You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet.”

The Big Question

Would you buy an American-built, Chinese-branded car?

Top photo: BYD

 

 

 

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Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
28 days ago

“Ford’s Plant With Chinese Tech…”
What everyone fails to remember is that LFP tech was developed via research at University of Austin – but the US Government and US firms failed to step up.

So the Chinese bought the rights – and here we are.

“Will The President Go Wildcard?”
How much money will he get from China to do so?
Because that’s all that matters to the Grifter-in-Chief.

Tbird
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Tbird
28 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

A statue would be nice. Or a tall building/bridge/airport with his name on it.

DONALD FOLEY
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DONALD FOLEY
27 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

In China.

Tbird
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Tbird
27 days ago
Reply to  DONALD FOLEY

Honestly don’t think he GAF. Just so long as his name is on it in big gold letters.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
28 days ago

I tend to appreciate Chinese stuff / ideas / cultural bits but I have yet to see a Chinese car that appeals to my tastes. I lean vintage, rugged / off road, and the less tech the better. I was close to getting into debt over a Rivian love affair but the motorized vents snapped me out of the haze.

I think the lack of history / car culture is still an issue with their designs and that reflects in the choices they make. Not to say it won’t change, but for now, nothing appeals to me. I sat in a couple Tank suvs, a cute wuling and the weird Dongfeng Hero and they all seemed off.

I am still shocked that as a huge country they still do not allow vintage cars to be registered. It used to be an 8-yr limit which is being relaxed now but that tells you that car culture still has a way to go.

Last edited 28 days ago by Horizontally Opposed
Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
28 days ago

?! Not doubting you but this is the first time I’ve heard of an 8 year limit as far as registrations. That would totally change how durable, maintainable, repairable, reliable, etc. I make the bones of the car and focus more on aesthetics and touch points people directly interact with. (I guess this is what happened to German cars about 2 decades ago?)

DONALD FOLEY
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DONALD FOLEY
27 days ago

I’ve read that while there have been age restriction for commercial vehicles’ (trucks and buses), there aren’t any for private cars as long as they pass annual inspections and meet local emissions standards.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
27 days ago

Quick googling tells me I was wrong: it used to be 13 years for passenger cars, but was scrapped in 2013. That I think was a wise move to encourage consumption. There is an 8-yr rule in place for taxis (again makes sense) and some other cutoffs for commercial vehicles.

JVDS
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JVDS
28 days ago

If said American built Chinese car was the equivalent of a road going electric golf cart technology wise then sure. I’m not at all interested in the connected technology barges they’re pumping out for the Chinese consumer.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
28 days ago

That banner, lol. That seems like an awful lot of money and effort to effectively make fun of yourself.

As for Chinese cars, more than likely I’d stay away. So far I haven’t seen a single Chinese branded car that hasn’t looked exceptionally generic, or residing in and uncomfortable uncanny valley. I don’t subscribe to the idea that they’re necessarily shitty cars, but I also don’t really see the value in cheaping out too much on my only method of transportation. Like, am I really going to be happy to save 3k on a run of the mill transpo-pod Wexley Blululu or whatever, to have it potentially be a disaster, all while the CCP laughs at me when I try to make a warranty claim?

Now, if a Chinese brand opted to bring totally unique vehicles that other brands have abandoned here (wagons, vans, coupes, other fun things) I’d probably sniff around at least. But if they come over just to try to sell me a cheaper RAV4, I’m going to politely decline.

M SV
M SV
28 days ago

If the price and specs are right and I like it then sure Chinese car built in US or China. It’s not all that different then buying a Japanese car in the 70s. There are some that would amount it to the Canadian ladas. But Chinese cars aren’t that bad anymore they have made massive strides. It’s not like buying a yugo either. It’s probable China will throw out their dictatorship or a upcoming leader will throw in the towel in the semi near future. The signs have been there for some time and keep heading that way.

We have spent more money on AI then the Manhattan project and Apollo combined. The only real good I see coming out of it is new nuke powerplants. And maybe large fabless semi conductor companies realizing there are other fabs besides TSMC. We are sort of in the throws of an ai cold war. But so weapons are making their way to the battle field so I guess there is that.

Space
Space
27 days ago
Reply to  M SV

New nuclear power plants? Now that is exciting!

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
28 days ago

“Will The President Go Wildcard?”

Given he’s a habitual liar and who likes to throw friends under the bus, I ASSUME he’s gonna go Wildcard.

“Would you buy an American-built, Chinese-branded car?”

I’m more inclined to buy a Chinese-built, Chinese-branded car.

I may change my mind if Trump apologizes to all of Canada for saying “Canada has nothing America needs”… to which my response is “Okay… so I guess you don’t need my money”. Not gonna hold my breath for that.

But having said that, I will make some exceptions… such as my Autopian membership.

Last edited 28 days ago by Manwich Sandwich
MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
28 days ago

Just remember, only 49.8% of American voters actually voted for Chairman Cheeto. Stupid electoral college. Worst. College. Ever.

The remaining 50.2% of us love maple syrup, John Candy, and Rush.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
28 days ago

Yup… I’m fully aware of that. I’m looking forward to the day that the Maga thing dies the same way McCarthyism died in the past.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
28 days ago

I’ll throw in the Ryans too: gosling and reynold. Or reynolds, I guess there are multiple?

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
28 days ago

*bobs head in 5/4 in agreement on Rush*

I’m trying
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I’m trying
28 days ago

I would totally buy one of these bj2022 Cherokee clones. If they came over. 4g63 and 6speed manual ftw.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-jeep-cherokee-xj-lives-on-as-a-pickup-with-a-mitsubishi-4g63t-in-china

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
27 days ago
Reply to  I’m trying

Oh HELLL yeah.

Protodite
Protodite
28 days ago

I feel like that graphic on the Stellantis building could also read:

THEY’VE
ONLY SOLD
WAGONEER S

Last edited 28 days ago by Protodite
Theotherotter
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Theotherotter
28 days ago

The “on the one hand, on the other hand” tone that you try so, so studiously to stick to when talking about the pack of baboons that runs the federal government is kind of fascinating.

William Domer
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William Domer
28 days ago
Reply to  Theotherotter

It is so very difficult to attempt to suggest that the baboons can be rational, but he tries and as my kids say “we love that for you”.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
28 days ago
Reply to  William Domer

I take issue with this whole associating with baboons. They’re lovely creatures.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
28 days ago
Reply to  Theotherotter

That’s impartial journalism for you. We see it all the time: we extend politeness and decorum and they spit on our shoes. Quite the asymmetry dahhling.

Space
Space
27 days ago

I rarely see impartial journalism, this website and maybe a small handful of other websites. Everything else seems to have devolved into activism and I’m sick of it.

05LGT
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05LGT
28 days ago

TBQ:
Neither of those factors will play a large roll in my future automobile purchasing decisions.

Library of Context
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Library of Context
28 days ago

Would Trump the wildcard cut the brake lines on a car he was riding in? No. That’s physical labor – something only poor people do.

Would Trump the wildcard order someone else to cut the brake lines on a car he was riding in? Yes, if you told him Obama was against it and he’d be seen as brilliant if he did it.

That man can so easily be baited or flattered into doing something.

Bags
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Bags
28 days ago

“Trump skips military funeral to attend inaugural brake cutting award ceremony, where he is being honored”

Timbales
Timbales
28 days ago

TBQ: Depends. If it has piano black interior trim, absolutely not.

"Redneck" Mark
"Redneck" Mark
28 days ago

No doubt Trump will come home bragging about how smart the Chinese think he is and how his policies have them backed into a corner and this thing, that thing and some other thing happened like no one has ever seen before (because of his own greatness, of course) while the rest of the world points, laughs and rolls their eyes at how he doesn’t even realize it was a big win for China to our great humiliation.

Last edited 28 days ago by "Redneck" Mark
Parsko
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Parsko
28 days ago

Our countries management decisions has me seriously contemplating getting behind another countries’ management decisions at this point. Thoughts I never could have ever imagined myself typing out in a public forum.

Suss6052
Suss6052
28 days ago

https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/hometown/ Swedish trojan horse building Chinese cars in the USA already in a roundabout way due to platform sharing with the Volvos

Dan1101
Dan1101
28 days ago

trump does two main things. Either comes in stubborn and demanding and completely fouls things up, or he has a good time and comes out with a very slightly (and probably temporarily) expanded world view, like his meeting with NYC mayor-elect Mamdani.

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
28 days ago

Why is everyone so worried about what Trump is going to give away to China? The checks and balances of Congress and the Supreme Court will keep us on track.

Peter Spinale
Peter Spinale
28 days ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

“Keep that sense of humor; it’s critical”

Who Knows
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Who Knows
28 days ago

So Stellantis’s water broke? I wonder what kind of strange creature will crawl out in the next couple days, maybe a new, odd brand? Who is the father?

Scott
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Scott
28 days ago
Reply to  Who Knows

I hope it’ll be a weird/dysfunctional semi-twin to their DS brand. But really weird like when Stewie and Brian make clones, etc… Not that I want parts of the car to spontaneously fall off of course.

Last edited 28 days ago by Scott
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
27 days ago
Reply to  Who Knows

All I can think of now is Kuato, the alien baby from Total Recall

Sackofcheese
Sackofcheese
28 days ago

TBQ: No, there is not a single product currently being made by a Chinese OEM that is anything I would want to buy. Same goes for a lot of OEMs though. Not enough small hot hatchbacks with a stick left. The other side of my brain wants a truck, and no one does that better than the Americans. (Nissan Titan and Tundra included since they were designed, developed, and built here.)

Scott
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Scott
28 days ago
Reply to  Sackofcheese

The Mazda 3 hatchback is the only one I can think of atm that’s available with a stick, though there must be others, right? Mazda is still making it, and the newest version has the auto stop/start deleted at the cost of 5hp. Not sure why doing that (deleting the stop/start, which I approve of) costs 5hp, but nobody seems to mind from the early reviews on Youtube.

What are the other manual hatchbacks still available in the US?

Sackofcheese
Sackofcheese
28 days ago
Reply to  Scott

For MY26 all else that is left is Civic Type R, Integra and Integra Type S, GR Corolla. I currently own an FK8 CTR, have owned a 6MT Mazda 3 Hatch, Civic Si (Same mechanically as the teggy) and have a GR Corolla on order.

Scott
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Scott
28 days ago
Reply to  Sackofcheese

I didn’t know you could get a regular (not Type S) Integra with a manual… that’d be the closest in price to the Mazda 3 MT hatch I suppose. Thanks for the info Mr. Cheese. 🙂

PS: I’m jealous btw… it must be awful nice to be able to look forward to having your own GR Corolla. 😉

Sackofcheese
Sackofcheese
28 days ago
Reply to  Scott

I’m excited, I have been excited for it since Toyota announced they were coming here with a variant of the GR Yaris. The cards finally fell into place for me to get one.

I’m trying
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I’m trying
28 days ago
Reply to  Scott

Didn’t know about Mazda getting rid of stop start. Anyone know what has to be vin coded on the 3s? Batteries? Touch screen? Injectors? Anything stupid like that?

I might have to retire the matrix now that they are the only game in town.

Scott
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Scott
28 days ago
Reply to  I’m trying

I only know of it (the deletion of stop/start) on the new/current manual 3 hatch… it may be on some other new Mazdas as well, but I’m not sure. During the supply chain crisis/pandemic, about a year’s worth of various Mazdas also had the stop/start missing due to an absent component from a supplier I think. I don’t recall the exact models/years/vins but there’s info on it online in case you were looking at a recent/used Mazda.

I also don’t know (sorry) about vin coding on Mazdas, if any. They’ve been using/evolving the current 2.5L NA/Turbo engine in so many models for so many years… it’s proven record and (relative to other engines) simplicity is one of the reasons I like it and Mazda (I’m less thrilled/interested in their other/newer engine(s) like the inline six, the hybrid from Toyota in the CX-50, and their upcoming in-house hybrid).

I’d like to think they kept vin coding to a minimum, but don’t know for sure. If you find something out, I’m sure there are others who’d like to know too. 🙂

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
28 days ago
Reply to  Sackofcheese

I’d argue that the Hilux has beaten the US at the truck game for decades.

There’s a reason the chicken tax happened, and it wasn’t cause the import trucks were worse.

Sackofcheese
Sackofcheese
28 days ago

Except it hasn’t, so much so that Toyota sells a ton of the Americanized Hilux here aka the Taco Truck. It’s the best seller in its class by a longshot yet, doesn’t hold a candle to the big three’s half ton sales.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
28 days ago
Reply to  Sackofcheese

Yeah, cause the market has been set up to favour them. Doesn’t make them the best. It makes them the most convenient

Drew
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Drew
28 days ago

Would you buy an American-built, Chinese-branded car?

Why not? Good chance a bunch of the electronics in an American-branded car are Chinese anyway. Branding isn’t even on the list of my priorities.

Horsew/Noname
Horsew/Noname
28 days ago

Since we don’t like mandates, I’m happy to consider whatever it is America is building or making, but please note that my use case pretty much eliminates a full size truck or SUV.

Space
Space
27 days ago
Reply to  Horsew/Noname

Would you be interested in a full size Chevy Express Van?

RAMbunctious
RAMbunctious
28 days ago

Would you buy an American-built, Chinese-branded car?

I’ll buy the vehicle that fits my needs and budget, I don’t really care who makes it or where. Sorry, not sorry.

RE China:

Guaranteed they give him some sort of gold-plated trinket and he gives the farm away. Xi is going to play him like a fiddle. He thinks he’s strong, but Xi knows how weak he is. Remember how quickly he caved on the tariffs when Xi threatened to cut off rare earth minerals? And was before we started another losing war in the middle east.

Aaronaut
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Aaronaut
28 days ago
Reply to  RAMbunctious

90 deals Almost maybe 2 deals in 90 days!

Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
28 days ago
Reply to  RAMbunctious

Guaranteed they give him some sort of gold-plated trinket and he gives the farm away.

Xi promises to replace Chairman Mao’s picture on the wall to the Forbidden City with Trump and y’all will be driving Xpengs and Ora Funky Cats next year. Bigly.

DONALD FOLEY
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DONALD FOLEY
27 days ago
Reply to  RAMbunctious

Did you see that King Charles presented President Trump with the (golden) bell from WW2 submarine HMS Trump, inscribed with the name? “And should you ever need to get hold of us, just give us a ring.”

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
28 days ago

It’s all perplexing. On the front end, the Trump administration very publicly attacked and set back electric vehicles and clean, renewable energy in the US. It’s almost as they’re giving breathing room to a few dinosaur (donations…bribes?) industries before the inevitable occurs. What is that inevitable? Here’s the back end of the situation:

The Trump administration bought into several rare earth companies, you know, the ones necessary for electric motors and wind turbines. Here’s one such deal, there are many:

https://fortune.com/2026/01/26/trump-admin-buys-stake-usa-rare-earth-wave-deals-critical-minerals/

Remember lithium, that material we need for EV batteries and utility storage of renewables? The administration is making deals on securing that as well, here’s one such deal.

https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/power/trump-moves-toward-deal-to-give-us-an-equity-stake-in-company-developing-nevada-lithium-mine/124174770

It seems they know the future, but in the meantime, they’re protecting the revenue of some really big players.

M SV
M SV
28 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

The more you look the more perplexing it gets. The first time was like that too. You start to wonder if it’s happy accidents, irony, or someone somewhere knows what they are doing. Maybe a combination.

Space
Space
27 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

The crazy thing is the US has deposits and reserves of every rare earth mineral needed for batteries but we are too weak willed to mine and process them.

I kid you not the northern Nevada lithium mine has been caught up in regulatory and enviromental legal battles for 10 years. No wonder China leapt ahead in rare earth production, if the CCP wants land it’s cleared practically overnight.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
28 days ago

Would you buy an American-built, Chinese-branded car?

Absolutely not! I will, however, happily by a Mexican or Canadian built – Detroit branded pickup.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
28 days ago

The US automakers are totally going to find themselves under that BYD electric bus in the topshot. Elect a dementia addled narcissistic buffoon and expect self serving incompetence all the way down. We had a chance for competent leadership but enough people hated the skin that leadership came wrapped in.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
28 days ago

And the plumbing. Eye roll. Face palm.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
28 days ago

Which one, Biden or Harris?

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
28 days ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

The current goose stepper and racist in office. You really needed us to tell you?

Pupmeow
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Pupmeow
28 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

Tbh I don’t think Trump has the strength or dexterity to goose step.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
28 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

He certainly did back in the days of the Central Park 5.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
28 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

Not that. Which person are they referencing for the ‘We had a chance for competent leadership’ part..

Space
Space
27 days ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

We had a chance during the democratic primary in 2020 with someone like Andrew Yang.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
27 days ago
Reply to  Space

Good point, he seemed solid. I liked his slogan “Not left, not right, forward” He didn’t suffer from severe TDS like some of the other candidates, and a lot of the commentariat here.

Rich Mason
Rich Mason
27 days ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

No TDS here dude.

Just calling an asshole an asshole, nothing more.

Space
Space
26 days ago
Reply to  Rich Mason

We can call someone all the names we want but we will be better off with candidates that have real ideas come 2028. Just calling the other guy bad fixes nothing.

Rich Mason
Rich Mason
26 days ago
Reply to  Space

Just telling the truth here…
Nothing more, nothing less.
Sorry if you are offended, but this is where we are.
Again.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
28 days ago

We had a chance for competent leadership but enough people hated the skin that leadership came wrapped in.

I also think gender also played a role. Both times the orange clown was elected, his competition was female. Sad to think that would make a difference in today’s day & age, since other countries have shown that presidents can be any gender.

CivoLee
CivoLee
28 days ago

Obligatory “Hilary only lost because of the Electoral College” post.

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